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Plainfield Mom

Joliet, IL

These people run the biggest Ponzi scheme ever and have already proven that they cannot run Medicare, Medicade, Social Security, the post office, etc., so I'm sorry, but no way, no how am I putting my families health in their hands. Anybody who supports this is crazy, receiving some sort of kickback or both.

Vidiotic

Plainfield, IL

Allowing insurance companies and drug companies to dictate who lives and dies is unacceptable. Remember people, WE are the government. We are the USA. Get involved, help yourself while helping keep the greatest country in the world great! The only people really against health care reform are corporate executives. Think for yourself and support the change that has been long overdue. Corporate America has thrown everything they can against the change that will truly help our country, don't be fooled by rich people trying to keep you in debt! Support health care reform!

Vidiotic

Plainfield, IL

andy

Shorewood, IL

oh yea we are going to let the same government officals run health care, who cant get enough of the vaccine for the Mexican flu aka H1N1, cannot run the post office effiecently, screwed up the cash for clunkers program, plus is so full of corruption and waste..hell no..

andy

Shorewood, IL

sorry.. it was obama fault.. if he didnt try to take over the health care industry.. i wouldnt have problems with topix.

john

Plainfield, IL

yeah right we are going let chicago politians run our health care

Farmer Joe

Crystal Lake, IL

Just look at the record of the Fed Govt. Post Office, Swine Flu, Katrina, Social Security balances, Medicare doctor reimbursement, recent 'stimulas' packages, yada yada .....

Farmer Joe

Crystal Lake, IL

This is so typical of the 'government'. The Health syatem runs fairly well and provides great service to the vast majority. It DOES fail to adequately serve ALL the people. Some,(perhaps the young and healthy)don't seek insurance, some insurers practice poor policies and the government restricts competition across state lines because states insert all kinds of regulations. Let's fix the problems!!! But don't create a system that's unaffordable, dominated by the government who make polict and decisions on whim. Maybe the new legislation should have a 'trigger' point that if it exceeds the costs they claim today, or causes ME to loose my good insurance coverage then the legislation is void and anyone that voted for it is out of office.

Larry L

Plainfield, IL

The Federal Government has not been able to prove that it can run a large nationwide organization let alone something as complicated as Healthcare. If you are for Obama's healthcare I suggest you read George Orwell's 1984.

plainfield observer

Crystal Lake, IL

The Obama group is great at campaigns. They fail as leaders and producers. It's a shame our kids will be paying for Obama's vanity.

ConcernedParent

Chicago, IL

Agree

Vidiotic

Plainfield, IL

Judged:

Did any of you read my post? WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT! The United States Government isn't some faceless entity. We make the choices. I want a major change in health care, because the corporate interests are after profits ONLY! The American people can run this better than drug and insurance companies. Listen to yourselves! You're puppets playing into the greedy hands of a political party that's paid off by lobbyists from the current health care industry. Don't be sheep, stand up for yourselves and call your representatives and demand a public option and a complete overhaul of our system of medicine for only the rich!

Larry L

Plainfield, IL

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Vidiotic wrote:

Did any of you read my post? WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT! The United States Government isn't some faceless entity. We make the choices. I want a major change in health care, because the corporate interests are after profits ONLY! The American people can run this better than drug and insurance companies. Listen to yourselves! You're puppets playing into the greedy hands of a political party that's paid off by lobbyists from the current health care industry. Don't be sheep, stand up for yourselves and call your representatives and demand a public option and a complete overhaul of our system of medicine for only the rich!

Who exactly in the public government is qualified to 'overhaul' the healthcare industry? The great minds behind the TSA? Or the people managing the VA that refuse advanced prosthetic limbs for war veterans in favor of hooks? There are not many people on the entire planet with the knowledge and organizational capability to lead that kind of undertaking. Selecting an bunch of over-educated ex-professors, lawyers and civil rights activists is not going to be the answer. Do you think physicians will settle for earning $100K per year? I don't. Do you think R.N.'s will settle for $50K per year? I don't. Healthcare, and especially hospitals are costly enterprises. If you are happy to do without CT Scans and MRI's in favor of X-Rays and exploratory surgery then we can reduce the overall cost of healthcare. Let's stop buying advanced equipment.

Here is a case in point - let's say someone is diagnosed with intestinal cancer. The least costly option is a short program of chemotherapy, remove the intestines and wait and see if you got the cancer. If not, off to hospice (like 1984 take a Soma pill and relax it will be over quickly). Humana tried that to reduce costs in the 90's. The above treatment regimen would cost $50K, that means they could save over $200,000 per patient with the above treatment regimen. They were sued and thankfully lost.

If the government is going to provide healthcare for $30M more people for free, who is going to pay for it? Where are the general practitioners going to come from? India? China?

In return for going through the schooling, the intense residency and being willing to cut open human beings Physicians and all other care givers expect to be well paid.

Jimmy

Plainfield, IL

Vidiotic wrote:

Did any of you read my post? WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT! The United States Government isn't some faceless entity. We make the choices. I want a major change in health care, because the corporate interests are after profits ONLY! The American people can run this better than drug and insurance companies. Listen to yourselves! You're puppets playing into the greedy hands of a political party that's paid off by lobbyists from the current health care industry. Don't be sheep, stand up for yourselves and call your representatives and demand a public option and a complete overhaul of our system of medicine for only the rich!

LOL at the clueless!

Vidiotic

Plainfield, IL

Larry L wrote:

<quoted text>Who exactly in the public government is qualified to 'overhaul' the healthcare industry? The great minds behind the TSA? Or the people managing the VA that refuse advanced prosthetic limbs for war veterans in favor of hooks? There are not many people on the entire planet with the knowledge and organizational capability to lead that kind of undertaking. Selecting an bunch of over-educated ex-professors, lawyers and civil rights activists is not going to be the answer. Do you think physicians will settle for earning $100K per year? I don't. Do you think R.N.'s will settle for $50K per year? I don't. Healthcare, and especially hospitals are costly enterprises. If you are happy to do without CT Scans and MRI's in favor of X-Rays and exploratory surgery then we can reduce the overall cost of healthcare. Let's stop buying advanced equipment.
Here is a case in point - let's say someone is diagnosed with intestinal cancer. The least costly option is a short program of chemotherapy, remove the intestines and wait and see if you got the cancer. If not, off to hospice (like 1984 take a Soma pill and relax it will be over quickly). Humana tried that to reduce costs in the 90's. The above treatment regimen would cost $50K, that means they could save over $200,000 per patient with the above treatment regimen. They were sued and thankfully lost.
If the government is going to provide healthcare for $30M more people for free, who is going to pay for it? Where are the general practitioners going to come from? India? China?
In return for going through the schooling, the intense residency and being willing to cut open human beings Physicians and all other care givers expect to be well paid.

So, in your estimation, health care in the US is fine? Are you a doctor? Do you own stock in a drug or insurance company? Nobody said this overhaul will be easy, but it's necessary. Once society begins to look at medicine as a non-profit business for the rich to get richer, we'll be on the right step. I believe in TRUE capitalism, not greed. The health care industry is where the railroads were in the 1890's. It's time to change the way they do business, and yes, I trust my government more than I do international conglomerates that see sick people as money waiting to be made.
Nothing is perfect, but we can't stay with a failed system due to warnings from the executives that will be most affected by the people getting proper, safe, affordable, care. You're a fool if you think that Pfizer, Merck, Aetna, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Humana, and other billion dollar companies, care about how affordable, or well managed you and your family's medical care is.

Also, how does one become "over-educated"? That's pretty much where you lost me.

Second Amendment

Oak Lawn, IL

Does our the health care system need an overhaul? YES!

Should the overhaul include a public option?
NO!

Should the Federal Government have their grimy paws involve in it?
HELL NO!

Vidiotic

Plainfield, IL

Second Amendment wrote:

Does our the health care system need an overhaul? YES!
Should the overhaul include a public option?
NO!
Should the Federal Government have their grimy paws involve in it?
HELL NO!

So... we should let the people who need regulating decide what we can regulate? That plan really worked for the banking industry.

Second Amendment

Oak Lawn, IL

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Vidiotic wrote:

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So... we should let the people who need regulating decide what we can regulate? That plan really worked for the banking industry.

You're right VID.
Since the government does such a great job.
We should let want to run health care, the car industry, banking, and everything else.

For example, housing projects run by the gov deteriorate rapidly, but once they are turned over to private ownership, the conditions dramatically improve in short periods of time. Some cities have switched ambulance services from gov funded, to private funded. Cost has decreased, and service/quality has increased. And another example is the FAA, when Canada switched to private companies to monitor they skies, flight traffic and delays were reduced significantly.

Second Amendment

Oak Lawn, IL

VID,

Here's a thought.

Let's outlaw ambulance chasing lawyers.
Put an end to legal chicanery, frivolous lawsuits and hair-splitting legalism that drives up the cost.

But in a legitimate case of gross neglect, then the doctor should be punished.

What say you?

Vidiotic

Plainfield, IL

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Second Amendment wrote:

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You're right VID.
Since the government does such a great job.
We should let want to run health care, the car industry, banking, and everything else.
For example, housing projects run by the gov deteriorate rapidly, but once they are turned over to private ownership, the conditions dramatically improve in short periods of time. Some cities have switched ambulance services from gov funded, to private funded. Cost has decreased, and service/quality has increased. And another example is the FAA, when Canada switched to private companies to monitor they skies, flight traffic and delays were reduced significantly.

If you think ANY plan I'm suggesting isn't going to need modification down the road, you're misunderstanding me. Housing projects were a bad plan to begin with due to the racially motivated plan to keep "them" all in one area. Throwing everyone into the streets hasn't worked out at either. We have homelessness in Americas smallest towns and cities reminiscent of the 1930's.
In many cases privatization may be what is needed, but to simply assume a government run program isn't a good one is simple-minded (how well is Chicago's selling off it's parking working out?).
Greed has had it's chance. and failed miserably, it's time to look to ourselves and our leaders to fix health care. We are the "public" in the public option. I'd gladly pay more for a healthier workforce free from the worry of even the most basic medical care.

BTW (almost) everyone here, your responses are lucid and engaging. Thanks for the reasonable exchange of ideas. It's the true hallmark of democracy.

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