Health Care Debate - Massapequa Park, NY

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Mar 17, 2010
 
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Mar 17, 2010
 
PuffinLady wrote:
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Read your website - it proves nothing. No facts are given and it is written as purely opinion-more myths.
I read the ENTIRE Proposed Health Bill and my view stands.
Here's a good NON-PARTISAN link that contains other links:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl857
Another quote for you .They are numerous.
Heres a quote.there are plenty."Regressive and Unaffordable
Marcia Angell is a senior lecturer in social medicine at Harvard Medical School and former editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine.

There would be no need for an individual mandate in a single-payer system, since everyone would be covered automatically and it would be paid for through their income and payroll taxes. So asking me, a supporter of a single-payer health system, about mandates is a little like asking someone whether heís stopped beating his wife.

Only a single-payer system would stop the private insurance industry from holding us hostage.
But even within our current system, Iím troubled by the notion of an individual mandate. I live in Massachusetts, where we have one. It requires people to buy private insurance at whatever price the companies choose to charge. AS MIGHT BE EXPECTED, this is a WINDFALL for theINSURANCE industry. Premiums are rising much faster than income, benefit packages are getting skimpier, and deductibles and co-payments are going up.

Many people canít afford the premiums for the best plans, and so have to choose bare-bones, low-premium plans with high deductibles and co-payments. They are then left with insurance that THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO USE, but HAVE to purchase anyway.

A mandate is also extremely regressive. In Massachusetts, mandated insurance and co-payments can amount to nearly a third of income. Income taxes apportion the costs of public services more fairly, and I see no reason not to adopt that approach in paying for health care. To be sure, President Obama has said he would exempt people from the mandate who couldnít afford to purchase their own health insurance. But arenít these precisely the people most in need of it? Massachusetts has exempted 62,000 people from the mandate for that reason.

I would hope the President and Congress would come up with something less regressive and truly universal, and stop holding the rest of us HOSTAGE to the private insurance industry.

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Mar 21, 2010
 
PuffinLady wrote:
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Read your website - it proves nothing. No facts are given and it is written as purely opinion-more myths.
I read the ENTIRE Proposed Health Bill and my view stands.
Here's a good NON-PARTISAN link that contains other links:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl857
try this one blog.hcfama.org
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Mar 21, 2010
 
veritas wrote:
<quoted text>Another quote for you .They are numerous.
Heres a quote.there are plenty."Regressive and Unaffordable
Marcia Angell is a senior lecturer in social medicine at Harvard Medical School and former editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine.
There would be no need for an individual mandate in a single-payer system, since everyone would be covered automatically and it would be paid for through their income and payroll taxes. So asking me, a supporter of a single-payer health system, about mandates is a little like asking someone whether heís stopped beating his wife.
Only a single-payer system would stop the private insurance industry from holding us hostage.
But even within our current system, Iím troubled by the notion of an individual mandate. I live in Massachusetts, where we have one. It requires people to buy private insurance at whatever price the companies choose to charge. AS MIGHT BE EXPECTED, this is a WINDFALL for theINSURANCE industry. Premiums are rising much faster than income, benefit packages are getting skimpier, and deductibles and co-payments are going up.
Many people canít afford the premiums for the best plans, and so have to choose bare-bones, low-premium plans with high deductibles and co-payments. They are then left with insurance that THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO USE, but HAVE to purchase anyway.
A mandate is also extremely regressive. In Massachusetts, mandated insurance and co-payments can amount to nearly a third of income. Income taxes apportion the costs of public services more fairly, and I see no reason not to adopt that approach in paying for health care. To be sure, President Obama has said he would exempt people from the mandate who couldnít afford to purchase their own health insurance. But arenít these precisely the people most in need of it? Massachusetts has exempted 62,000 people from the mandate for that reason.
I would hope the President and Congress would come up with something less regressive and truly universal, and stop holding the rest of us HOSTAGE to the private insurance industry.
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where can i fact check this at? go to blog.hcfama.org and get some fact.
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Mar 21, 2010
 
veritas wrote:
<quoted text>debunking your debunking.
http://www.patientpowernow.org/2009/10/05/mas...
what about wonkroom.thinkprogress.org or blog.hcfama.org veritas. not as many pictures it may not keep your attention
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Mar 21, 2010
 
ru kidding wrote:
<quoted text>what about wonkroom.thinkprogress.org or blog.hcfama.org veritas. not as many pictures it may not keep your attention
Who is John Galt? When they punish all of the produvtive citizens there is olny one solution.
When we stop producing you will have no one left to steal from!
This fella has interesting idea."Withdraw every penny from your bank and put it in a safety deposit box.Donate everything you own to charity. Quit your job, or close your business. Stop paying your mortgage. Adopt or have more children. Get sick (mental or physical).Draw unemployment or disability or retire on SS (make... up an excuse) apply for food stamps, Medicaid or Medicare(if possible)Get into subsidized housing. Buy a boat and go fishing."See More
We will just join you on the dole.
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#32
Mar 21, 2010
 
Remember Remember this November...Vote the party of NO out of office.
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Mar 21, 2010
 
Amerika wrote:
Remember Remember this November...Vote the party of NO out of office.
You poor ignorant parasite.You wanted it now you have it.
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Mar 22, 2010
 
The Healthcare Bill HAS PASSED!!! It is truly cause for celebration!!!!!
That means that my diabetic daughter cannot be denied healthcare based on a 'pre-existing condition', and she can remain on our health insurance until she is 26. I am so happy!!! Thank you President Obama for never giving up and finally getting this long overdue bill passed!!!
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Mar 22, 2010
 
PuffinLady wrote:
Health Care in Europe far superior to ours. We need Universal Health Care.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...
In my opinion, European health care is INFERIOR to ours. I lived there. Here are 2 personal examples.
1. Our landlord in Germany had the government insurance. She needed surgery on her ankle and was in great pain. She was told it would be 4 months for her surgery... so in addition to the hefty taxes(45%) she already pays she had to purchase private healthcare to get immediate surgery.
2. I had private insurance and would walk into a doctor's waiting room where a large number of people were waiting and be called in FIRST because I had private coverage.

I also have experienced our governments handling of VA hospitals, the BMV etc.... Not impressed.

Many citizens from other countries travel to U.S. for their medical needs.
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Mar 22, 2010
 
jan wrote:
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In my opinion, European health care is INFERIOR to ours. I lived there. Here are 2 personal examples.
1. Our landlord in Germany had the government insurance. She needed surgery on her ankle and was in great pain. She was told it would be 4 months for her surgery... so in addition to the hefty taxes(45%) she already pays she had to purchase private healthcare to get immediate surgery.
2. I had private insurance and would walk into a doctor's waiting room where a large number of people were waiting and be called in FIRST because I had private coverage.
I also have experienced our governments handling of VA hospitals, the BMV etc.... Not impressed.
Many citizens from other countries travel to U.S. for their medical needs.
"Why VA Health Care Is Better Than Yours"
Philip Longman makes the case that current U.S. healthcare is a fragmented, market driven system that lags behind much of the industrialized world in both quality and access of healthcare. According to Longman, the problem with our healthcare system is that it isn't really a system and that it doesn't reward the one thing that it should - health improvement. In fact, he offers proof that in the U.S. doctors and hospitals are rewarded for providing treatment, but not necessarily providing health to their patients. To illustrate this, he offers examples from two of the nation's premier hospitals - Beth Israel and Duke Medical Center. Both initiated programs that were so successful at improving health that they became unprofitable and were ultimately terminated.

This book is filled with understandable, but often shocking statistics. For example, every year in the United States 98,000 people die due to medical errors while in the hospital, another 90,000 die due to infections that they get while in the hospital, and 126,000 needlessly die because their doctor failed to use evidence-based protocols for just four of the most common conditions.

The solution? Longman speaks effusively about the VA healthcare system. And rightfully so. It is the only fully functioning, evidence-based healthcare system in the country. The book explores the history of the VA and speaks honestly about some of the warts that mar the VA's reputation. But the truth of the matter is that the VA has turned all of that around and is currently at the front of the healthcare revolution.

Longman's book contains sections on safety, quality improvement, the concept of lifetime healthcare, and the Kizer Revolution at the VA, which dramatically improved quality and altered forever the course of veterans' healthcare.

The section on VistA, the software program that is revolutionizing healthcare, is worth the price of the book. This open source software program is really a bundle of 20,000 programs written in open source code. Surprisingly, it is being adopted extensively around the world - but not right here at home.

Longman proposes a reform of the U.S. healthcare system that incorporates the best of VistA and many other VA best practices and innovations. If you are interested in the healthcare debate and what is possible in future U.S. healthcare, I highly recommend this book.
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Mar 22, 2010
 
Amerika wrote:
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"Why VA Health Care Is Better Than Yours"
Philip Longman makes the case that current U.S. healthcare is a fragmented, market driven system that lags behind much of the industrialized world in both quality and access of healthcare. According to Longman, the problem with our healthcare system is that it isn't really a system and that it doesn't reward the one thing that it should - health improvement. In fact, he offers proof that in the U.S. doctors and hospitals are rewarded for providing treatment, but not necessarily providing health to their patients. To illustrate this, he offers examples from two of the nation's premier hospitals - Beth Israel and Duke Medical Center. Both initiated programs that were so successful at improving health that they became unprofitable and were ultimately terminated.
This book is filled with understandable, but often shocking statistics. For example, every year in the United States 98,000 people die due to medical errors while in the hospital, another 90,000 die due to infections that they get while in the hospital, and 126,000 needlessly die because their doctor failed to use evidence-based protocols for just four of the most common conditions.
The solution? Longman speaks effusively about the VA healthcare system. And rightfully so. It is the only fully functioning, evidence-based healthcare system in the country. The book explores the history of the VA and speaks honestly about some of the warts that mar the VA's reputation. But the truth of the matter is that the VA has turned all of that around and is currently at the front of the healthcare revolution.
Longman's book contains sections on safety, quality improvement, the concept of lifetime healthcare, and the Kizer Revolution at the VA, which dramatically improved quality and altered forever the course of veterans' healthcare.
The section on VistA, the software program that is revolutionizing healthcare, is worth the price of the book. This open source software program is really a bundle of 20,000 programs written in open source code. Surprisingly, it is being adopted extensively around the world - but not right here at home.
Longman proposes a reform of the U.S. healthcare system that incorporates the best of VistA and many other VA best practices and innovations. If you are interested in the healthcare debate and what is possible in future U.S. healthcare, I highly recommend this book.
The most racist piece of garbage I have seen in my half century on this planet is equating robbing productive citizens with the struggle fought long and hard to treat all people as humans.Trashing the Constitution and calling it patriotic.The people defending this are only looking the color of his skin and not his policies.Now who is the racist? If Bush had tried this it would have reported as the Tryanny that it is.
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Mar 22, 2010
 
PuffinLady wrote:
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Read your website - it proves nothing. No facts are given and it is written as purely opinion-more myths.
I read the ENTIRE Proposed Health Bill and my view stands.
Here's a good NON-PARTISAN link that contains other links:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl857
veritas is short on facts. lots of uninformed opinion from veritas.
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Mar 22, 2010
 
ru kidding wrote:
<quoted text>veritas is short on facts. lots of uninformed opinion from veritas.
Im just joining the freebie bandwagon.It is such a wonderful idea we should take it to the next level.Since we have government motors we could mandate all people buy a car.I plan on sleeping til noon and waiting on my free car cause I have a right to travel dont ya know.So I am confident Congress will mandate all those still producing to get me there since Im so poor.Look at the greater good as it will give all those workerbees a job.
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Mar 22, 2010
 
Our national soap opera has brought out the worst in many people over an issue that one would think the vast majority of people - anyone in fact who has lived with the insanity and inhumanity of the insurance corporations. Yet something bigger came into play. Something I simply couldn't understand.

But today, it began to make sense. Take away all the rhetoric and bombast, and what do you have?

You have a political victory by one party over another in an area that affects virtually every American in his or her life. Health Care is needed universally, even if it isn't universally available even yet in this country.

But the Democrats have won a major social battle that will be seen as a landmark in American history.

And this, THIS, is what has driven the Republicans, hate radio, Fox News, wingnuts and others in the madcap political arena to lose all sense of perspective and morality in this battle.

But Barack Obama has won!. This black President has changed America in a significant and permanent way.

So more than anything else, as correct-thinking people in this country celebrate, be aware that this is thing that sticks in the craw of so many people who harbor so much hatred for America and Americans on this great and wonderful day.
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Mar 22, 2010
 
Amerika wrote:
Our national soap opera has brought out the worst in many people over an issue that one would think the vast majority of people - anyone in fact who has lived with the insanity and inhumanity of the insurance corporations. Yet something bigger came into play. Something I simply couldn't understand.
But today, it began to make sense. Take away all the rhetoric and bombast, and what do you have?
You have a political victory by one party over another in an area that affects virtually every American in his or her life. Health Care is needed universally, even if it isn't universally available even yet in this country.
But the Democrats have won a major social battle that will be seen as a landmark in American history.
And this, THIS, is what has driven the Republicans, hate radio, Fox News, wingnuts and others in the madcap political arena to lose all sense of perspective and morality in this battle.
But Barack Obama has won!. This black President has changed America in a significant and permanent way.
So more than anything else, as correct-thinking people in this country celebrate, be aware that this is thing that sticks in the craw of so many people who harbor so much hatred for America and Americans on this great and wonderful day.
I love America.where else can you sleep all day and still have a full belly on those that work two jobs dime.Im with you Pelosi.What does his skin color have to do with it? You lost me on that one
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Mar 22, 2010
 
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<quoted text>I love America.where else can you sleep all day and still have a full belly on those that work two jobs dime.Im with you Pelosi.What does his skin color have to do with it? You lost me on that one
you must receive lots of government money veritas to live like that. the Americans i know work and we still love our countrt. i make enough i need not work two jobs however.

facts about reform:

all kida are covered

no more annual or lifetime limits

cant get dropped if sick

coverage for pre-existing conditions

companies required to spend 80 to 85% on care or refund money

tax credits for small business

drug help for seniors
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Mar 23, 2010
 
ru kidding wrote:
<quoted text>you must receive lots of government money veritas to live like that. the Americans i know work and we still love our countrt. i make enough i need not work two jobs however.
facts about reform:
all kida are covered
no more annual or lifetime limits
cant get dropped if sick
coverage for pre-existing conditions
companies required to spend 80 to 85% on care or refund money
tax credits for small business
drug help for seniors
Facts about our Constitution.We are a nation of laws.REFUSE to COMPLY WITH AN UNLAWFUL LAW
Breaking News

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#46
Mar 23, 2010
 
veritas is paid by newsmax to post.
Amerika

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Mar 23, 2010
 
Meanwhile, a lonely, broken man watches CNN at his suburban hamlet outside of Dallas. He sits in his room....alone. His wife, long having moved to a room on the opposite side of the house, sees little of him.....nor wants to. A picture of J.R. Ewing hangs above his bed starting down at him.....in judgment.

"This is Wolf Blitzer of "The Situation Room"...the results are in and it looks like this President will be victorious with Health Care reform....something his predecessor could NEVER have done under any circumstances and....

(((click)))....he shuts off the TV and sits on the edge of his bed, in boxer shorts and t-shirt, staring in the mirror..... staring at a broken failure. He is s*tinking drunk....as always. Barney, once loyal to his master, now cowers in the corner watching, with suspicion a man he does not know....((growwwwl)))".

"I'm confident I made the right decisions as President" he says....but no one's listening....no one.

...he repeats it, "I'm confident I made the right decisions as President"....again, and again, slurring his words more profoundly each time he says it. Deep down, even the man staring back doesn't believe him. No one does. D*runk on Johnnie Walker he is delusional. He thinks to himself, not only am I a failure...I was the worst President in history...

...."in history",#43 concludes in his inebriated state, before lifting a freshly opened bottle to his lips

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