Health Care Debate - Deer Park, TX

TV MAN wrote:

<quoted text>Every time you answer my post you show the ignorant side of yourself. I clearly stated I'll answer your speculation with my speculation. Then you come back with a statement "I'm giving advice without any facts". No kidding "FOOL". I also clearly mention waiting to see results is a better way and a better solution. That's not speculation that's common sense. It's you that creates fact out of hopes and dreams. If you ever stopped and waited, some of what you say might actually happen. Then you could make your move. However nothing you've said has resulted with facts yet. What if I would've believed you concerning the Supreme Court decision. You were wrong. That's what happens when you speculate"FOOL".

I speculated over two months ago that all three branches of our corrupt government
upholds Obummers CommieCare. Why?. Because
multinational corporations and the banksters
bought our government.

ObummerCare will NOT stand!. Why?. Because this country is broke and so are most of us!
Demand has been exceeding money supply for a long time. It's simple logic that greedy, money hungry bastards like the lobbyists who
own the politicians will finally understand.

The IRS won't get blood out of stones, no matter how many of the thugs Obummer hires.

TV MAN wrote:

<quoted text>I'll answer your speculation with my speculation. I don't believe for one minute any thing you say will happen. If the middle class take a real hit, the Dem's are gone. The problem with guys like you, taking the bait before the fish comes along. Look, allow this thing to unfold. If the results prove you right, voters will act. That's the conservatives whole problem. Jumping without any foundation. Speculating and expecting independents to get scared. Ain't happening dude. Independents like me wait to limit our mistakes. You jump without knowing whats below you. Stop it, or lose the election. One way the Republicans could help themselves is coming up with their own plan. However they got no plan. Sorry, I almost forgot, cut programs, forget taxes. Not the right plan.

Just one more speculation for ya. After the tax increases in Jan 2013, taxpayers simply
won't have the money to pay for your wet dream called ObamaCare. You Commie bastards
will just have to go pound sand.

Defiant1 wrote:

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I speculated over two months ago that all three branches of our corrupt government
upholds Obummers CommieCare. Why?. Because
multinational corporations and the banksters
bought our government.
ObummerCare will NOT stand!. Why?. Because this country is broke and so are most of us!
Demand has been exceeding money supply for a long time. It's simple logic that greedy, money hungry bastards like the lobbyists who
own the politicians will finally understand.
The IRS won't get blood out of stones, no matter how many of the thugs Obummer hires.

You replyed to a post for someone else, however, sense I have your attention congrats on speculating correctly. Bashing our government or the Supreme court does no good. What Republicans should be doing is taking a stand on compromising. Capretta and Moffit have a plan, and the Republicans aren't proposing it. This plan will replace Obama care with a flexible, decentralized, and compelling compromise. If that's true, they shouldn't waste another breath bashing the court for upholding Obamacare. They should tell Independents how they would replace it. Democracy is a contest between alternatives, not of black robes. I'm listening and waiting for conservatives to get it right, yet, they keep losing while whining.

Defiant1 wrote:

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Just one more speculation for ya. After the tax increases in Jan 2013, taxpayers simply
won't have the money to pay for your wet dream called ObamaCare. You Commie bastards
will just have to go pound sand.

Be careful, and stop to think. You're approaching this issue in an emotional way. Business is not about emotion, it's about leverage. It's a contest. He who leverages the best wins. If what you say is true, Americans will act, and heads will roll. Nothing wrong with preparing, yet bitching doesn't get things done. Republicans need to stop and think, stop all the bashing and scare tactics. It's not going to work. It's very simple, Obama is thinking, and Republicans are whining.

TV MAN wrote:

<quoted text>You replyed to a post for someone else, however, sense I have your attention congrats on speculating correctly. Bashing our government or the Supreme court does no good. What Republicans should be doing is taking a stand on compromising. Capretta and Moffit have a plan, and the Republicans aren't proposing it. This plan will replace Obama care with a flexible, decentralized, and compelling compromise. If that's true, they shouldn't waste another breath bashing the court for upholding Obamacare. They should tell Independents how they would replace it. Democracy is a contest between alternatives, not of black robes. I'm listening and waiting for conservatives to get it right, yet, they keep losing while whining.

TV even their presidential candidate has been vague without a plan for anything. All they can do is bash, Obama has been successful. The fact is if Obama came out in favor of oxygen republicans would suffocate themselves.

ru kidding wrote:

<quoted text>TV even their presidential candidate has been vague without a plan for anything. All they can do is bash, Obama has been successful. The fact is if Obama came out in favor of oxygen republicans would suffocate themselves.

Same old partisan bullshit. The biggest tax increase in the history of the world is coming. I hope that you enjoy it too.

TV MAN wrote:

<quoted text>You replyed to a post for someone else, however, sense I have your attention congrats on speculating correctly. Bashing our government or the Supreme court does no good. What Republicans should be doing is taking a stand on compromising. Capretta and Moffit have a plan, and the Republicans aren't proposing it. This plan will replace Obama care with a flexible, decentralized, and compelling compromise. If that's true, they shouldn't waste another breath bashing the court for upholding Obamacare. They should tell Independents how they would replace it. Democracy is a contest between alternatives, not of black robes. I'm listening and waiting for conservatives to get it right, yet, they keep losing while whining.

The Greatest Trick the Republicans' Anti-Government Belief Ever Pulled Off Was Convincing Us It Actually Existed

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup...

Gabby2 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_p opup?v=JVAhr4hZDJE&vq=medi um#t=19

Nuts!!!

Veteran wrote:

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Nuts!!!

You call yourself a veteran and you call a patriotic message nuts?.
Oh I get it. You don't want to be classified as a terrorist by
your own government and Big Sis.

Foreign interests dumped big money into lobbying for this stinking pile of shit called the HCA. Why would foreign interests care about the health and well being of Americans?. Genentech and Roche Holdings
come to mind.

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.ph...

The Army released suicide data today for the month of June. During June, among active-duty soldiers, there were 11 potential suicides: one has been confirmed as suicide and 10 remain under investigation. For May, the Army reported 16 potential suicides among active-duty soldiers: five have been confirmed as suicides and 11 remain under investigation. For 2012, there have been 89 potential active-duty suicides: 48 have been confirmed as suicides and 41 remain under investigation. Active-duty suicide number for 2011: 165 (confirmed as suicides and no cases remain under investigation).

During June, among reserve component soldiers who were not on active duty, there were 12 potential suicides (10 Army National Guard and two Army Reserve): none have been confirmed as suicides and 12 remain under investigation. For May, among that same group, the Army reported nine potential suicides (two Army National Guard and seven Army Reserve): two have been confirmed as suicides and seven remain under investigation. For 2012, there have been 58 potential not on active-duty suicides (36 Army National Guard and 22 Army Reserve): 34 have been confirmed as suicides and 24 remain under investigation. Not on active-duty suicide numbers for 2011: 118 (82 Army National Guard and 36 Army Reserve) confirmed as suicides and no cases remain under investigation.

“Suicide is a soldier, family and institutional tragedy that all of us must work together to defeat. In the Army Reserve, I have asked our leaders to focus on a very basic tenet of leadership -- know your soldiers, civilians, and their families. Remind them that they are part of the Army family, and as a family we will address the challenges and stresses of life together,” said Lt. Gen. Jeffrey W. Talley, chief of Army Reserve and commanding general, U.S. Army Reserve Command.

Soldiers and families in need of crisis assistance can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. Trained consultants are available 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year and can be contacted by dialing 1-800-273-TALK (8255) or by visiting their website at http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org .

Army leaders can access current health promotion guidance in newly revised Army Regulation 600-63 (Health Promotion) at: http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r600_63.p... and Army Pamphlet 600-24 (Health Promotion, Risk Reduction and Suicide Prevention) at http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/p600_24.p... .

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More and More of Democ-rats Lies upon Lies:

Steelworker Featured at DNC Didn't Work for Bain
By Jonathan Karl | ABC OTUS News – 2 hrs 23 mins ago

The Democratic National Convention on Wednesday featured three speakers billed as "former employees of companies controlled by Bain Capital."
They each told compelling stories about jobs lost, allegedly because of the actions of Bain under Romney's leadership.
But it turns out one of those employees never actually worked for a company controlled by Bain Capital. David Foster was supposedly one of those former employees on the convention schedule. He told the story about 750 steelworkers who lost their jobs when the Bain-controlled company GST steel filed for bankruptcy in the early 1990s.
"In 2001, with GST bankrupt and Romney still CEO of Bain, I stood in front of hundreds of steelworkers in their 50s and 60s, and retirees in their 70s and 80s, and told them Romney and Bain had broken their promises. Jobs, vacation pay, severance, health insurance and pension benefits that were promised - they were all gone," he said. Read his full speech here

But Foster, according to a former spokesman for GST Steel, never actually worked for the company. "David Foster was never an employee of GST Steel's Kansas City plant. He was employed by the United Steelworkers of America as their regional union director to represent GST Steel, but was not employed at our facility," according to BC Huselton, who was head of HR at GST. Instead, Foster was a union organizer, who negotiated for workers that did work for the company. Foster explained in his remarks that he was an organizer during his dealings with GST Steel. But it is not clear from the remarks that he never worked for a company controlled by Bain. Foster was prominently featured in an Obama campaign video, " Romney economics ," where he is identified as lead negotiator for workers at GST Steel.An Obama campaign TV ad based on the story of a GST worker who suggests that his wife's death from cancer years later was due in part to losing health insurance when the plant closed got a " false " from Politifact and drew criticism for being misleading. But the Romney campaign has released its own version of what happened at GST Steel. The video features a former executive, Huselton, who says that Bain's actions actually saved the company. "

OH and in case you are wondering, I WAS A BUSINESS AGENT FOR MY UNION FOR 25 YEARS, ALSO AN EXECUTIVE BOARD MEMBER.!!!

Too bad the Democraps can't be sued for slander!

While we are talking about Retards and Fools let us explore the People that the Democ-rats have around Barry Soetoro:

Is his name "Democ rat" or "Democrap"? The Biggest Liar is Barack Hinsane Obama, or is it Barry Soetoro? What happened with "if the Unemployment is 8% or higher, I will be a one term president??????
Liar! Why doesn't the President know HOW MANY STATES ARE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA???? Fifty Seven states? Where did the other seven states come from????? Oh and while we are at it will someone please inform Mrs Obama that Election days is November 6th not November 2nd.....LOL. And the Democraps want you to vote for more unemployment, more losses of jobs, more fiscal spending to bankrupt the USA? Reasonable minds would like to know the answers to these LIES!!!!! Now that Obama has superseded the prior king of the "worse president the US has ever had....Jimmy Carter, at least Lyndon B Johnson, had more brains than "Barry", and didn't run for a second term. I guess that is why he "Locked away" the records of anyone that works for the Government, one of his first acts. You would have thought that getting the budget passed would have been. But no. The democraps which had control over both houses since the last two years of Bush, and the first two years of Obama, should have passed a budget quickly. Which proves he is the most inept, dumb, president we have ever had. Way over his head in any job that would require any experience, as all he ever had done was to be a "me too" Senator. Before that he was a "Community Organizer". Hey, I was a Union Organizer, I guess that qualifies me to be President also, and I can prove that I was born in the United States of America.

I watched the speeches. The guy plainly stated who he was and how he was involved.

Voice of Reason wrote:

More and More of Democ-rats Lies upon Lies:
Steelworker Featured at DNC Didn't Work for Bain
By Jonathan Karl | ABC OTUS News – 2 hrs 23 mins ago
The Democratic National Convention on Wednesday featured three speakers billed as "former employees of companies controlled by Bain Capital."
They each told compelling stories about jobs lost, allegedly because of the actions of Bain under Romney's leadership.
But it turns out one of those employees never actually worked for a company controlled by Bain Capital. David Foster was supposedly one of those former employees on the convention schedule. He told the story about 750 steelworkers who lost their jobs when the Bain-controlled company GST steel filed for bankruptcy in the early 1990s.
"In 2001, with GST bankrupt and Romney still CEO of Bain, I stood in front of hundreds of steelworkers in their 50s and 60s, and retirees in their 70s and 80s, and told them Romney and Bain had broken their promises. Jobs, vacation pay, severance, health insurance and pension benefits that were promised - they were all gone," he said. Read his full speech here
But Foster, according to a former spokesman for GST Steel, never actually worked for the company. "David Foster was never an employee of GST Steel's Kansas City plant. He was employed by the United Steelworkers of America as their regional union director to represent GST Steel, but was not employed at our facility," according to BC Huselton, who was head of HR at GST. Instead, Foster was a union organizer, who negotiated for workers that did work for the company. Foster explained in his remarks that he was an organizer during his dealings with GST Steel. But it is not clear from the remarks that he never worked for a company controlled by Bain. Foster was prominently featured in an Obama campaign video, " Romney economics ," where he is identified as lead negotiator for workers at GST Steel.An Obama campaign TV ad based on the story of a GST worker who suggests that his wife's death from cancer years later was due in part to losing health insurance when the plant closed got a " false " from Politifact and drew criticism for being misleading. But the Romney campaign has released its own version of what happened at GST Steel. The video features a former executive, Huselton, who says that Bain's actions actually saved the company. "
OH and in case you are wondering, I WAS A BUSINESS AGENT FOR MY UNION FOR 25 YEARS, ALSO AN EXECUTIVE BOARD MEMBER.!!!
Too bad the Democraps can't be sued for slander!

"Poof", voice of no reason is gone.

Hezekiah wrote:

I watched the speeches. The guy plainly stated who he was and how he was involved.

Hezekiah, glad to hear from you, its been a while.

TV MAN wrote:

<quoted text>Hezekiah, glad to hear from you, its been a while.

I hope you're in good health, TVMan.

Hezekiah wrote:

<quoted text>
I hope you're in good health, TVMan.

Just got all my tests back from the Doc, and everything is back to normal. I'm doing great, thanks for your concern.

TV MAN wrote:

<quoted text>Just got all my tests back from the Doc, and everything is back to normal. I'm doing great, thanks for your concern.

Excellent!

Hey Komrads!

Thank Allah for the Leftist academic parasite in the White House and Nasty Piglosi too. Everyone will be
broke in the good old USSA, except for the greedy insurance companies in 2014.