Health Care Debate - Danville, IL

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Norman

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Dec 8, 2009
Cost Too Much ! Take too much away from us!!
Trio

United States

#2 Dec 21, 2009
If this health bill is so fabulous then let the politicians use it, and pay for it first. Insurance should not be mandated by big Government, or forced upon private citizens. Not to mention all the pork shoved in this bill, the bought & paid for votes like Senator Ben Nelson's. Those votes were purchased with tax payer money.
Zackonly1

Metairie, LA

#3 Dec 26, 2009
The blame for the system going bust is because of the retirement of the BABY BOOMERS, so it is said. This may play a SMALL part, but I think that there are more causes. Now MANY BABY BOOMERS may not be able to retire!! Thank Congress for this!!
Reasons for system going bust
1. There is a loophole in the system. An unwed parent can get government benefits for all of his/her children. This benefit should be limited to just ONE child!! Everyone can make ONE mistake, but after that, the government (TAXPAYERS) should NOT support any children thereafter.
2. Those that can work, but choose not to, should get NO government assistance!!

This is a BRILLIANT proposition. I am just surprised that not a single person in Congress thought of this....oh, but oh, it is under 2,000 pages and most can understand it. Maybe that is the reason...LOL!

The money saved in these areas can then be re-allocated to the health care system at no more costs to anyone. The TAXPAYERS who have paid into the system and deserve assistance (MEDICARE) after they retire can be surer that they will have at least a little assistance after they retire, if they can retire. Why do we always see cuts to MEDICARE, but none to MEDICAID?

JUST A THOUGHT FOR ELECTION TIME ;)

I would think that most member of Congress if not in agreement with this should become a lobbyist for big business, like many members of Congress do after they leave Congress. We have at least three from Louisiana that are now lobbyists for big business (now can you see who they really care about?), soon to be at least two more, come next election!!

We may be Democrats, Republican, or Other, but guess what; most of us reading and commenting here are TAXPAYING CITIZENS (the Government). CONGRESS WORKS FOR US!! Not the President!!

THE NEXT TIME ELECTION COMES UP; THIS IS THE ONE THING TO REMEMBER!!! A YES VOTE ON THIS ONE IS A DEFINATE VOTE AGAINST THEM!!

Just remember folks, in order to vote AGAINST someone in a primary election in closed states, like we here in Louisiana now are, you must belong to the same party affiliate, so you might just have to change your party a few months before the primary election, then change back after the primary election. This way at least the candidate in question will not make it into the runoff.

Just go to the REGISTRAR OF VOTERS website.

Just change your party affiliation a couple of months before the primary. Because, sometimes it is more important to vote someone out of office than to vote someone into office.

Since: Dec 09

United States

#4 Dec 27, 2009
Of the 3 opinions before mine, only the 1st (by Norman) makes alot of sense... and that's cause all he'll say is it'll cost to much (no argument here, buddy. It'll be 12x more than they claim, like every other "cheap" program they come up with!).

The other 2 (by Trio & Zackonly1) are somewhat problematic!

According to Trio, "insurance should not be mandated by big Government." Yeah, maybe it shouldn't be. But, for those of us who've paid attention to the law for the past 75 years (since the New Deal), we're aware that "big Government" mandates insurance for anyone and everyone who can't pay for their health bills (except for wealthy conservatives who have cable TV shows, the rest of us, when we're too poor to pay, get government subsidies).
But, when you tune in the plethora of Cartoon Network copycat programs on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox, you here socialism has never been tried in this country before. Really?! I bet these people still speculate what the effects of "talkies" are going to be on big name actors like Charlie Chaplin and Mary Astor.
Why in Zeus's beard are there that many halfwits who never heard of SSI, Medicare, Medicaid, and the Vermilion County Health Department? The only people who aren't given free health insurance right now are the rich bitches who can afford their own.

As for Zackonly1's, he subdivides his post way too extensively for me to want to answer. He's right about the cost issues, but his claim that Baby Boomers are a SMALL part of the cost override is stupid. The average teenager is going to work doubletime to pay for greedy Baby Boomers who spent $100s-of-thousands on booze, hookers, and cigarettes for the last 30 years, leading up to his sticking the taxpayer with $Millions$ of medical & nursing home bills for the grandkids to slave away for his old age.

And Zackonly1 also says the system is going bust because of all the whores and their slutty sperm donors spawning hordes of (predominately racially-mixed) bastards.
I'm not in favor of this tax giveaway to the least deserving (the whore of a father most of all, but the retarded doe-eyed bitches can't be let off the hook either!).
This creates a double problem: 1. the pay off to the whores & gigolos is actually very small in real numbers (low billions at most), but 2. their lack of working in money-producing jobs & not paying taxes turns that into 10s-of-billions a year (100s-of-billions throughout the lifetime of this massive group of losers!). You can't overlook taxpayers being forced to rim these assholes as tightly as all that and not get disgusted!
However, there are too many other lowlifes in the system (like the Greediest Generation that established Social Security in the 1930s) and their immediate offspring (the Whines-Like-A-Baby Generation) that pats itself on the back for inventing Depends and for legalizing abortion (sadly, too late to cut these bums off the welfare rolls!)! You can't look to these 2 behemoth groups of tax-and-spend losers and blame it all on the welfare cheats!

I think the answer is either to become one of the parasites like the government wants us to be -- it's the dominate morality and has been for decades -- or to move to a country that better suits your taste. Remember: your ancestors were immigrants (just like the filthy Mexicans swimming across the Rio Grande), so don't knock it 'til you've tried it!
George

Champaign, IL

#5 Jan 11, 2010
Our freedoms are being taken from us. Why did the revolution from England take place circa 1776? So that our government could work for us and we tell them what to do--not the other way around!
Kati

Urbana, IL

#6 Jan 11, 2010
I keep hearing that. What freedoms have you lost George?

Since: Dec 09

United States

#7 Jan 14, 2010
Kati, you are unbelievably naive to ask that question. George has lost lots of freedoms, as have you and I, all because the government regulated the health insurance industry last month.
While I can't think what those freedoms could possibly be, it doesn't mean they're not lost.
Just because it's difficult to articulate the freedoms we lose, and even though all freedoms are secular, definable, and physical acts, it doesn't mean they're not being lost. Does that make sense? If it does, you still have the freedom to go seek counseling, because it's a load of nonsense (kind of like George's statement!).

However, we do lose freedoms every day. For instance, I just lost the freedom to text while driving. I thought I lost the freedom to masturbate while driving this month, but silly me, I found it behind the davenport.
Kati

Urbana, IL

#8 Jan 15, 2010
If you can't tell me what you have lost then you haven't lost anything. The health insurance industry has not as of yet been regulated and I think that almost everyone will agree there needs to be some changes there. Just tell me what freedoms you have lost. Texting while driving btw is not a freedom. I'm looking for an intelligent answer to this question. People keep saying that and when I ask them what freedoms I can never get an answer

Since: Dec 09

United States

#9 Jan 15, 2010
I lose freedoms all the time.
Texting while driving is too a freedom.
Texting while driving nude is a freedom I've enjoyed lots of times, but only arrested for once.
I thought I lost my Freedom of Religion, but I accidentally left it in the glove compartment. Silly me!
I'm free to drink and drive. Proof of this is all the times I never got caught, which is all the times I did it.
I hate it when cops try to take away my freedom to have sex with ugly diseased hookers on a curbside while snorting crack off their ass crack. That ticks me off!

And as far as the health insurance industry, I value my freedom to overpay for insurance. So does my insurance agent, and I don't see why you have to nag so much!
Kati

Urbana, IL

#10 Jan 18, 2010
Oh now I've got it. You're just an idiot. Well you didn't lose that freedom
Mr Deez

Dallas, TX

#11 Jan 20, 2010
Kati wrote:
Oh now I've got it. You're just an idiot. Well you didn't lose that freedom
I've proudly retained my freedom to hate black people for being dirty, diseased, drug-addled, welfare leeches.
Kati

Urbana, IL

#12 Jan 21, 2010
That's just sad that you are so hateful. But you have that freedom to be so
Mr Deez

United States

#13 Jan 22, 2010
Don't worry Kati, Black people have done plenty to earn my disgust. They are almost completely worthless, although I will admit that cotton is indeed the fabric of our lives, hence the "almost".

When black people stop commiting the majority of crimes, quit spreading AIDS and living in filth, and take an active interest in bettering the community, then maybe I'll concede that I might be wrong, but we both know that won't happen.

The fact is, 80% of the black community would starve if they ended welfare, of course they'd riot and kill us all in the meantime.

Since: Dec 09

United States

#14 Jan 26, 2010
Mr Deez, I can't understand why you are so hateful.
In Kati's case, it's perfectly understandable. She's an obnoxious know-it-all with too much time on her stubby little hands.
But you do have some valid points there, Mr Deez. Black people do commit most of the crimes, and they're so racist about it also. How is it possible for black people to be so obsessed with race that they hate a bunch of liberal whites who literally tax themselves out of jobs just to be "liked" by the very people whom they rob and rape?

And Kati, one freedom that's lost that you're too "brilliant" to comprehend: the freedom to keep your own money instead of "giving" it away (by threats from IRS) to strangers against your will. Of course, you might be on welfare yourself, so who knows what you really believe.
Kati

Urbana, IL

#15 Jan 26, 2010
Hmmm never been on welfare. You know it's annoying that you think you can express your opinion, but anyone who has an opinion diffent from yours is a know it all. Aren't you too when it comes to what you believe. Unfortunately have we ever had a chance to decide where our tax money goes. Not in my lifetime and not in yours either. It would be nice. I'd donate it all to myself. No one has ever asked me though. I'm for a fair tax actually. Thank you for asking. Everyone should pay the same percentage. Don't ya think?

Since: Dec 09

United States

#16 Jan 26, 2010
You're right, I am a know-it-all compared to you. You don't seem to know much of anything. I do think I can express my opinion. I'm doing it now, and I intend on doing it whether you ask inane questions or not.

Let me get this straight, you think that if you don't personally decide where our tax dollars go, then I should just leave well enough alone? Right? Would you be so contented if everything went in the opposite direction? Would you say, "Sure 'nuff, cuz no one never did ask me none!"
Nuh-uh, you know you wouldn't go that route (you haven't so far).

And no, I don't think everyone should pay the same percentage. We have multiple taxes, and many tax rates, for good reasons. There are many types of users of government services, and if you use them then you should be taxed for them -- and if you don't, then there should be some equitable way to pay for them as well even if you're not likely to use them.
debby

Dallas, TX

#17 Jan 26, 2010
after discovering that the very poorest would have been, could have been, may have been making 23/hr today if they kept pace with the CEOs salaries i think it is owed to them. like reparations.
debby

Dallas, TX

#18 Jan 26, 2010
jarama1127 wrote:
Mr Deez, I can't understand why you are so hateful.
In Kati's case, it's perfectly understandable. She's an obnoxious know-it-all with too much time on her stubby little hands.
But you do have some valid points there, Mr Deez. Black people do commit most of the crimes, and they're so racist about it also. How is it possible for black people to be so obsessed with race that they hate a bunch of liberal whites who literally tax themselves out of jobs just to be "liked" by the very people whom they rob and rape?
And Kati, one freedom that's lost that you're too "brilliant" to comprehend: the freedom to keep your own money instead of "giving" it away (by threats from IRS) to strangers against your will. Of course, you might be on welfare yourself, so who knows what you really believe.
and why do you make it a black problem only? the root is poverty and education (lack of), greed at the top (keeps you stupid) as well as the lack of God in their lives and that applies to all race. if there were only two people on the globe and you had only one bisquit and whoever ate it would live, the other die, and you could not half it, what would you do?
debby

Dallas, TX

#19 Jan 26, 2010
life without compassion is like life without a soul.
Kati

Urbana, IL

#20 Jan 27, 2010
I know at least as much as you do. I just see life differently and that's acceptable in my world, unlike your world where everyone thinks like you. That's ok. You don't read well. "And Kati, one freedom that's lost that you're too "brilliant" to comprehend: the freedom to keep your own money instead of "giving" it away (by threats from IRS) to strangers against your will." So I must have misunderstood what you said here. You made a comment about taxes that sounds like you're against them and then you beat me up for saying I beleive in an equal across the board tax. What is the good reason for different tax rates? I think it's more fair that everyone pays the same percentage no deductions, just straigh taxation. What is wrong with that?

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