Health Care Debate - Charlottesville, VA

I feel this is more of a insurance take over then to help the patients.

Its the right thing to do.

This is all about control and does not focus on patient care.

This is not the way to do things. If you want it cause its the right thing to do then how about doing it the right way and not the wrong way!!!

I want the freedom to choose all this does is give our freedom to the government!!!

Liberals give everything away to those who have done nothing to earn it!

TORT REFORM

This healthcare that is being drawn up by the democrats is a sham.

This is all about control and power over the people and not about helping them!!!

If it works for everywhere else, why wouldn't it work for us? Americans are going broke everyday paying for healthcare, this was the number one reason people were filing bankruptcy. People shouldn't have to choose between a life saving operation or paying their bills, just the same as no one should be dumped on the side of the road if they cannot afford healthcare..

Just dropped in because I've been hearing all this weird debate about the US healthcare system and just cannot understand what is left to discuss.
Forget all the negative propoganda you've been fed about the NHS in the UK. If any govt here canned our healthcare system I'd be out on the streets protesting in a heartbeat. And I wouldn't be alone - it'd be insurrection.
Nuff said.
You people have a great country with some astonishing flaws. Healthcare is one such flaw and you can fix it no problem.

Forget all that weird McCarthyism, flag waving, xenophobia and ignore the moneymen who will tell you anything to protect their investments. Just fix it. Nationalise your healthcare system and I guarantee that within 5 years it will not even be in question. Any politician suggesting a return to HMO's would be dead in the water.

Oh and one final point. We also have private hospitals in the UK. We are a free market economy after all. The rich get to pay more and have luxury hospitals if they so desire but all private hospitals are measured by the standards of the genuinely very good NHS hospitals that care for EVERYONE.

How can we not look out for our neighbors, rich and poor alike.

Cecily wrote:

This is all about control and power over the people and not about helping them!!!

To put it mildly you are a duped person.

Roserazzle wrote:

TORT REFORM
This healthcare that is being drawn up by the democrats is a sham.

And the war in Iraq was justifiable?

The thing is: it makes no real difference to me if you stay with your current system. And I wouldn't even presume to 'tell' you what to think.
I'm just trying to tell you that it's all for your own good...as a nation. I know it is, I live with it here and it works.

Obama may be going about things in a slightly weird way but I reckon he is just trying to take the first baby steps toward the ultimate goal which is the same healthcare system that all the rest of the developed world has.
I honestly don't know if you should trust him but I do know things should be changed.

All this is is a way for the middle class to pay for those who will not help themselves. You never get ahead by taking from one to give to another. How does that help anything by taking the food from my child so someone else can stay home and have more babies for us to take care of!!!?

thinking free wrote:

<quoted text>To put it mildly you are a duped person.

Okay genius! If you know so much then how will people be helped by having to ask the government if they can have a procedure instead of an insurance company? ALL THIS IS ABOUT IS CONTROL! People will still have to get authorizations for their procedures and how fast does the government get anything done and done right? That would be very slow and not right at all! Sorry you sound like the duped person here princess!

I have never ASKED my government for treatment...I TELL them what I need and they give it to me.
You are labouring under the illusion that this is about control. You have spent too long having to ask Insurance companies for cover or treatment and think that this will just transfer to a government agency. This is not how it works.

In a state-run healthcare system it is the duty of the hospital to treat you. The patient makes the demands. The NHS does not reserve the right to refuse anybody care if they need it.

This is at the core of what many American misunderstand about this. Doctors/hospitals are returned to the hyppocratic oath on which any medicine should be based...the duty of care for the sick. It is the responsibility of any healthcare organisation to make people well.

I never ask for care. I just get what I need and it is the duty of the NHS to never fail me.

The government does not run our healthcare, it just finances it.
I never deal with the government, I just deal with a doctor.

Johnny wrote:

The government does not run our healthcare, it just finances it.
I never deal with the government, I just deal with a doctor.

WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT YOUR GOVERNMENT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BILL THEY ARE ABOUT TO PASS!!! Have you read the legislation that they want us to take? If it is so great they why congress and the senate not taking it also? THIS IS GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE!!! READ THE BILL BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN!!!

Cecily,

As I explained in an earlier post, I am not strictly defending Obama or the bill he is trying to pass. I acknowledge that I do not have a complete knowledge of the details of the bill.

I understand that you retain the right to ignore my opinion as the bill does not effect me but I have only sought to try and explain to any American's afraid of socialised medicine that it is not the great evil so many of you think it to be.

I may be wrong but I believe it to be the first steps toward the same kind of healthcare system every other developed nation currently has and I am trying to tell you it is worth it.

I have taken interest in one of your national debates after watching 'Sicko'. I have looked into some of what Moore has purported to be true and have tried to understand the psychology your system has created with the average American.

And, lastly, I have sought to destroy the lies and misinformation many American's buy in to with regard to how socialised medicine works and what it means.

Every post I have made is with one goal:
TO CONVINCE EVERY ONE OF YOU THAT IT IS BETTER ON THE OTHER SIDE - but the journey might be a bit painful.

You see, I can type bold too...