Gun Laws Debate - Farmington, NM

Discuss the national Gun Laws debate in Farmington, NM.

Does the US need to reform its gun laws?

Farmington thinks US gun laws are fine.
Not at all
 
6
Yes
 
3
Undecided
 
0

Vote now in Farmington:

First Prev
of 3
Next Last
Tasia

Farmington, NM

#1 Jul 23, 2012
....and let all the bad guys have the guns instead of innocent people?? I don't think so!
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Jul 24, 2012
You can have all the laws you want, criminals do not follow laws, only normal people do. Look at mexico, over 59,000 killed in the last year by drug cartel criminals, some armed by the US AG holder. Mexico prohibits private firearms ownership. Doesn't seem to be working there, why on earth would anyone think it would work here. If you look at obams hometown paper for chitown, last night 6 people shot in 15 minutes and chitown has carrying guns in the city illegal.
Junior

United States

#3 Jul 24, 2012
In some cases (like the Aurora Co shooter), the bad guys start out as innocents who legally amass terrible weapons which facilitate their evolution to "bad guys".

Prohibiting, or at the least requiring a comprehensive background check, might slow down or deter nut jobs like this.
hmmmmm

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Jul 24, 2012
Junior wrote:
In some cases (like the Aurora Co shooter), the bad guys start out as innocents who legally amass terrible weapons which facilitate their evolution to "bad guys".
Prohibiting, or at the least requiring a comprehensive background check, might slow down or deter nut jobs like this.
.
have you ever filled out a firearms federal application ? it goes thru the FBI's checks and if it's a handgun a 5 day wait. I would think the FBI's background check is pretty comprehensive. They are only 'terrible weapons' with owners that have 'terrible use' for them.
Farmington

Farmington, NM

#5 Jul 25, 2012
I guess that we should outlaw all motorized vehicles too! since 14 illegal aliens were killed the other night when the coyote crashed his vehicle into a tree in Texas????
Adglanni Tso

United States

#6 Jul 25, 2012
hmmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
.
have you ever filled out a firearms federal application ? it goes thru the FBI's checks and if it's a handgun a 5 day wait. I would think the FBI's background check is pretty comprehensive. They are only 'terrible weapons' with owners that have 'terrible use' for them.
Filling out a form don't mean jack. The day after the Aurora shootings, an ABC reporter went to a gun dealer in Denver and anomalously purchased an AR-15 identical to the Joker's. The dealer had him fill out the form and the reporter took possession of the gun 2 hours later. He then ordered a box of ammunition online. So much for "pretty comprehensive". Dolt.

Adglanni Tso

United States

#7 Jul 25, 2012
Farmington wrote:
I guess that we should outlaw all motorized vehicles too! since 14 illegal aliens were killed the other night when the coyote crashed his vehicle into a tree in Texas????
Apples and Oranges.
lololol

Albuquerque, NM

#8 Jul 25, 2012
Adglanni Tso wrote:
<quoted text>
Filling out a form don't mean jack. The day after the Aurora shootings, an ABC reporter went to a gun dealer in Denver and anomalously purchased an AR-15 identical to the Joker's. The dealer had him fill out the form and the reporter took possession of the gun 2 hours later. He then ordered a box of ammunition online. So much for "pretty comprehensive". Dolt.
.
yep, he filled out the form called it in to the feds, he had a clean background and since it was a long gun he walked out of the store with it instead of a 5 day wait which only applies to handguns. Why he mail ordered the ammo is beyond me, 7.62 and .223 is available at pretty well all sporting goods stores, wal-mart and military surplus stores. So yes, pretty comprehensive, or are you implying this reporter used a fake name and SSN ? If so he belongs in jail just like the illegal using your SSN fraudulently. But since this was for publicity for his news org, I am sure he used his real information on the application and had no criminal record.
'Dolt' lololol
lololol

Albuquerque, NM

#9 Jul 25, 2012
Adglanni Tso wrote:
<quoted text>
Filling out a form don't mean jack. The day after the Aurora shootings, an ABC reporter went to a gun dealer in Denver and anomalously purchased an AR-15 identical to the Joker's. The dealer had him fill out the form and the reporter took possession of the gun 2 hours later. He then ordered a box of ammunition online. So much for "pretty comprehensive". Dolt.
.
I am surprised he had to wait 2 hours, last rifle I bought retail I was out the door 10 minutes after I handed the clerk the application, he made the call to the feds and I paid for it.
Junior

United States

#10 Jul 25, 2012
lololol wrote:
<quoted text>
.
yep, he filled out the form called it in to the feds, he had a clean background and since it was a long gun he walked out of the store with it instead of a 5 day wait which only applies to handguns. Why he mail ordered the ammo is beyond me, 7.62 and .223 is available at pretty well all sporting goods stores, wal-mart and military surplus stores. So yes, pretty comprehensive, or are you implying this reporter used a fake name and SSN ? If so he belongs in jail just like the illegal using your SSN fraudulently. But since this was for publicity for his news org, I am sure he used his real information on the application and had no criminal record.
'Dolt' lololol
Bingo! That was the point of my post; that gun laws do need to be reformed. It was just too easy for a nutjob to get a gun of this type.
silly

Albuquerque, NM

#11 Jul 25, 2012
Junior wrote:
<quoted text>
Bingo! That was the point of my post; that gun laws do need to be reformed. It was just too easy for a nutjob to get a gun of this type.
.
so now store clerks will have to be a psychiatrist to determine if the customer is a nutjob ? If you have a clean record and never been institutionalized should you be able to buy a gun ? How many cops run the streets ex-military with ptsd and a gun on their hip ? Throwing a term like 'nutjob' out there and saying they can't buy a gun is far fetched because no mechanism exists to label people like the Aurora joker a nutjob. A PHD college student who bought all his guns with taxpayer dollars with a research grant for neurosciences. How big a administrative, govt intrusional hassle you want to have to go through to buy yourself a legal firearm ? Criminals do not buy firearms from licensed dealers and fill forms out, they use the illegal black market for gun purchases.
Junior

United States

#12 Jul 25, 2012
silly wrote:
<quoted text>
.
so now store clerks will have to be a psychiatrist to determine if the customer is a nutjob ? If you have a clean record and never been institutionalized should you be able to buy a gun ? How many cops run the streets ex-military with ptsd and a gun on their hip ? Throwing a term like 'nutjob' out there and saying they can't buy a gun is far fetched because no mechanism exists to label people like the Aurora joker a nutjob. A PHD college student who bought all his guns with taxpayer dollars with a research grant for neurosciences. How big a administrative, govt intrusional hassle you want to have to go through to buy yourself a legal firearm ? Criminals do not buy firearms from licensed dealers and fill forms out, they use the illegal black market for gun purchases.
You're ignoring the obvious here: The weapon and the waiting period. If you're buying a standard bolt-action, standard caliber, with standard 4 or 5 round clip and willing to wait 10 days to pick up your gun, chances are you're not a nut job. Still possible but not probable.

But if you're a nut job, or pissed off at your co-workers, or on mood-altering drugs (as speculation is with the Aurora shooter), chances are you'll want a non-standard weapon(s) to maximize damage. Now, if you don't have to wait for 10 days, chances are you'll do what the Aurora shooter did. On the other hand, if you're forced to wait 10 days, things might turn out differently.

Obviously, I don't know for sure but just going by the history that was before the ban on assault guns were lifted and events of this nature were extremely rare if they ever happened at all.
Wondering

United States

#13 Jul 25, 2012
Why are live grenades illegal? Aren't they "arms", and therefore a right granted by the 2nd amendment??
whammer jammer

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Jul 25, 2012
Junior wrote:
<quoted text>
You're ignoring the obvious here: The weapon and the waiting period. If you're buying a standard bolt-action, standard caliber, with standard 4 or 5 round clip and willing to wait 10 days to pick up your gun, chances are you're not a nut job. Still possible but not probable.
But if you're a nut job, or pissed off at your co-workers, or on mood-altering drugs (as speculation is with the Aurora shooter), chances are you'll want a non-standard weapon(s) to maximize damage. Now, if you don't have to wait for 10 days, chances are you'll do what the Aurora shooter did. On the other hand, if you're forced to wait 10 days, things might turn out differently.
Obviously, I don't know for sure but just going by the history that was before the ban on assault guns were lifted and events of this nature were extremely rare if they ever happened at all.
But, in the interim...because of 'nutjobs' like this fruitcake...it may take away rights we all have fought for, laid down our lives for, for hundreds of years. UN crap? Oh hellllllll no. Oh HELL NO! Don't even think about taking my right to bear arms away due to H. Clinton's, Obama's 'behind the doors negotiations' crap! Uh, hell no. Don't even think about negotiating away my United States citizen rights to my constitutionally preserved protected rights. Who are we voting for? A representative of ALL the citizens of these United States of America...ALL citizens...those who continue to preserve the rights that our forefathers fought so hard for...who traveled thousands of miles for...so that there would never be any single entity with the authority to dictate whether or not we would be allowed to defend ourselves, our own families, our property, or communities, our country. This will not change because of a twisted individual. Our constitution will stand the test of time. No, there are no single psychopaths who can possibly change the constitution.... Now, that being said, it might serve us all to pay attention to the attempt by the Obama adminsitration to support the UN's current global ban on warfare/arms. He and Hilary seem to be in total support of the private citizen's ability to own and possess firearms. Uhh, now that's a violation of our constitution. Now, these people are representing the United States of America? What? Where in the constitution does it say, except for in 2012, when Hilary and Obama see the need to negotiate arms with foreign countries to further their careers. Done a lot of research, haven't seen that exception. Wake up America...these politicians are negotiating our future, the futures of our legacies...what world would you leave for your children? One that our forefathers gave their lives for or Obama's defeated country?
obvious

Albuquerque, NM

#15 Jul 26, 2012
Junior wrote:
<quoted text>
You're ignoring the obvious here: The weapon and the waiting period. If you're buying a standard bolt-action, standard caliber, with standard 4 or 5 round clip and willing to wait 10 days to pick up your gun, chances are you're not a nut job. Still possible but not probable.
.
I believe he reportedly started buying the firearms months ago, the handgun purchases required a 5 day wait. With the amount of premeditation and planning he obviously went thru, a 10 day wait in months-in-advance purchases would have made no difference.
whammer jammer

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Jul 26, 2012
obvious wrote:
<quoted text>
.
I believe he reportedly started buying the firearms months ago, the handgun purchases required a 5 day wait. With the amount of premeditation and planning he obviously went thru, a 10 day wait in months-in-advance purchases would have made no difference.
Then make the wait indefinite. I.e., restrict sales of these types of guns to the military and police agencies. Civilian possession of such guns should be reported for a cash reward, and the perp would be required to spend at least 10 yrs in prison. Easy answer.
Dr Longfinger

Macon, GA

#17 Jul 28, 2012
whammer jammer wrote:
<quoted text>
Then make the wait indefinite. I.e., restrict sales of these types of guns to the military and police agencies. Civilian possession of such guns should be reported for a cash reward, and the perp would be required to spend at least 10 yrs in prison. Easy answer.
Bad drugs or stupidity?
Yosh

United States

#18 Jul 29, 2012
Wondering wrote:
Why are live grenades illegal? Aren't they "arms", and therefore a right granted by the 2nd amendment??
Its not a firearm, a grenade is an explosive/destructive device.
Yosh

United States

#19 Jul 29, 2012
whammer jammer wrote:
<quoted text>
Then make the wait indefinite. I.e., restrict sales of these types of guns to the military and police agencies. Civilian possession of such guns should be reported for a cash reward, and the perp would be required to spend at least 10 yrs in prison. Easy answer.
Yeah because thats what the government wants. The civilian to be minimally armed or unarmed. Thats when they become tyrant. Good luck defending your rights with a .22. Your an idiot.
Yosh

United States

#20 Jul 29, 2012
Adglanni Tso wrote:
<quoted text>
Apples and Oranges.
Murder is murder. Dumb one.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 3
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Farmington Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
FPD Lt popped for unlawful hunting' 5 hr ODUSMC 4
Barack Obama COUNTDOWN Clock 1000 days left & c... (Apr '14) 5 hr XandO 283
Farmington commission: Restaurant did not discr... (Sep '10) 19 hr XandO 192
Random Acts of Kindness (Jun '09) Dec 17 JUST_NOBODY 4,929
Trainers aim to prevent spring sports injuries (Mar '11) Dec 15 kurtcooksalot16 4
Good Luck America Dec 12 Can it get worse 7
1 dead in officer-involved shooting near Farmin... Dec 9 Horace 8
Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]