Gun Laws Debate - Crossville, TN

Discuss the national Gun Laws debate in Crossville, TN.

Does the US need to reform its gun laws?

Crossville thinks US gun laws are fine.
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wondering

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Jul 23, 2012
 
If this means more control ovet the good hardworking citizens that do their best at keeping their families safe and of course our Hunters. But I would have to say yes if it were to change to more supervision as to who is buying them such as criminal type people. Or like assault riffles and guns of that nature should not be owned publicly at all. I dont thing it requires that much of a gun to stop an attack or that deer ya been tryin to get for 3 seasons. Haha.
Old Man

Crossville, TN

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#2
Jul 23, 2012
 
To many laws now
lilmiss

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#3
Jul 23, 2012
 
I agree with OP, couldn't have said it better myself.
Opinionated

Crossville, TN

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#4
Jul 23, 2012
 
If you think imposing stricter laws is going to effect criminals you must obviously believe that criminals obey laws now.

The majority of crimes committed with firearms are done so with stolen weapons not weapons obtained legally.

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#5
Jul 23, 2012
 
Gun don't kill people. Spoons don't make people fat.
Mobile_Amused

Simpsonville, SC

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#6
Jul 23, 2012
 
Opinionated wrote:
If you think imposing stricter laws is going to effect criminals you must obviously believe that criminals obey laws now.
The majority of crimes committed with firearms are done so with stolen weapons not weapons obtained legally.
The guy in Colorado purchased his legally.
Opinionated

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Jul 23, 2012
 
Mobile_Amused wrote:
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The guy in Colorado purchased his legally.
Knew that thanks.

My point was and still is that the "majority" of crimes...(insert the rest of my prior post)

It doesn't matter if he bought them legally or not... he had no criminal record. And let us not forget that a murderer is a murderer, some believe it's due to mental defect but I on the other hand believe otherwise. Regardless, even if they ban guns completely (which should and will never happen)he would have still acquired them through some other means. It's no secret that he meant to kill those people... he couldn't have been more cold, calculating, and methodical. Anyway I've said my piece.
Bunkum

Crossville, TN

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#8
Jul 24, 2012
 
They do a very poor job of enforcing the laws that are ALREADY in force.
Mobile_Amused

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Jul 24, 2012
 
Bunkum wrote:
They do a very poor job of enforcing the laws that are ALREADY in force.
I have NEVER been to a gun show (and I rarely miss them) when I wasn't approached by someone in the parking lot trying to sell me a gun, yet I have never heard of anyone getting into any trouble for this. I guarantee I will experience it yet again at the next show in two weeks. A good way to get rid of a murder weapon if you ask a really low price, I suppose...or purchase a murder weapon, for that matter.

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Jul 24, 2012
 
Mobile_Amused wrote:
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I have NEVER been to a gun show (and I rarely miss them) when I wasn't approached by someone in the parking lot trying to sell me a gun, yet I have never heard of anyone getting into any trouble for this. I guarantee I will experience it yet again at the next show in two weeks. A good way to get rid of a murder weapon if you ask a really low price, I suppose...or purchase a murder weapon, for that matter.
First of all it isn't against the law for two private citizens to buy or sell guns at either a gun show or any other place that having a gun is permitted. There are gun shows at which the shows policy is not to allow private sales, but that is just policy not law.

What IS illegal at a gun show or at any other time, is for an actual dealer to sell a gun w/o running a TICS/NICS check. Further more it is illegal for a private citizen to run a gun selling business w/o a FFL (Fed Firearms Lisc). The definition of a business is a bit convoluted based on the BATFs will and whim, but if I have a gun or even two or three that I wish to sell then I can sell to anyone I like unless I know that they are prohibited from buying.

BTW I don't know why anyone goes to a gun show to buy guns, I have seldom been that the guns there were priced anywhere near actual market value.
PryIt

Crossville, TN

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#11
Jul 24, 2012
 
Stupid question to debate. Vague. Reform gun laws is impossible as the laws differ from state to state. Yet, You are constitutionally given the right to bear arms. So, I suppose I have to say that we do need reform, Every American needs to strap a gun on. That will deter any criminals from starting a killing spree, as they will be shot after shooting their first victim.
There are other countries where the population is the standing army and they all have guns, and their crime rate is far below ours.

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#12
Jul 25, 2012
 
Plenty of laws on the books that do nothing to stop criminals, who are by definition people who do not obey the law.
wonder woman

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#13
Jul 25, 2012
 
Only law abiding citizens should be allowed to own guns and they should be registered.

Gun shows should not be alowing gun sales to take place in the parking lots! Unmarked officers should be conducting surveillance of the parking lots for such activity. Not only could a murderer be selling a gun, but a murderer could be buying one!

Is law enforcement allowed to patrol undercover at gun show parking lots? I would hope so! What the OP had to say about this is troubling. What is the law on selling guns in parking lots? Don't people have to register guns that they purchase regardless of where they purchase it? Just wondering.

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Jul 25, 2012
 
wonder woman wrote:
Only law abiding citizens should be allowed to own guns and they should be registered.
Gun shows should not be alowing gun sales to take place in the parking lots! Unmarked officers should be conducting surveillance of the parking lots for such activity. Not only could a murderer be selling a gun, but a murderer could be buying one!
Is law enforcement allowed to patrol undercover at gun show parking lots? I would hope so! What the OP had to say about this is troubling. What is the law on selling guns in parking lots? Don't people have to register guns that they purchase regardless of where they purchase it? Just wondering.
Most crimes are committed with stolen guns. Gun registration will not change that. Further more it isn't illegal to sell guns in a parking lot, so what exactly would law enforcement be enforcing?

Bad people do bad things. If you want to protect people then don't turn violent criminals loose. If a criminal is on the street he can commit crimes. If a person is to much of a threat to society to have access to their rights then they shouldn't be on the street. Further more as has been proven over and over again, criminals don't obey the law, and 10 out of 10 criminal prefer and unarmed/defenseless victim.
wonder woman

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#17
Jul 27, 2012
 
My question stemmed from the OP's statement that he never saw anyone get into any trouble from trying to sell guns in parking lots at gun shows. The manner in which his comments were phrased caused me to believe that it was illegal to sell guns in the parking lots.

However, if it is not illegal to sell guns in the parking lots at gun shows, than my question and comment about officers patrolling those parking lots would be irrelevant. But I do agree with the other poster that it should not be allowed since those guns could be sold or purchased by murderers or people intending to use them for some kind of crime.

I have no objections to law abiding citizens having guns. Unfortunately, law abiding citizens do commit crimes with guns on occasion such as the Colorado shooter did, but we cannot deny law abiding citizens their constitutional rights to own a gun because of the few who abuse this right. No law is ever perfect, and peoples constitutional rights should be protected.

Balanced and fair laws while protecting the rights of everyone should be the goal. At the end of the day it boils down to the fact that guns do not kill people, people kill people.

How anyone could ever physically harm another human being short of self-defense or protecting the innocent is beyond my comprehension. Lack of empathy, selfish ambition, and greed is the root of this kind of evil. When this occurs, justice should prevail to protect citizens.

Unfortunately, some murderers are not held to account, and this is a tragedy in itself. The blood of their future victims are also on the hands of those who fail society to bring such persons to justice. While the system of justice often works, it also fails us miserably at times even in the court of law. A few in Hollywood had gotten by with murder even after going through a trial. Jurors are imperfect people too, and many choose to convict or not convict based on what is presented in court versus what really happened or didn't happen.

But it's the only system we have which is why those who work in the justice system need to be held to account. Those who serve with integrity in the justice system should be commended, held in high regard, and paid appropriately. Those who do not, should be thrown out. There are some on topix that seem to disagree with this philosophy.

Gun laws are like any other law, they get abused on both sides of the fence. But I tend to lean more toward protecting the rights of law abiding citizens to own guns because I believe this will protect them and their families from the criminals when the system fails. Unfortunately criminals will always have guns because criminals don't care about the law! And the law, unfortunately, have a few criminals among them. It's been that way since the beginning of time. But we should minimize the chance of that as much as possible with pursuing laws against those that work in the judicial system but break it's laws.

What attracts people to want to own guns? Some are hunters. That's my father and my brothers. Some want them for protection from criminals. And some like the feeling of power that it gives them. That latter is more the mindset of the criminals. Criminals are obsessed with power over others. I've seen this mentality on topix too. I sometimes wonder what it would be like to disagree in person with some of the people on this website. Some people just can't stand to loose an argument. Pretty scary when you think about it. If they had "any power" over a poster with an opposing view and they were arguing in person, it's hard telling how hard it would be for them to control their anger and not get physical.

As for me, I hate violence, but I do give a good tongue lashing I'm told. I guess that's why I got called a self-righteous bitch on another thread. But that's the difference between women and men. Women are better at verbal arguments and men are more apt to end of hurting someone when their anger gets the best of them.
wonder woman

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Jul 27, 2012
 
Men are more aggressive and militant than woman are. That's why they are more guilty of committing violent crimes then women are. Crime stats support this statement in case someone wants to argue with me on this.

Just sayin...

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#19
Jul 27, 2012
 
Men are based on the statistics more likely to be violent than women, although our culture/society frowns on men who press charges on women for their violence, and often ignores it when women are violent with other women, so the stats are a bit skewed.

I do agree that the system is skewed, but if one were to question why it is that so many violent criminals are early released from prison then one might conclude that those in power either don't care about releasing violent felons OR they have another motive for early releasing violent felons.

The availability of guns in not the problem. The neutering of our society is. Don't fight back, don't arm yourself, the police will protect you..... it doesn't work and they can't. Owning a gun will not guarantee your safety, just as the lack of owning a gun will not guarantee you won't be safe. Owning a gun, learning to be proficient with it, and being prepared to defend yourself does give you a better shot (pun intended) if the need does arise.
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#21
Jul 28, 2012
 
Too many crazy and stupid people in govt., give them an inch they'll push you a mile. Give everyone a gun and 1000 rounds of ammo.
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Jamestown, TN

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Jul 28, 2012
 
SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News)- A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.

Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."

Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."

http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/bios/stor...
wonder woman

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Jul 28, 2012
 
Timbuk2 wrote:
SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News)- A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.
Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."
Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."
Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."
http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/bios/stor...
This is a perfect example how a gun in the hands of a law abiding citizen can save lives. My hat goes off the the hero in this story!

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