Gun Control Debate - Santa Cruz, CA

The purpose of guns is not to hunt. It is to protect yourself from an oppressive government.

Why would anyone in their right mind give up freedom?

Won't solve anything, criminals will still have easy access to guns via the black market. Upstanding citizens will have no real defense (a knife or pepper spray doesn't cut it when the other guy has a gun). I also enjoy recreational target shooting and shouldn't be punished because someone else uses guns in a negative way.

handguns are the most common weapons used by petty crooks.(hunting) rifles are usually used by recreational gun users for legitimate purposes and these users know how to correctly store, maintain and use their guns.

i also support banning assault weapons not covered by federal or state bans.

the original curious cat wrote:

handguns are the most common weapons used by petty crooks.(hunting) rifles are usually used by recreational gun users for legitimate purposes and these users know how to correctly store, maintain and use their guns.
i also support banning assault weapons not covered by federal or state bans.

Have you ever been assaulted by a defensive weapon? Bayonet attacks are rare, to say the least. Machine gun attacks are rare as well.
The misnomer "assault weapon" is nonsense.

I strongly oppose.

Mexico has seen an increase in violence by the U.S. guns there and an expired assault weapons ban. Assault weapons serve no useful social purpose for non-military use. The Mexican Drug Cartels are swimming in assault weapons.

Ban all military assault weapons for civilian sale.

http://www.r-bloggers.com/how-the-expiration-...

If you don't have a gun, YOU CAN'T SHOOT BACK

Or in other words wrote:

If you don't have a gun, YOU CAN'T SHOOT BACK

if you don't have a gun, you also can't shoot an innocent bystander.

Banning guns will not get them off the streets, the old saying is true, when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. Its pretty much like that now. Also it is our constitutional right. I don't own one but I don't like the government telling me I can't. We have too much government.

the original curious cat wrote:

Mexico has seen an increase in violence by the U.S. guns there and an expired assault weapons ban. Assault weapons serve no useful social purpose for non-military use. The Mexican Drug Cartels are swimming in assault weapons.
Ban all military assault weapons for civilian sale.
http://www.r-bloggers.com/how-the-expiration-...

There's no such thing as an assault weapon.
There are semi-automatic rifles that do not fire in full-automatic mode, however, and they scare Senator Feinstein.
That's why she's one of the few residents of San Francisco to be allowed a concealed weapon permit.
Not because she's a powerful politician and her life is therefore far, far more valuable than yours.
Honest.

the original curious cat wrote:

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if you don't have a gun, you also can't shoot an innocent bystander.

How about a guilty bystander?

the original curious cat wrote:

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if you don't have a gun, you also can't shoot an innocent bystander.

Can you say honestly that you believe banning guns will disarm a gang banger or any other criminal? They will always find a way to get them. I grew up with guns in the house as did most of my relatives and no by stander was ever shot. Perhaps we should ban cars, I almost was killed the other day by a texting teen while I was in the cross walk. That scares me way more than any gun.

I support Gun Control. If you shoot a gun you should know how to hit what you are shooting at.

This is a Constitutional Republic. The Supreme court has already verified that I have a Constitutional right to bear arms. Through lawsuits, I think we'll get concealed permits "shall issue" someday soon. I already carry discretely. Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

unbelieveable wrote:

<quoted text>Can you say honestly that you believe banning guns will disarm a gang banger or any other criminal? They will always find a way to get them. I grew up with guns in the house as did most of my relatives and no by stander was ever shot. Perhaps we should ban cars, I almost was killed the other day by a texting teen while I was in the cross walk. That scares me way more than any gun.

how many criminals have you and your relatives caught with your guns? honestly?

the original curious cat wrote:

Mexico has seen an increase in violence by the U.S. guns there and an expired assault weapons ban. Assault weapons serve no useful social purpose for non-military use. The Mexican Drug Cartels are swimming in assault weapons.
Ban all military assault weapons for civilian sale.
http://www.r-bloggers.com/how-the-expiration-...

You are ignorant. This propaganda put out by the Mexican government and groups that want to subvert our Constitution has been proven to be FALSE. Go look it up yourself. You are a lemming.

Curious Clueless wrote:

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You are ignorant. This propaganda put out by the Mexican government and groups that want to subvert our Constitution has been proven to be FALSE. Go look it up yourself. You are a lemming.

this was a conclusion reached by an independent statistician, not a member of the Mexican government nor a Mexican government sanctioned group.

their analysis proved violence in Mexico has increased due to availability of U.S. produced guns, particularly automatic weapons and the removal of a ban on these weapons. their analysis removed a lot of extraneous variables.

show me it has been proven to be false. the burden is on you.

Gun bans are a pre-cursor to government genocide. Read and learn:

WORLDWIDE HISTORY OF GUN CONFISCATION

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated…

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

the original curious cat wrote:

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how many criminals have you and your relatives caught with your guns? honestly?

Here's a case where an armed college student saved ten kids from 2 home invaders who intended on raping the women and killing everyone:

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6684