Gun Control Debate - Bothell, WA

Discuss the national Gun Control debate in Bothell, WA.

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Jay

Kirkland, WA

#61 Jul 29, 2012
Law wrote:
<quoted text>It's no more archaic than the 1st, 4th, 9th & 10th.
And the will of the people is moot. Judging from the number of concealed carry permit applications in Colorado and gun sales everywhere, it appears NOT to be the will of the people.
Despots on the other hand would like to see it eroded.
The Second involves inanimate objects, it would only be relevant if the guns carried today were the same guns used then. If that were the case then the 2nd amendment wouldn't need amending. Your argument is idiotic Mrs. law.
Law

Papillion, NE

#62 Jul 29, 2012
Jay wrote:
<quoted text>The Second involves inanimate objects, it would only be relevant if the guns carried today were the same guns used then.
They are. The flintlock was the "assault weapon" of its time. Now, if you'e going to be consistent, you would have to agree that today's communications mediums were not what the Founding Fathers were talkign about with respect to "free expression" vis-a-vis the First Amendment. Will you be turning off your computer soon?
Jay wrote:
If that were the case then the 2nd amendment wouldn't need amending. Your argument is idiotic Mrs. law.
As has been your whole spew NRA/Jay. How long have you been a fan of victim disarmament?
Jay

Kirkland, WA

#63 Jul 29, 2012
Law wrote:
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They are. The flintlock was the "assault weapon" of its time. Now, if you'e going to be consistent, you would have to agree that today's communications mediums were not what the Founding Fathers were talkign about with respect to "free expression" vis-a-vis the First Amendment. Will you be turning off your computer soon?
<quoted text>As has been your whole spew NRA/Jay. How long have you been a fan of victim disarmament?
Victim disarmament? I don't follow. I guess if you consider crazed gunmen victims. I don't think citizens need assault rifles. I think they should be banned. I don't consider a semi-auto handgun with a 12 round mag an assault weapon. I am also in favor of a stricter background check and waiting period for ALL, even those with CWP's. NRA???? Your argument on the first amendment is a ridiculous stretch.
Jay

Kirkland, WA

#65 Jul 30, 2012
Law wrote:
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Do you even know what an "assault rifle" is without Googling it? And when it comes to rights, need is not relevant.
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That's fine. You can think what you want. Polluticians have coerced and taught a lot of people to think what they want.
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Sure, more regualtions that have been proven ineffective. How many other rights and liberties should come with waiting periods?
<quoted text>Not at all. You're just can't be consistent, can you?
Law, you don't know how many killings have been stopped by having to wait for a firearm.
Jay

Kirkland, WA

#67 Aug 1, 2012
Law wrote:
<quoted text>And neither do you, Jay. How many criminals have ever said they didn't commit a crime because of a waiting period?
There have been many documented accounts of enraged people buying a gun and committing murder the same day, guys that catch their wives cheating, jealous boyfriend/girlfriends, people being bullied etc..... where if they would have had to wait, cooler head may have prevailed. Don't play dumb Law. It's better to err in the side of lives anyway, don't youthink?
Law

Papillion, NE

#68 Aug 3, 2012
Jay wrote:
<quoted text>Law, you don't know how many killings have been stopped by having to wait for a firearm.
And neither do you, Jay. How many criminals have ever said they didn't commit a crime because of a waiting period?
Law

Papillion, NE

#69 Aug 3, 2012
Jay wrote:
<quoted text>There have been many documented accounts of enraged people buying a gun and committing murder the same day, guys that catch their wives cheating, jealous boyfriend/girlfriends, people being bullied etc..... where if they would have had to wait, cooler head may have prevailed. Don't play dumb Law. It's better to err in the side of lives anyway, don't youthink?
There have also been documented accounts (2 I know of personally) where the guns were reither emoved from a home where the woman had to remain and although they had taken out protection orders against their respective mates (1 was a husband, the other a boyfriend), the men disobeyed the RO's and one killed the girlfriend (in fromt of 2 young children) and the other so savagely beat his wife her jaw was wired closed for weeks. She was turned down by a waiting period.
So don't play idiot, Jay. Waiting periods have never been proven to be a deterrrent to a determined abuser/killer.
Law

Papillion, NE

#70 Aug 3, 2012
Jay wrote:
<quoted text>Victim disarmament? I don't follow. I guess if you consider crazed gunmen victims. I don't think citizens need assault rifles. I think they should be banned. I don't consider a semi-auto handgun with a 12 round mag an assault weapon. I am also in favor of a stricter background check and waiting period for ALL, even those with CWP's. NRA???? Your argument on the first amendment is a ridiculous stretch.
Nope, the 1st Amendment was drafted at the same time. Keep swinging Jay...some time you might hit something.
Jay

Kirkland, WA

#71 Aug 4, 2012
Law wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, the 1st Amendment was drafted at the same time. Keep swinging Jay...some time you might hit something.
The Second amendment is archaic and not relevant 200 years later and needs ammending, it's too vague and doesn't make sense today.
Jay

Kirkland, WA

#72 Aug 4, 2012
Law wrote:
<quoted text>There have also been documented accounts (2 I know of personally) where the guns were reither emoved from a home where the woman had to remain and although they had taken out protection orders against their respective mates (1 was a husband, the other a boyfriend), the men disobeyed the RO's and one killed the girlfriend (in fromt of 2 young children) and the other so savagely beat his wife her jaw was wired closed for weeks. She was turned down by a waiting period.
So don't play idiot, Jay. Waiting periods have never been proven to be a deterrrent to a determined abuser/killer.
It's never been proven that waiting periods have not prevented crime or murder. If any doubt it's better to rule on favor of life.
Law

Papillion, NE

#73 Aug 4, 2012
Jay wrote:
<quoted text>The Second amendment is archaic and not relevant 200 years later and needs ammending, it's too vague and doesn't make sense today.
it's not archaic and has as much to do with today as it did then. It's only vague to those with problems with simple English and comprehension.
Law

Papillion, NE

#74 Aug 4, 2012
Jay wrote:
<quoted text>It's never been proven that waiting periods have not prevented crime or murder. If any doubt it's better to rule on favor of life.
So you're okay with people disarmed and not allowed to arm themselves when there is a potential threat. We know how you feel Jay. It's the guns, not the people...especially the unarmed victims.
You're obviously a big fan of prior restraint.
Frank R

Kirkland, WA

#75 Aug 5, 2012
As it has been shown in areas where there are strong gun control measures there is a increase in crimes using guns. Those who advocate gun control would seem to be of the ilk supporting a higher crime rate involving firearms. Appears that that the adage "Do not mess up my mind with the facts it's already made up"
Frank R

Kirkland, WA

#76 Aug 5, 2012
Oppose crime
Jay

Kirkland, WA

#77 Aug 5, 2012
Law, no ones talking about disarming legal handgun owners, I do think there should be a ban on assault rifles. Frank, I am in favor of stricter background checks, mandatory waiting periods and stricter penalties for violaters. I am also in favor of limiting campaign contributions for candidates, whether its the NRA or control advocates. I don't think that would make the crime rate involving guns go up. Making guns easy to acquire is not "opposing" crime in my opinion.
Law

Papillion, NE

#78 Aug 5, 2012
Jay wrote:
Law, no ones talking about disarming legal handgun owners, I do think there should be a ban on assault rifles.
I'm still waiting for you to tell us what an "assault rifle" is without googling it or regurgitating something a pollutician said about it.
When will you be doing that, Jay?
Jay wrote:
Frank, I am in favor of stricter background checks, mandatory waiting periods and stricter penalties for violaters.
Again, the waiting periods have not been proven to be effective. How much stricter do the backgroind checks have to be?
How manu other rights and liberties should require background checks, Jay?
Law

Papillion, NE

#79 Aug 5, 2012
Frank R wrote:
As it has been shown in areas where there are strong gun control measures there is a increase in crimes using guns. Those who advocate gun control would seem to be of the ilk supporting a higher crime rate involving firearms. Appears that that the adage "Do not mess up my mind with the facts it's already made up"
Jay, I have over 14 years of law enforcement experience to back me up and 12 years fo firearms training.
As for Jay? I'm not sure what his credentials are.
Thanks for the good post.
Jay

Kirkland, WA

#80 Aug 5, 2012
Law wrote:
<quoted text>Jay, I have over 14 years of law enforcement experience to back me up and 12 years fo firearms training.
As for Jay? I'm not sure what his credentials are.
Thanks for the good post.
I fought for my country, and I'm an American that's credential enough for you Law. Ot sounds like you need to google what classifies an assault rifle. Thanks for your service but don't really know if law enforcement and crime experience inNebraska is relevant. No offense, but we are talking about urban crime here.
Law

Papillion, NE

#81 Aug 5, 2012
Jay wrote:
<quoted text>I fought for my country, and I'm an American that's credential enough for you Law. Ot sounds like you need to google what classifies an assault rifle.
Still waiting for that definition, Jay!
Jay wrote:
Thanks for your service but don't really know if law enforcement and crime experience inNebraska is relevant.
They were both in Nebraska and Illionois and yes, very relevant.
Jay wrote:
No offense, but we are talking about urban crime here.
Is Cicero, Berwyn, and Oak Park, IL urban enough fo you?
And what difference does it matter vis-a-vis rural vs. urban, inner city vs. surburban? Crime is crime.

Also, I sincerely thank you for your service to our country.
Jay

Kirkland, WA

#82 Aug 7, 2012
Well Law, since you were in Law enforcement for a good amount of time and seemingly OK with anyone being able to carry handguns without more rigorous screening or able to buy an AR-15 at a sporting goods store with hundreds of rounds of ammo purchased on-line, then I will agree to disagree with you. I've seen firsthand what a .223 projectile does to the body, I don't want to see it again. I hope you or someone you love becomes a victim of your own ideals. The irony would be unfortunate.

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