Gay Marriage Debate - Yakima, WA

Tom Jamison wrote:

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Pedophiles claim the same thing. They say they were born that way. Does that mean that we must all accept and embrace their behavior? Of course not.
Why must activist homosexuals strive to usurp religious labels? They have been given the same rights as everyone else. Now they want more. They want special treatment. Gay partners now have the same rights and privileges as any heterosexual couple. They can bind themselves to a monogamous civil union if they please. They just aren't allowed to affix the label of "marriage" to it, which has always been used to describe the union of a man and a woman. I see no need to redefine the term to include unions between men and men, women and women, men and sheep, women and dogs, etc.

A person with a conviction of pedophilia (to put it correctly) poses a risk to society where as being gay doesn't

Tom Jamison wrote:

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Pedophiles claim the same thing. They say they were born that way. Does that mean that we must all accept and embrace their behavior? Of course not.
Why must activist homosexuals strive to usurp religious labels? They have been given the same rights as everyone else. Now they want more. They want special treatment. Gay partners now have the same rights and privileges as any heterosexual couple. They can bind themselves to a monogamous civil union if they please. They just aren't allowed to affix the label of "marriage" to it, which has always been used to describe the union of a man and a woman. I see no need to redefine the term to include unions between men and men, women and women, men and sheep, women and dogs, etc.

You gave an excellant example and I agree with you 100%! Marriage is and should be between a man and a woman. GOD also says homosexuality is a perversion, NOT A LIFE CHOICE. GOD made man and woman with the intention of them getting married to each other and having childre.

TomWhit wrote:

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A person with a conviction of pedophilia (to put it correctly) poses a risk to society where as being gay doesn't

Oh really? How do you think the Aids disease got started? That is definitely a risk to our society.

Bulldog wrote:

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Oh really? How do you think the Aids disease got started? That is definitely a risk to our society.

Homosexuals created the Aids disease? You've got to be kidding me. And the earth was created 10,000 years ago, right? And men lived on earth with dinosaurs? You shouldn't believe everything coming from the pulpit. If you teach your children this nonsense they will never progress beyond high school (if that far).

Whether your God condones homosexuality or not really is irrelevant when discussing laws of the country. Thankfully we do not live under a theocracy here. And I'm glad we don't. Can you imagine if a Muslim were to win the presidency, and we were then forced to live under Sharia law?

You have the right to believe as you wish. But putting forth religious arguments in a debate regarding the laws of the country just makes you look silly.

Homosexuality is against Gods law, as-well-as being just physically wrong.

Tom Jamison wrote:

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Homosexuals created the Aids disease? You've got to be kidding me. And the earth was created 10,000 years ago, right? And men lived on earth with dinosaurs? You shouldn't believe everything coming from the pulpit. If you teach your children this nonsense they will never progress beyond high school (if that far).
Whether your God condones homosexuality or not really is irrelevant when discussing laws of the country. Thankfully we do not live under a theocracy here. And I'm glad we don't. Can you imagine if a Muslim were to win the presidency, and we were then forced to live under Sharia law?
You have the right to believe as you wish. But putting forth religious arguments in a debate regarding the laws of the country just makes you look silly.

Excuse me. My daughter is in high school (and doing very well. She is an A student and will have her AA degree before she graduates from high school.)It is called the "Running Start Program". This is for students who want to work hard in high school so they can excell to the next level when they reach college.

GOD's law is relevant whether you think so or not. You make the comment "that if a Muslim were to win the presidency, and we were then forced to live under Saria law". My comment to that is that we already have a Muslim running our Country. With Obama running our country, Saria law is very big possible to happen and very close to becoming a reality. What a shame! How could we allow this to happen because we want to appease their religion? This is the United States of America. We were founded on Christian beliefs. If you don't like it then leave our Country!

Bulldog wrote:

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Excuse me. My daughter is in high school (and doing very well. She is an A student and will have her AA degree before she graduates from high school.)It is called the "Running Start Program". This is for students who want to work hard in high school so they can excell to the next level when they reach college.
GOD's law is relevant whether you think so or not. You make the comment "that if a Muslim were to win the presidency, and we were then forced to live under Saria law". My comment to that is that we already have a Muslim running our Country. With Obama running our country, Saria law is very big possible to happen and very close to becoming a reality. What a shame! How could we allow this to happen because we want to appease their religion? This is the United States of America. We were founded on Christian beliefs. If you don't like it then leave our Country!

Ok, so there you showed how truly ignorant you are. Believe me, I'm not a fan of Obama. But I do not buy into this nonsense that he is really a Muslim, destined to institute Sharia law in our country. Bigots like you are an embarrassment to conservatives and libertarians.

Regarding your child's educational opportunities, tell me, does she share your views regarding the inerrancy of the Bible? That the earth is only about 10,000 years old? That men and dinosaurs co-existed on earth at the same time?

You may feel that laws in our country should be based upon Biblical law, but thankfully the majority does not. Freedom of (or from) religion is guaranteed under the constitution. The government has no business instituting laws based upon one religion or another. If you cannot come up with a better argument than "because the Bible says so!", then I'm afraid you have lost the debate.

[QUOTE who="Don S."]Homosexuality is against Gods law, as-well-as being just physically wrong.[/QUOTE]

Yes, we understand your position. It's ok in God's eyes to own slaves and beat your wives and daughters, but homosexual behavior is a no-no. We got it. Anything else to share?

everything but..... marriage = man + woman

this world is trouble since the removal os prayer in public schools. were headed for disaster!!! one man and one woman no buts or if's.nothing to discuss..

giggles port wrote:

this world is trouble since the removal os prayer in public schools. were headed for disaster!!! one man and one woman no buts or if's.nothing to discuss..

Pretty close to the southerners response, when they learned that blacks were about to be considered free men. Yeah, they said things like "what is this world coming to", and "we're headed for disaster", and "save the white race!". Of course they didn't have a rational argument for their position, so they simply declared "there's nothing to discuss here! No if's, and's or but's!" Pretty convincing argument, wouldn't you say?

Tom Jamison wrote:

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Pretty close to the southerners response, when they learned that blacks were about to be considered free men. Yeah, they said things like "what is this world coming to", and "we're headed for disaster", and "save the white race!". Of course they didn't have a rational argument for their position, so they simply declared "there's nothing to discuss here! No if's, and's or but's!" Pretty convincing argument, wouldn't you say?

I agree with giggles. You sound like you are a racist. It doesn't matter what race we are. It matters that we all stand together to make this world come together.

Bulldog wrote:

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I agree with giggles. You sound like you are a racist. It doesn't matter what race we are. It matters that we all stand together to make this world come together.

I sound like a racist? Seriously? That's what you took away from my post, racism? You sound like a moron. My post equated the bigots opposing abolition to the bigots opposing gay marriage. I'm against bigotry in all forms, whether directed at a race or a sexual orientation. Get it there Einstein?

Tom Jamison wrote:

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I sound like a racist? Seriously? That's what you took away from my post, racism? You sound like a moron. My post equated the bigots opposing abolition to the bigots opposing gay marriage. I'm against bigotry in all forms, whether directed at a race or a sexual orientation. Get it there Einstein?

Odviously you are gay. Go for it you moran. You guys started the Aids desease!!!! I hope you don't have it.

Bulldog wrote:

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Odviously you are gay. Go for it you moran. You guys started the Aids desease!!!! I hope you don't have it.

Obviously you are a uneducated bigot. In four sentences you've managed to misspell three simple words. Obviously (not odviously), moron (not moran), and disease (not desease). You're daughter obviously must get her intellect from her mother's side.

As for me being gay, I'm happy, but not homosexual. But that doesn't mean I agree with bigots that want to discriminate against homosexuals.

As for the origin of the Aids disease, neither I, nor homosexuals, started the disease. There are two species of the virus, HIV-1 and HIV-2. The first evolved from a simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) found in chimpanzees, while the second came from an SIV in a type of monkey called the sooty mangabey. Of course, according to your religion, God created the virus to punish homosexuals. But you seem to disagree with your church teachers, and feel that some sinister group of homosexuals "started the Aids desease". Do you not understand how utterly stupid this statement is? Why would a group of homosexuals "start" a disease that mainly targets homosexuals?

Finally, thank you for hoping that I don't have the disease. I can assure you that I don't, and that I am at a very low risk of ever contracting it. Why? Because I'm a monogamous heterosexual man, married for over 20 years, with but one sexual partner, my wife.

May I suggest to you that you utilize the internet (I know you have access) to do some research, and learn a little bit about the subject on which you so vigorously opine. If you use a few facts they might serve to at least mask your idiocy.

I belive this lesbian and gay thing is just an other way of the elits taking away ower freedoms in the name of equality . If you want to be gay or lesbian go ahed but know that God dont agree with it and at the end he is the one that is going to juge all of us by ower acts eather be good or bad . But dont try to impose your life stile on my kids or my self or the world . we have to fight back .cuse behind all this is the world order leaders that want to use the gay right to slave all humanity .

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I belive this lesbian and gay thing is just an other way of the elits taking away ower freedoms in the name of equality . If you want to be gay or lesbian go ahed but know that God dont agree with it and at the end he is the one that is going to juge all of us by ower acts eather be good or bad . But dont try to impose your life stile on my kids or my self or the world . we have to fight back .cuse behind all this is the world order leaders that want to use the gay right to slave all humanity .

Time to up your medication.

Tom Jamison wrote:

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Time to up your medication.

Time to up your medication. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Period! If gays want to be together let them be together. They will be judged in the end by our GOD! GOD help you all who believe this is okay.

Obviously people should have the right to choose between being gay, lesbian, or straight. It's now legal in Washington for a reason. In America, you should have the right to choose, and that's what they are giving us. I'm straight, and female. That doesn't mean I don't believe that everyone should be able to express themselves the way they want to. If you want to be a lesbian, then that's your choice. Who are we to decide for you? Who cares if they are, I mean really? It's not your life, so why don't you just leave them alone. It annoys me when people are so completely closed minded like this, get out into the real world and go meet some different people. It would do you all good.

Jenna you dont get it do you? please one thing is for sure, people will do what ever people want , gay and lesbian have being in this world for thousands of years ,and never wanted to get merried . why now ,please open your eyes things are not what they look like . ALL this new age movement is using gay, lesbian, political power ,religions and many other organisations to creat chaos, confusion and war among humnity . They could care less about you or me ,gay lesbian ,christian or musulim or what ever polital party you from. The new world order is working to sdestroy the constitution of this nation and they are using any and evry way possible to destroy 70% of humanity . And at the end is going to be you eather serve Christjesus or denay him and assept the mark of the beast . 666 so the leaders of the gay and lesbian movement ? might not even be gay . the leaders of the musulim movment might not even be musulm . and so on and so on. we dont juge no one and God dont send any one to hell . we are going to be juge by God and is up to us if we go to heaven or hell