Gay Marriage Debate - Ukiah, CA

wondering wrote wrote:

<quoted text>...What I find even more funny is that you are saying that I voted in this matter. I have an opinion on this matter however, I do not believe in marriage so why would I vote on a marriage law? Wow, FAIL! I did not go about trying to talk people into voting one way or another....

Houyhnhnm wrote:

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It is all about you, isn't it?
You have made choices, and you still have choices open to you. Many others are not allowed to have the opportunities you have, even as horrible as your life apparently is.
You even have the choice to vote, even if it were for someone else's good. Again, not about you, so it doesn't matter. Exercising your right to vote so that someone else could have the choices you have? How self-absorbed you are. How many other "good" people couldn't be bothered?
Prop H8, though about eliminating existing law for same sex marriages, was also about the tyranny of the majority - mob rule. But I know, that didn't rate for you.
I agree. Your life must be really pathetic that you care so little for anyone else. I think I know what your children are learning from you.
The fail is yours, dear.

I really was not going to respond. Then I thought, I really want to. Please note that I stated that I didn't vote because I do not believe in marriage. So are you telling me that if I don't believe in something, I should participate anyhow? Why should I lend my name to something I do not believe in? That is not being pathetic. Pathetic is rolling with the mob. I stood to the side.
As for what my kids learn from me. Again, you really do not know much about me and how I raise my children. My children have different views on this topic than myself. We have had many conversations about the topic, their friends included. I have discussed this with my friends at length too. But it is just that, a discussion. My kids are very bright and strong minded individuals. I may not always agree with them but at the end of the day, we are family and it is all the same.
I do not demand my children cling to my point of view on any number of topics. I actually enjoy when they think differently and can support their idea with facts that they find to be a solid reason for them to believe as they do. Sometimes, they even make some excellent points.
My mind is not narrow. My children think for themselves. I will not be boxed into participating in something I do not believe in, however, I do not hold my children back.
Call me what you will. Say what you wish about me. If you knew me, you would be surprised at how open minded I am and would overlook what you are considering to be a flaw.(Unless you are the close-minded one...)
With those words, I leave you in peace... May one day you see that it is good that not everyone participate in votes such as these. They may be the ones voting against what you are fighting for. So maybe you should be looking at the ones who stayed out of it as those who did not get in your way of your cause... Just a thought.

wondering wrote:

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I really was not going to respond. Then I thought, I really want to. Please note that I stated that I didn't vote because I do not believe in marriage. So are you telling me that if I don't believe in something, I should participate anyhow? Why should I lend my name to something I do not believe in? That is not being pathetic. Pathetic is rolling with the mob. I stood to the side.

Might as well not have responded. Seems I was stuttering anyway. Yes, I am saying that a vote need not concern you personally. It could be for the equality of others, less fortunate than you. Again, I find you exceptionally self-absorbed. Me. Me. Me. Me.

wondering wrote:

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<quoted text>As for what my kids learn from me. Again, you really do not know much about me and how I raise my children. My children have different views on this topic than myself. We have had many conversations about the topic, their friends included. I have discussed this with my friends at length too. But it is just that, a discussion. My kids are very bright and strong minded individuals. I may not always agree with them but at the end of the day, we are family and it is all the same.

Yes, kids sometimes learn from their parents how not to be. I certainly eschewed my bigoted family, and no, we are not family at the end of the day because I don't/won't tolerate their hate for others. The only thing besides religion that has caused more destruction in the world is the failed belief that we owe something to someone possibly genetically related.

wondering wrote:

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<quoted text>I do not demand my children cling to my point of view on any number of topics. I actually enjoy when they think differently and can support their idea with facts that they find to be a solid reason for them to believe as they do. Sometimes, they even make some excellent points.
My mind is not narrow. My children think for themselves. I will not be boxed into participating in something I do not believe in, however, I do not hold my children back.
Call me what you will. Say what you wish about me. If you knew me, you would be surprised at how open minded I am and would overlook what you are considering to be a flaw.(Unless you are the close-minded one...)
With those words, I leave you in peace... May one day you see that it is good that not everyone participate in votes such as these. They may be the ones voting against what you are fighting for. So maybe you should be looking at the ones who stayed out of it as those who did not get in your way of your cause... Just a thought.

May one day you see that it need not concern you personally to be important. That's the bigger person you already think you are.

Houyhnhnm wrote:

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Might as well not have responded. Seems I was stuttering anyway. Yes, I am saying that a vote need not concern you personally. It could be for the equality of others, less fortunate than you. Again, I find you exceptionally self-absorbed. Me. Me. Me. Me.
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Yes, kids sometimes learn from their parents how not to be. I certainly eschewed my bigoted family, and no, we are not family at the end of the day because I don't/won't tolerate their hate for others. The only thing besides religion that has caused more destruction in the world is the failed belief that we owe something to someone possibly genetically related.
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May one day you see that it need not concern you personally to be important. That's the bigger person you already think you are.

You amaze me at how you can turn anything around and make it so different than what the original poster is stating. Have fun with that. Me and my self absorbnessed are going to go and spend some quality time with my family. Because even at the end of the day, it is not a matter of tolerating hate, I don't hate people, I may disagree or not like something someone is doing, my family and I still love one another. My daughter plans on going to a Gay Pride parade in the near future and my only statement I made to her regarding it was that she needed to stay alert because sometimes those things can turn ugly. I am more concerned for her safety. I am not worried that someone is going to soil her mind, she thinks for herself.

So you have fun with your selective little world of believing that if someone does not agree with you, they hate you and are out to get you. Honestly, if someone was physically harming another human being, regardless their life choices, I would not stand by and tolerate it. So again, have fun with your delusions.

wondering wrote:

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You amaze me at how you can turn anything around and make it so different than what the original poster is stating. Have fun with that. Me and my self absorbnessed are going to go and spend some quality time with my family. Because even at the end of the day, it is not a matter of tolerating hate, I don't hate people, I may disagree or not like something someone is doing, my family and I still love one another. My daughter plans on going to a Gay Pride parade in the near future and my only statement I made to her regarding it was that she needed to stay alert because sometimes those things can turn ugly. I am more concerned for her safety. I am not worried that someone is going to soil her mind, she thinks for herself.
So you have fun with your selective little world of believing that if someone does not agree with you, they hate you and are out to get you. Honestly, if someone was physically harming another human being, regardless their life choices, I would not stand by and tolerate it. So again, have fun with your delusions.

But you did stand by, and let it happen. Your words. Your hypocrisy. Your egocentrism. My waste of time. Bon chance.

no one should be denied civil liberties. The government should be giving integrity to the marriage contract by supporting the importance of civil unions and the commitment consequences and guidelines for all legal civil unions.

Raymond wrote:

no one should be denied civil liberties. The government should be giving integrity to the marriage contract by supporting the importance of civil unions and the commitment consequences and guidelines for all legal civil unions.

Are you saying civil unions instead of marriage for same sex couples? Marriage = Marriage. Civil Unions = Civil Unions. Separate is NOT equal - never was, never will be (Brown v. Board of Education).

As former Constitutional Law Professor Obama clearly doesn't understand that ruling, I don't know why I should expect others to understand it.

We really should have no civil benefits/responsibilities based on marriage at all - leave it in the churches, but EVERYONE should have civil unions, with very clear laws which apply to everyone, equally.

You can't get married in the church without state aproval. You can get married in the state without church aproval. Marriage should have nothing to do with god and church. It's a contract between two people that requires the staes aproval. Nothing more.

I'm not a selfish bigot.

Do you fools that support gays actually realize what it is that these fruits do?

marraige should be between a man and a women. forget about their rights marriage is man and women . end of story why are we asking about this get real people.

I believe if you love something you can hold its hand.

Quite frankly I love my cat, I will hold its hand.

Also Sherlock loves John Watson, they held hands in the latest episode cause they love eachother

ALL OTHER POINTS ARE INVALID
Good day sir.

more news john doe wrote:

marraige should be between a man and a women. forget about their rights marriage is man and women . end of story why are we asking about this get real people.

What happens when you fall in love, sir.
I was a bible banger once.
I fell in love.
It happens you know.
Love happens everyday.

MY THOUGHTS 1 wrote:

<quoted text>IT'S STILL WRONG! I DON'T CARE WHAT "RELIGION" BELIEVES, I BELIEVE WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS ME, NOTHING ELSE.

Well the bible also says that if one wears clothing made of two different materials it is a sin. also cutting your hair is a sin. I'm almost positive you do both. I believe by cutting your hair and wearing clothing made of two different materials and not going to confession about it, can be seen as you picking and choosing what to believe in the bible. Many great important people in history have been known to be gay/bi (alexander the great, julius caesar, homer, etc) does this mean that they have been sent to hell? Also, i believe killing is a sin; during war time it's legal. however, killing is killing, yet those who kill during wartime are not punished. So does this then mean (from your perspective) that the people who want to pursue love in healthy safe ways that does not involve killing or terrible atrocities is worst than those who have killed, even during war time? I believe that everyone should accept everyone. But imposing any belief on anyone and making religion a reason for a LAW is not right. I accept you and I dont hunt you down. All I ask is to be able to marry the person I fall in love with. Lastly, how does making gay marriage okay affect you negatively?

All people deserve equal civil rights! Anyone who feels others are bigoted and cruel. Very sad that this even needs to be an 'option'!

Why do people have any choice in allowing for American citizens to have civil rights? Besides, who the hell cares about what other people do with their lives! Why do so many mean, nasty people try to control other's lives?! Just let the gay people marry each other! And stay out of their business! It is not even our business as straight people. God, this topic should not even be in debate. I apologize to all of the gay people who are hurting from this. You don't deserve this struggle....It will get better!

WHY ARE WE ALLOWING DIVORCE?! Seriously, divorce should not be allowed if we are trying to preserve the "sanctity" of marriage. Anyone who has ever supported someone in their process of divorce, and then does NOT support gay marriage, is a complete prejudice hypocrite!!!!!

Just leave these poor gay people alone, bullies! Shame on you for your judgement and cruelty.

(No, I'm not too cowardly to leave a-hole comments and then hide my actual name, like most of these awful people who oppose gay rights!)

I agree with the nice people here -- just leave the gay people alone already! They have had enough suffering!

This is so great!! ALL of my roommates (and I have a lot) are supporting gay marriage!! I love living here, with so many great people who support me as a gay person! Thank you guys! And thank you to everyone else who stands up for humane rights and, ultimately, LOVE! I love you guys so much as well!

All people should have the same rights--housing, jobs, marriage, etc....