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Jun 15, 2012
 
Quantum_Locked_Angel_Sami wrote:
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No, thing is, you're already mentally insane. The question is when you'll be taken in or flat out snap because of it.
You are here only because your slime obama has gave you a false pretense he was here for you. Today he just gave away one million plus jobs to the ill-legals. The black male are 50% unemployed and he just gave the the money to the mexicans for the jobs. When is this State going to wake up on the facts!
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#929
Jun 15, 2012
 
Frigin New York wake up!! obama just gave American jobs away. he just done that for Mexican votes! Black America Males are at 50% unemployed. You need to wake up! He is not for America or Blacks, but only himself! If you all cannot see that after today, then we as America has failed!

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#930
Jun 26, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Have times always change for the better? Are you better off than you were four years ago?
Same sex marriage can bring horrible backlash and scapegoating down on homosexuals; it might be the worst thing to ever happen to them.
There was scapegoating toward the blacks when they got to vote, and got "equal" rights. Does that mean they shouldn't have aimed for fair and equal treatment? The same can be said of women. It's NO different for gays. End of story.

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You are so believing you are so tough here on the internet. How many supports have you got? A bunch of non-Christians who say they will look the other way! A Christian can not agree with your hate and how you are against the Bible. You have no proof of your beliefs, only slander toward Christians. You state lack of records. Where are the records that you must be acknowledge?
http://www.skeptictank.org/files/american/pri... If you want the information about us being less than 1% of the prison population. And I DO have many Christian, Jewish, and Muslim friends who DO agree that religion should remain a personal choice, and hate how it is used to control the masses when so many people are NOT religious or share different beliefs. I have a /lot/ of supporters, both online and in reality, and they range from highly faithful in whatever religion they may be a part of, to agnostic and atheist like myself. It's a matter of separating actual CHOICE from natural fact. Now, as for that link I have sent you, if you don't click it for fear it is some virus, fine, but keep in mind, this is only ONE document of HUNDREDS online and in magazine/news articles that document this study. This particular one says atheists without ANY previous religious training(unlike myself who was raised in a religious home) in prison calculate at about 1/10 of 1%, while the whole collection of atheists is less than 1/3 of 1%...THAT is a scary, but revealing fact. Point is, I haven't stated a lack of records. Not ONCE. You just refuse to believe the facts that are EASILY accessible if you bothered to search.

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Jun 26, 2012
 
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There was scapegoating toward the blacks when they got to vote, and got "equal" rights. Does that mean they shouldn't have aimed for fair and equal treatment? The same can be said of women. It's NO different for gays. End of story.
You're comparing voters rights to a sexual perversion? Boy, you libs sure are a desperate crew...

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Jun 26, 2012
 
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You are here only because your slime obama has gave you a false pretense he was here for you. Today he just gave away one million plus jobs to the ill-legals. The black male are 50% unemployed and he just gave the the money to the mexicans for the jobs. When is this State going to wake up on the facts!
Yes...let's take issue with illegal immigrants when this entire COUNTRY was based on tearing people from their homeland and destroying a great deal of their culture...Not to mention, stealing ANOTHER people from their homeland to come here and ADD to the hell that the immigrants started...Honestly, you're going to toss the "Ill-legals" thing in here? You have MAJOR problems. When are the crazies of America going to wake up and stop being bigoted arses?

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Jun 26, 2012
 
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You're comparing voters rights to a sexual perversion? Boy, you libs sure are a desperate crew...
It's not perversion...It's part of who/what a person IS...Deal with it. Sorry, but you can't deny someone equal rights because of their gender, or their skin, and sexuality is JUST as much a fact of someone's biology. Really, do some research and get back to me.

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Jun 26, 2012
 
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Yes...let's take issue with illegal immigrants when this entire COUNTRY was based on tearing people from their homeland and destroying a great deal of their culture...Not to mention, stealing ANOTHER people from their homeland to come here and ADD to the hell that the immigrants started...Honestly, you're going to toss the "Ill-legals" thing in here? You have MAJOR problems. When are the crazies of America going to wake up and stop being bigoted arses?
Typical "America is evil!" liberal answer. And we wonder why this country is on the decline when the answer is right in front of our eyes, that being that the democrat mindset is rotting America from the inside out.

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Jun 26, 2012
 
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It's not perversion. Really, do some research and get back to me.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.c...

"Sexual perversions are conditions in which sexual excitement or orgasm is associated with acts or imagery that are considered unusual within the culture."

Homosexuality certainly falls well within this scope.

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Jun 27, 2012
 
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There was scapegoating toward the blacks when they got to vote, and got "equal" rights. Does that mean they shouldn't have aimed for fair and equal treatment?
No, racial differences are insignificant and unimportant, they are no justification for disenfranchisement.

Genders are unequal, that's how they work. It takes male and female to procreate. The government has a vital interest in procreation. Society creates an ideal model for marriage out of culture, not law. The government has no right to disregard gender diversity in marriage; that would be like returning to segregation. We don't want a hate driven political class.

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The same can be said of women. It's NO different for gays. End of story.
Gays have always married under the same laws as everyone else. There is no law against anyone going to New York for a same sex marriage; it just isn't recognized by the government so the taxpayers aren't liable.

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Jun 27, 2012
 
Scapegoating and backlash are real historical forces.

If you care about gays, keep marriage between husband and wife. Please.

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Jun 28, 2012
 
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http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.c...
"Sexual perversions are conditions in which sexual excitement or orgasm is associated with acts or imagery that are considered unusual within the culture."
Homosexuality certainly falls well within this scope.
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It does NOT fall into that scope! The point of me asking you to do research is to find actual proof of THAT claim, not some REALLY stupid, FAKE dictionary definition. There is NO sexual perversion that ends in "sexuality". ie: pedoPHILIA, zooPHILIA/beastiality, INCEST, etc...THESE are sexual perversions. NATURAL sexualities end in SEXUALITY ie: homoSEXUALITY, biSEXUALITY, panSEXUALITY, heteroSEXUALITY, aSEXUALITY, etc...Legitimate sexualities, as defined by science and natural law are not wrong. In nature, JUST as in humanity, being gay/bi/pan/etc...is not wrong. It's just biological fact. However, beastiality/pedophilia/incest spring from psychosis or sociopathy. Either having some sort of mental disorder without reason(psychosis) or having a mental disorder WITH reason(sociopathy). They may just be sexually obsessed and go after anything to get off, or they have some past history, such as being molested by a family member or by someone else as a child, or things of the like. This doesn't excuse the crime, but it does explain the psychosis. Homosexuality is NEITHER of these things. It is VERY well proven and documented to be a fact of the person's biology. Where /exactly/ it comes from is still unknown, but it IS a fact that we KNOW it is natural. There is too much evidence, just as there is for evolution, that it is NOT a choice or a perversion. Sexuality is just a person's attraction to a specific gender, both genders, or no one at all. It's not a crime, and it's not a disease. The only diseases here are hatred, ignorance, and hypocrisy. Good day, sir...Oh...I leave you with this video, explaining sexuality and the FACTS that have been known for ages (yes it's a cartoon, but deal with it, it is 100% fact, as proven by science.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Jun 28, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, racial differences are insignificant and unimportant, they are no justification for disenfranchisement.
Genders are unequal, that's how they work. It takes male and female to procreate. The government has a vital interest in procreation. Society creates an ideal model for marriage out of culture, not law. The government has no right to disregard gender diversity in marriage; that would be like returning to segregation. We don't want a hate driven political class.
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<quoted text>Gays have always married under the same laws as everyone else. There is no law against anyone going to New York for a same sex marriage; it just isn't recognized by the government so the taxpayers aren't liable.
Ugh, but THAT is the exact reason we're fighting for what's RIGHT!!! Everyone deserves the same rights, and for them to at LEAST be FULLY recognized by ALL 50 states. And you're RIGHT, the government has no right to DISREGARD gender diversity in marriage. You know what that statement means? EVERYONE should be able to be married REGARDLESS OF THE GENDER(S) INVOLVED! Gender diversity is not just saying "ONLY men and women can marry and have fair and equal rights THROUGHOUT their country" It is saying that ALL marriages between two unrelated adults is to be 100% recognized by ALL facets of the law! You say nothing but the SAME crap adnauseum, and it's REALLY contradictory a great deal of the time to your side of the argument. Please get off this forum and do something PRODUCTIVE with you life, like leaving people live, love, and MARRY as they please. What you fight for is DESTRUCTIVE and HATEFUL. That is all.

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Jun 28, 2012
 
No, "[e]veryone doesn't deserve[] the same rights", the stupid aren't equal to the smart and the lazy aren't entitled to the same things as the industrious.

Men and women are different so marriage is male/female. Go figure.

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#943
Jun 29, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
No, "[e]veryone doesn't deserve[] the same rights", the stupid aren't equal to the smart and the lazy aren't entitled to the same things as the industrious.
Men and women are different so marriage is male/female. Go figure.
Uh, yeah, they do...Deal with it. If you don't like equal rights, move somewhere they /don't/ promise them. This country does just that and will SOON wake up to reality. If you don't like it too bad. At least SOME people in this argument have brains in place of hate and lies replacing ACTUAL facts.(Hint: Those people don't include you)

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Jun 29, 2012
 
Marriage is only between husband and wife in the Constitutions and law of more than 30 states. DOMA is the law of the land, it hasn't been repealed or overturned by the Supreme Court.

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Jun 30, 2012
 
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Marriage is only between husband and wife in the Constitutions and law of more than 30 states. DOMA is the law of the land, it hasn't been repealed or overturned by the Supreme Court.
DOMA is nothing but hate and bigotry. It is WRONG and it needs to be abolished. You keep tossing the same STUPID argument, and it forces me to do the same...DOMA IS NO BETTER THAN THE ANTI-INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE CRAP FROM DECADES AGO!!! LOVE IS LOVE!!! DO NOT DENY LEGAL UNION ON EQUAL TERMS IT IS NOTHING BUT INSANITY, CRUELTY, AND PROOF OF YOUR HATRED FOR YOUR FELLOW MAN. IF THAT CAN'T GET THROUGH YOUR HEAD, GET OFFLINE AND GET A F*CKING LIFE!!!((Sorry I wrote in all caps, but you won't EVER listen, so why not give this a try? It won't work, but screw it. You're pathetic, and EVERYONE knows it. Get off this site and stop defending DOMA and it's EVIL))
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Jul 3, 2012
 
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DOMA is nothing but hate and bigotry.
morons with no argument scream "bigot"
It is WRONG and it needs to be abolished. You keep tossing the same STUPID argument, and it forces me to do the same...DOMA IS NO BETTER THAN THE ANTI-INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE CRAP FROM DECADES AGO!!! LOVE IS LOVE!!! DO NOT DENY LEGAL UNION ON EQUAL TERMS IT IS NOTHING BUT INSANITY, CRUELTY, AND PROOF OF YOUR HATRED FOR YOUR FELLOW MAN. IF THAT CAN'T GET THROUGH YOUR HEAD, GET OFFLINE AND GET A F*CKING LIFE!!!((Sorry I wrote in all caps, but you won't EVER listen, so why not give this a try? It won't work, but screw it. You're pathetic, and EVERYONE knows it. Get off this site and stop defending DOMA and it's EVIL))
scatterbrained homobabble.

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Jul 3, 2012
 
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DOMA is nothing but hate and bigotry.
DOMA:
Section 2. Powers reserved to the states
No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.
Section 3. Definition of marriage
In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word 'marriage' means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word 'spouse' refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.

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It is WRONG and it needs to be abolished.
Vice President Joe Biden voted to enact it into law; vote him out of office in November if you like.

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Quantum_Locked_Angel_Sami wrote:
You keep tossing the same STUPID argument, and it forces me to do the same.
Law isn't a "STUPID" argument; precedent and law are on our side.

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Quantum_Locked_Angel_Sami wrote:
..DOMA IS NO BETTER THAN THE ANTI-INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE CRAP FROM DECADES AGO!!!
DOMA has NOTHING to do with race. Racial differences are insignificant and unimportant but gender differences are wonderful and essential to the survival of the human race.

Down with unisex social experimentation; keep marriage male/female. Gender diversity is good in marriage and gender segregation isn't good for marriage.

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Quantum_Locked_Angel_Sami wrote:
LOVE IS LOVE!!!
Song titles aren't rational argument. All they have is emotion; compelling but not conclusive.

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Quantum_Locked_Angel_Sami wrote:
DO NOT DENY LEGAL UNION ON EQUAL TERMS IT IS NOTHING BUT INSANITY, CRUELTY, AND PROOF OF YOUR HATRED FOR YOUR FELLOW MAN.
This is about the money, they want entitlements, to create new beneficiaries. This is bad for society, bad for homosexuals and bad for everyone else.

We can't afford the benefits given to husband and wife that bear our future. Stop this new socialization of marriage. Down with pander to sexual predilection special interest demagogic politicians.

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IF THAT CAN'T GET THROUGH YOUR HEAD, GET OFFLINE AND GET A F*CKING LIFE!!!
Right back at'cha.

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((Sorry I wrote in all caps, but you won't EVER listen, so why not give this a try?
I'm sorry for the way Sami writes too.

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It won't work, but screw it. You're pathetic, and EVERYONE knows it. Get off this site and stop defending DOMA and it's EVIL))
See the above to read the hate. I never write anything against gays or lesbians; Sami is a cyberbully.

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Jul 7, 2012
 
Law WAS against blacks being able to vote, women being able to vote, interracial marriage and so on. Fact is, law is still evolving for the better. The problem is, people like you spread your hate. You HAVE said that gays shouldn't be able to marry or adopt like straight people. THAT is hate speech alone. Sexuality is NOT a reason to ban marriage or segregate adoptive rights. I have NEVER been a bully, in ANY aspect, and I NEVER will be. Bullies are the ones taking away rights, or keeping them from people who have done NOTHING wrong. Just because someone was BORN gay does NOT mean it's okay to steal any hope they could have to marry. It's heartless, cruel and frankly plain, outright EVIL to keep people from the basic RIGHT of being equally, LEGALLY bound to the one they love if they so choose. That is a 100% fact, but people like you have to fine your pathetic loopholes and blatantly cheat others out of their need, rights and equality.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men ((Meaning humanity as a whole, NOT the males alone)) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." If you don't like this FACT of our country's existence, too bad. We are all EQUAL according to our Declaration of Independence, so why the hell should we not ACT like it? Let's actually LET everyone have their pursuit of happiness. It doesn't hurt ANYONE to let two men or two women marry each other, so why should you fight it? Just let people love and be who they are. YOU are the bully for fighting love and equality, NOT me.

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