Gay Marriage Debate - Lepanto, AR

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it is an abomination. God looks down on it.

American citizens ALL deserve equal rights under the constitution.

God looks down on lots of things, that's between God and whoever.But the constitution garuntees equal rights for ALL Americans,if you stand by while someone elses rights are denied then you have no complaint when yours are.

I don't know what the multiple post is all about.

the constitution as great as it is does not trump the bible.If it is wrong in the sight of god then it's wrong period.

That may be what YOU think Uncle hersc,but there's a lot of your fellow Americans thats content to leave all that to the good Lord.Hell,even the good Lord hisself said "give unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and unto the Lord what is his."he also said "love thy neighbor as thyself" and something about a splinter in your brothers eye when they's a cane pole stickin out of yourn.In short,as long as you aint beddin down with any fellers,you aint got a dog in that fight.The Bible don't say anywhere in it that it's yours or my business to go punishing folks for their sins.When a man and woman get married thats supposed to be it till the death of one or the other but that aint a rule many folks get worked up over.And last but not least,untill he comes down here and does the trumpin for hisself,the best we can do is be as fair and good to each other as we can.

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citizen wrote:

it is an abomination. God looks down on it.

Am I the only Christian on the planet who read the little part where JESUS says that the old testament is no longer God's will? If Leviticus is still the law, then we are all in hot water. When was the last time YOU burned a bull upon the altar? And how many of you, in this small farming town, have never touched the flesh of a dead pig? Personally, I love bacon. If God still hates it, well... He loves the blood of His only son more than he hates bacon. I think that means I will be just fine. Hope you will too!

Captain Redneck wrote:

That may be what YOU think Uncle hersc,but there's a lot of your fellow Americans thats content to leave all that to the good Lord.Hell,even the good Lord hisself said "give unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and unto the Lord what is his."he also said "love thy neighbor as thyself" and something about a splinter in your brothers eye when they's a cane pole stickin out of yourn.In short,as long as you aint beddin down with any fellers,you aint got a dog in that fight.The Bible don't say anywhere in it that it's yours or my business to go punishing folks for their sins.When a man and woman get married thats supposed to be it till the death of one or the other but that aint a rule many folks get worked up over.And last but not least,untill he comes down here and does the trumpin for hisself,the best we can do is be as fair and good to each other as we can.

Interesting judgement here captain. How many dogs do you have in this fight? By the way it is spelled "CAESAR"!

Well I prichate that cousin,I sure did have that wrong.But I won't ever again you can believe that.Was that a judgement or an opinion?I have no authority to judge but other than the Caeser thing what's incorrect in there? If not for that constitution uncle herscel might not even know what a bible is, let alone what it says.that's my dog. How bout you jimmy? you got any dogs or jokes to share?

hey captian, really you make a good arguement. does the bible not tell us to fight sin wherever we find it? this is just my opinion, i belive that as christians it is our duty to fight sin and the bible is very explecit on man laying with man. i dont think lepanto is a hotbed of gay marriage, but one is more than god approves of. i know you know the framers of the const. did not intend for it to be read this way

Thank you Unc.I'd say there's plenty of sin to fight without breaking up families,causing children and "partners" to go without insurance,lose their inheritance or rights as next of kin.I believe that's creating sin too,or at least hardship where it didn't need to be,thats gotta count against you somehow.A lot of us could spend our whole lives just battling the sin in our own hearts and still lose.But you see,I'm not a christian so it's a non issue with me,going with civil unions should make it a non issue with people of faith.That gets you out of supporting sin and puts the gay question back between the good Lord and the gay sinner.The sin of homosexuality is more obvious but not more serious than any other.Them folks has just been easy targets for folks for too long.I can't see God holding it against you that you treated your neighbors fairly even if he is gonna burn 'em for eternity.

captian, civil unions may solve the legal problem, true, but i agree that this sin is no better or worse than any other sin. are we as a "christian" nation to condone this abmonation? children? truley gay people are incapable of having children. women who are TRULY gay would not want any part of a man and men the same with women. so are we to belive that these people are truly gay or is this just a convenient way for them to have their cake and eat it to.(no pun intended)

I can't stand it when people cherry pick the bible. Leviticus was God's law, given to Moses, to be applied to the Israelites whom Moses led out of Egypt.

Leviticus 18
1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.
3: After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.
4: Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.

These laws were directed at the Israelites because they had made a covenant with God. Later, in Hebrews 8, this is mentioned again.

[6] But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
[7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
[13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God wrote a new covenant, and He wrote it in BLOOD. A covenant where man can be forgiven. These verses plainly state that the old law is no longer valid.

Instead of passing judgement on an entire group of people, you should instead realize that every man and woman is capable of both good and evil. There is certainly sin in the homosexual community. Casual sex, drug abuse, frequent changing of partners, vanity... However, all those sins occur in the heterosexual community also.

A person can be gay and still be a "good" person. God sees everything that a person is, instead of only seeing one aspect of the person. He knows the truth of what is inside their heart.

I believe that allowing homosexuals to marry would actually increase the virtue inside their community. Instead of constantly swapping partners, over time we would see homosexual couples who were seeking monogamous relationships.

That is not relevant to this issue however. If the U.S.A. is a "christian nation", then why do we have freedom of religion? A "Christian Nation" would have a mandatory "State Religion". This country was founded on Christian values, but it was religious intolerance that caused many of the original pilgrims to seek a new life.

This is the "Land of the Free". Not the "Land where you can be free if you live by Christian rules". I don't personally want to have anyone's sexuality shoved in my face. I don't want to see two ANYones making out on the street corner. While you may see it as your God given right to save every soul on earth, you have no legal right to discriminate.

I'm just wasting time though. I'm sure most of the "God fearing american MAN's" in Lepanto would prefer rounding up all these damn queers and putting them over in "The Woods" with all the "darkies". Some shit never changes, no matter how moronic it is...

jason, i would be very intersted in reading any verse in the bible, (that you could please point out to us morons) that condones homosexual activity.

I think who a person shares their life, bedroom, or whatever is their own personal business. It may not be what God or people think is the "right" thing to do, but there are numerous other acts that people commit that are not "right" in peoples eyes. The people that choose to live this way will face God for themselves. As for a "christion " fighting evil, calling these people names and condemning them is not a very "christian like" approach. God is love and the only way to draw men to him, is with love. Not the hate that is displayed be some people.

uncle herschel wrote:

captian, civil unions may solve the legal problem, true, but i agree that this sin is no better or worse than any other sin. are we as a "christian" nation to condone this abmonation? children? truley gay people are incapable of having children. women who are TRULY gay would not want any part of a man and men the same with women. so are we to belive that these people are truly gay or is this just a convenient way for them to have their cake and eat it to.(no pun intended)

I like you herschel. To be able to disagree without being disagreeable is a rare quality,one I wish I shared with you, and I thank you for it.But I must tell you that a lot of what you've said is wrong.We are a nation of christians no doubt,but we are not and cannot be, a christian nation.And thats a good thing,look at how people live in "muslim nations".It's not Islam that causes the unjust laws,misery,hatred,ignorance and violence that control and destroy lives in those places.It's the power given to a religion,any religion,weiled by men in the name of God that corrupts.That's why I'm happy to live in a nation of christians but would die fighting to prevent this from becoming a christian nation.

Now on to condoning abominations.We don't go after liars or adulterers,churches would be vacant,we don't shut down red lobster or stone hog farmers because eating pork is an abomination to God too. And last but most certainly not least is love of money.It is because of money,not religion,that the U.S. was created in the first place.So why this focus on the "abomination" of homosexuality? I think because there are relatively few openly gay people,especially in the past,they can be villified and ostrasized without much concern from society at large.Of course gay people can have children,thats just silly hersch. The desire to have children is as strong in most gays as in straights.And a lot of gay people went against their nature and married/had children in an attempt to fit into a society that won't allow them to be who they are.Much of the indiscriminate, annonomous and "nasty" sexual behaviour engaged in by many gays is because our society forces them to hide and slip around not because they want to.Finally, I wouldn't call being gay in America convenient in any way.