Gay Marriage Debate - Las Vegas, NV

Marriage is a fundamental right that belongs to ALL Americans. It cannot be taken away because of animus and/or religious reasons. Every citizen should have the right to marry the person who they find to be the most compatible; spiritually, emotionally *and* sexually. The religious right has no authority to impose it's morality on the public.

Marriage, I believe, is a failing institution. People get married for the wrong reasons and many end in disaster. Promises broken, children suffer in broken families, fiscal and legal headaches.

The gay community should think hard about what it is they want from marriage. Otherwise they will have trouble with it too.

It's an abomination against God.

natoregonian419 wrote:

It's an abomination against God.

I don't worship the same god you do, obviously, and in this country we are guaranteed 1. freedom of or FROM religion and 2. that this country will NOT pass laws based on any one religion. If the United States passed a law banning gay people from marrying each other (same-sex marriage) simply because a certain religion says it's a sin, then the U.S. is violating the first amendment to the constitution.

If you feel that it's "abomination", then don't marry someone of the same sex.

BTW, are you aware of all the other things listed as "abomination" in the old testament? Do you adhere to ALL of those laws, or just that one in Lev 18:22?

Here in Vegas wrote:

Marriage, I believe, is a failing institution. People get married for the wrong reasons and many end in disaster. Promises broken, children suffer in broken families, fiscal and legal headaches.
The gay community should think hard about what it is they want from marriage. Otherwise they will have trouble with it too.

It's a given that many marriages are entered into for the wrong reasons, and that many marriages are doomed from the moment the rice is thrown.

That's no reason to deny a segment of the population the fundamental right to marry, though.

ltndncr59 wrote:

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I don't worship the same god you do, obviously, and in this country we are guaranteed 1. freedom of or FROM religion and 2. that this country will NOT pass laws based on any one religion. If the United States passed a law banning gay people from marrying each other (same-sex marriage) simply because a certain religion says it's a sin, then the U.S. is violating the first amendment to the constitution.
If you feel that it's "abomination", then don't marry someone of the same sex.
BTW, are you aware of all the other things listed as "abomination" in the old testament? Do you adhere to ALL of those laws, or just that one in Lev 18:22?

Well then I guess I can use the scientific reasons. One, homosexuals have a higher risk of dying from AIDS and contracting all other sorts of biological beasties. Two, a homosexual "couple" CANNOT produce their OWN child if they want one, and three, they are simply NOT biologically compatable. The rectum is a WASTE container, and a woman doesn't have the NATURAL apendage to please her partner. Simple as that.

=compatible

Oh and Yes, I am VERY aware of the other abominations in the Mosaic Books of Law (Exodus to Deuteronomy). However, even though Christ said He came as the fulfillment of the Law and the New Testament came into order (rendering the old Mosaic Laws moot), homosexuality was not excused, nor was witchcraft, idolatry or lying.

1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (King James Version)

8. Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


I think that pretty much says it if you wish to use Biblical referencing.

Differences between men and women matter both spiritually and physically, for without the complementarity between a man and a woman on all levels, the deepest forms of union are not possible. The unity possible to two men or two women will be necessarily lopsided, both spiritually and anatomically, and therefore ultimately unsatisfying. Two men together cannot capture the fullness of human personhood, and neither can two women; for that, you need one man and one woman. However exclusive, unconditional and permanent same-sex relationships may.aspire to be, they lack the complementarity that the deepest fulfillment requires. This fact may explain some of the amazing sexual behavior in the homosexual subculture.

It's the right thing to do. Gay marriage poses no threat to heterosexual marriage or society in general.

Marriage doesn't belong to the state. It belongs to two hearts who love one another and want to make a life together.

This isn't a theocracy. Quit pretending it is. It is more important for people to love who they want than to cram a narrow-minded belief system on everyone from Talibangelical hypocrites.

What makes the government think they are in charge of telling people whom they can fall in love with?

Equal rights for all

Marriage is a contract between people that love each other. Heterosexuals have no monopoly on love.

natoregonian419 wrote:

<quoted text>Well then I guess I can use the scientific reasons. One, homosexuals have a higher risk of dying from AIDS and contracting all other sorts of biological beasties. Two, a homosexual "couple" CANNOT produce their OWN child if they want one, and three, they are simply NOT biologically compatable. The rectum is a WASTE container, and a woman doesn't have the NATURAL apendage to please her partner. Simple as that.

1. Worldwide, there are more heterosexuals suffering from HIV/AIDS than there are homosexuals. HIV/AIDS is NOT a "gay" disease. Have YOU been tested? That said, Do we deny marriage to those with diseases? And to stop the spread of HIV/AIDS would it not make sense to encourage monogamous, stable relationships?
2. Marriage is not, and never has been predicated upon procreation in this country. Are you suggesting that infertile men and barren women also be barred from marriage? How about a couple that has no intention of having children? You realize that federal prisoners with no conjugal rights and no chance for parole are allowed the basic civil right of marriage?
3. You seem to be under the impression that anal sex is exclusive to homosexuals. Well, the next time you're in Deja Vu, check out the amount of DVDs that are devoted to that particular past-time. You hardly have the right or the knowledge to dictate how I receive my pleasure. And your feeling of "ickiness" is no reason to deny me my rights as an American citizen. If you don't like what I do in the bedroom, don't take part and don't watch.

natoregonian419 wrote:

Oh and Yes, I am VERY aware of the other abominations in the Mosaic Books of Law (Exodus to Deuteronomy). However, even though Christ said He came as the fulfillment of the Law and the New Testament came into order (rendering the old Mosaic Laws moot), homosexuality was not excused, nor was witchcraft, idolatry or lying.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (King James Version)
8. Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
I think that pretty much says it if you wish to use Biblical referencing.

Once again, your Bible is not the basis for civil law in this country, and neither is being able to get into heaven a rationale for granting fundamental rights, or withholding them.

That said, your little clobber phrase from Corinthians is mis-translated. The word that is translated in your version of the Bible as "homosexuals" is, in Koine Greek, the word "arsenokoites" which is a word that Paul made up. It is used in one other verse in the New Testament, and appears no where in any of the literature of Paul's time. In both instances, in the New Testament, Paul uses the word in a list, which offers no context as to the meaning of the word. For example: Green, Orange, Blue, Fleeber. From the context of the list, what color is "Fleeber?" No way to tell is there, or even if "fleeber" IS a color. There were words to define men who have sex with men, do not have sex with women and are not infertile in Koine Greek; Paul used none of those words and instead chose to invent one. The word has also been translated as "masturbators."

natoregonian419 wrote:

Oh and Yes, I am VERY aware of the other abominations in the Mosaic Books of Law (Exodus to Deuteronomy). However, even though Christ said He came as the fulfillment of the Law and the New Testament came into order (rendering the old Mosaic Laws moot), homosexuality was not excused, nor was witchcraft, idolatry or lying.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (King James Version)
8. Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
I think that pretty much says it if you wish to use Biblical referencing.

BTW, your new Testament also says that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

What's your net worth?

It goes against the Bible and what God says about homosexuals being an abomination. God created man and woman he united them from the beginning also took the animals by pairs of female and male to be saved in the ark.

I'm amazed how many people feel the way they do about what someone who has nothing to do with them feels. This natorego----- go fuck yourself I know for a fact that most men have asked their wives, partners, girlfriends etc...etc... to let them have anal sex. Gee didn't you say it's not normal. Then you are not a man. 2ndly, I hope you're put into a precarious situation where a gay or lesbian person has to get you out of it and they are the only ones available so you can say "I don't believe in your lifestyle or rights" don't help me and let me be in pain even if I die. You preach that you are a man of god like most others do and it is said that god created everything and that makes gay and lesbian people also part of god's image. Be intelligent all of you that the majority of child molesters, rapists, and murderers are straight people. Has anyone also read the paper or seen the news it is those people that say they are devoted to god molesting children in god's own house. Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time. It is not unnatural, it is not wrong, it is not an abomination, you probably are because I am sure you are a hypocrite. Yes it's true that most people wish that their kin not be gay and that's because of the pain and tragedy that society places on those that are without good cause. I am also amazed at when you see protesters against homosexuality they themselves look like they are inbred!!! Faith isn't protesting at funerals, faith is not denouncing god's creations, faith is not going to church saying you're righteous and practicing evil in the world when you aren't there. By the way read your medical journals, JAMA is a good start, the bisexual and straight communities are now the ones at highest risk because they are dogs who cheat with everyone and pass things along. It is not a gay disease, it is something terrible. You are cruel, indecent and deserve god's fear put into you for thinking the horrible things you do and so does everyone else who supports and feels your thoughts. My Godfather is a Reverend in New York and helps run a major hospital and god bless him and the people who on a daily basis risk their lives to save others. You may not want them to because they are gay. I wouldn't touch you to scratch you and god bless your wife if you have one because you seem like such an ass and I could imagine what she goes through.