Gay Marriage Debate - Independence, KS

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Since: Dec 08

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#368
Mar 24, 2011
 
I've never been more impressed and encouraged with the love, compassion, understanding, acceptance and overall tolerance that's developing in our nation's heartland.

You folks are going a great job of realizing the importance of extending civil marriage rights to ALL legal couples, regardless of their sexual orientation.

Thanks for showing those of us on the coast that Kansas, Oklahoma and other mid-western states are living up to the Promise of America for ALL people!

We love you!!! And if you ever want to visit the west coast, or the East coast, our doors, and hearts are opened to you!
wally515

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#369
Mar 24, 2011
 
Heart and Soul wrote:
<quoted text> Had you studied homosexuality, you would know it is not a choice people make. They could choose to deny themselves, but not what they are or their chemical make-up. The difference (since you can't see it) between a child molester and a homosexual is the child molester HURTS ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, while a homosexual just wants to quietly live their God-given life without forcing you to join their cause.
Maybe you missed my point. My point is they do have a CHOICE. Everyone is affected by thier chemical makeup. ALL have urges and desires. Child molesters, Arsonists, Addicts, those who cheat on their spouse, those that over eat....all these are affected daily by their chemical make up and all have one thing in common. They have a CHOICE to deny self or endulge self. All of these CHOICE's have consequences. Some are outright illegal, some have long lasting social and economical consequences. Homosexual acts used to be illegal. Being a child molester is still illegal, being an addict is not illegal but the behavior that is involved with it is in some cases. My point is this. Homosexuals have a choice. Decriminalizing the behavior/CHOICE was not enough. Now they want to feel legitimized by having the priveledge of being lawfully married. As Kat says above, it is absolutely none of my business what they do in private. But it is my business when they start changing the law to suite thier lifestyle choices. I do not want those who CHOOSE to be molesters or Arsonists or Bigamist, or any other anti social lifestyle choice to be legitimized by amending our laws to justify their choices. Backwards as it may sound to the new age of live and let live, thats how I feel. What was WRONG a century ago is still WRONG today...at least for me.

Since: Dec 08

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#370
Mar 24, 2011
 
Wally, you're probably a nice guy, as you are fairly alone in your stance of opposing marriage equality, without inserting inflammatory words like 'pervert'/'abnormal'/'deviant' /'disgusting' and the rest of the hate adjectives many who oppose just seem to love to splash out there ... so thank you, for couching your opposition in a manner in which one can respond, without defense mechanisms in full gear.

I'd like to address your comments below, one by one:
wally515 wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you missed my point. My point is they do have a CHOICE. Everyone is affected by thier chemical makeup.
Yes, gays and lesbians have a choice. Our choice is to be honest with you and others about our sexual orientation, or to lie to you, others and our families about it, and hide it.

More and more gays and lesbians are choosing honesty.
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ALL have urges and desires.
Yes - we do. Being gay, is no different than being straight, or being bisexual. We are - what we are.

Lying about our sexuality, OR
Hiding our sexuality, OR
Repressing our sexuality, OR
Ignoring our sexuality,
... will NOT CHANGE who we are! We will still be gay.
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Child molesters, Arsonists, Addicts, those who cheat on their spouse, those that over eat....all these are affected daily by their chemical make up and all have one thing in common.
Child molesters commit a crime.
Child molesters attack a victim.
Child molesters cause reprehensible harm to a child.
Arsonists commit a crime.
Arsonists destroy personal property.
Arsonists can easily endanger or kill people in the process.
Addicts commit a crime.
Addicts destroy themselves.
Addicts can easily endanger or kill other people in the process.
Those who cheat on a spouse commit adultery
Those who cheat on a spouse cause reprehensible harm to their relationship
Those who overeat endanger themselves.
Those who overeat can destroy their own lives.

Gays and Lesbians do not commit any crimes.
Gays and Lesbians do not create a victim.
Gays and Lesbians do not endanger themselves or anyone else.

Your comparisons are simply not analogous!
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They have a CHOICE to deny self or endulge self.
Why should ANYONE deny their sexual orientation?
For what purpose?
For what benefit?
For what greater good?
For who's benefit?
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All of these CHOICE's have consequences. Some are outright illegal, some have long lasting social and economical consequences.
But none of your 'choices' listed above are analogous to being gay or lesbian, or marrying the one consenting adult of your choice.
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Homosexual acts used to be illegal.
Galileo was arrested for declaring the Earth revolved around the sun.

Many things "used" to be illegal.

Women couldn't vote.
Slaves couldn't marry.
Indian's couldn't own land.
Blacks couldn't marry whites.
Blacks couldn't attend any school, then couldn't attend a white school.
Blacks couldn't ride in the front of a bus.
Blacks couldn't drink out of a white water fountain.
Farmers couldn't plow their fields to the borders.
Women couldn't wear Gold or Pearls.

So what if being gay was illegal in the past? We KNOW BETTER NOW!

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Mar 24, 2011
 
wally515 wrote:
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Being a child molester is still illegal, being an addict is not illegal but the behavior that is involved with it is in some cases.
So what - do you think civil marriage between gays and lesbians will lead to the legalization of child molestation?

It hasn't in any of the other countries, or states that have legalized Marriage Equality.
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My point is this. Homosexuals have a choice.
Yes - we have a choice, to be honest about our sexuality, or to lie about it, hide it and deny it, but why on God's good Earth would we ever want to LIE about who we are? Or HIDE who we are?

Just to please people like you who have trouble with the 'thought' of who we are?

Should blacks die their skin color too, if you don't like dark skinned people?
Should scientists burn their degrees, if you don't like smart people?
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Decriminalizing the behavior/CHOICE was not enough.
First of all - you are assuming 'being gay' is a choice, and you are DEAD WRONG. It's NOT a choice. The only choice is whether or not we are HONEST with those that we love, and ourselves.

Maybe it was a 'choice' for you, if you happened to be born bisexual, and you chose to follow the heterosexual path, than good for you. I wasn't born bisexual. I was born gay.

And Of course decriminalization wasn't enough - we are human beings, who pay taxes, who have the right to live our lives the way the good Lord created us. And that includes equal access to Civil Marriage.
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Now they want to feel legitimized by having the priveledge of being lawfully married.
Feel legitimized? Is that what you felt when you chose to marry the person that you loved? Legitimized?

Or did you feel elated - that you were able, by law, to make a life long commitment to the one consenting adult of your choice, and formalize that commitment with the state you live in, and receive equal treatment from under the law, as other couples receive?
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As Kat says above, it is absolutely none of my business what they do in private.
That is true.
wally515 wrote:
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But it is my business when they start changing the law to suite thier lifestyle choices.
No - it's not your business when WE start changing the law to suite our lifestyle because:

1. we are tax payers too, and
2. our constitution guarantees us EQUALITY under the Law.
3. our Bill of Rights promises us Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, and when you ban our marriages, you are screwing with our Liberty.
4. other minority groups have demanded and won changes in the law to suite their 'lifestyle'.

Blacks were afforded the rights to marriage, to vote, to own property, etc.

It's our turn. Our marriage rights are on the line today, and we are citizens, no state, or person, or group, has any rational, honest, sincere, or valid reason to oppose and ban our marriages.

Don't you see that banning marriage for gay couples is nothing more than legalizing bigotry, discrimination and hate?

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#372
Mar 24, 2011
 
wally515 wrote:
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I do not want those who CHOOSE to be molesters or Arsonists or Bigamist, or any other anti social lifestyle choice to be legitimized by amending our laws to justify their choices.
Fine, neither do we - and history has proven all over the world that Marriage Equality has NEVER lead to any of your other fears.

NEVER!

All you have to do is look to the other countries and states who have legalized marriage equality, to see it's never lead to anything else, EVER!
wally515 wrote:
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Backwards as it may sound to the new age of live and let live, thats how I feel.
Well, it doesn't sound 'backwards' to me, it sounds a bit uninformed, and it sounds your opinion is based out of an irrational fear of things you simply do not have to worry about.
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What was WRONG a century ago is still WRONG today...at least for me.
That's not true, at all -- and you know it.

Unless, of course, you believe Black Americans should STILL be slaves, and Women should still NOT have the right to vote. And American Indians should still be killed just for existing!

“Better listen the first time”

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#373
Mar 24, 2011
 
TolkMax wrote:
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Fine, neither do we - and history has proven all over the world that Marriage Equality has NEVER lead to any of your other fears.
NEVER!
All you have to do is look to the other countries and states who have legalized marriage equality, to see it's never lead to anything else, EVER!
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Well, it doesn't sound 'backwards' to me, it sounds a bit uninformed, and it sounds your opinion is based out of an irrational fear of things you simply do not have to worry about.
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That's not true, at all -- and you know it.
Unless, of course, you believe Black Americans should STILL be slaves, and Women should still NOT have the right to vote. And American Indians should still be killed just for existing!
Gimme some time to think about that women not voting part.....You jist might have something there...

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#374
Mar 24, 2011
 
Hi lee ejicated Redneck wrote:
<quoted text>Gimme some time to think about that women not voting part.....You jist might have something there...
LOLOLOL
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#375
Mar 24, 2011
 
anyone wrote:
<quoted text>i truley agree with you. I think this is a sick and digusting thing and it shoud be treated as a crime.
Wow you people who think that just because it's not what you do, and not the normal, that it's wrong your ignorant.
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#376
Mar 25, 2011
 
I think it is so grosssss
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#377
Mar 25, 2011
 
it is sick
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#378
Mar 26, 2011
 
i was recently told of the two women who had been lifelong companions, when one of them died, the other had to pay a huge estate tax(something to that effect) that she would not have had to pay if they had been recognized as a married couple. why should they be penalized? forget the sexuality part of it, these are people who do not want to be penalized with insurance,and other fees that we take for granted by being married. they should be treated the same.

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#379
Mar 26, 2011
 
wow wrote:
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Wow you people who think that just because it's not what you do, and not the normal, that it's wrong your ignorant.
Bigotry often makes some people to do and say some really 'mean' things.
Ewww wrote:
I think it is so grosssss
Like Ewww...
Ewww wrote:
it is sick
And we think YOU are so grosssss and sick, too!
bolivar shagnasty wrote:
i was recently told of the two women who had been lifelong companions, when one of them died, the other had to pay a huge estate tax(something to that effect) that she would not have had to pay if they had been recognized as a married couple. why should they be penalized? forget the sexuality part of it, these are people who do not want to be penalized with insurance,and other fees that we take for granted by being married. they should be treated the same.
Well said -- Thank you!!!
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#380
Apr 1, 2011
 
Its not hurting you so just mind your own business and dont worry about other people
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#381
Sep 16, 2011
 
sure do.. free love of the heart
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#382
Sep 23, 2011
 
please no rump rangeing at walmarts
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#383
Sep 27, 2011
 
its gross
Jesus Christ

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#385
Jan 17, 2012
 
Dude, let them marry yo.
Steve

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#386
Sep 21, 2012
 
everyone should have equal rights
wally515

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#387
Sep 21, 2012
 
Steve wrote:
everyone should have equal rights
everyone DOES have equal rights. its the law that they want to change, not their right. stick to the FACTS. There is no law against being queer. There is a law that says a marriage instituted, sanctioned and authorized by a government agency (the State) is between a man and a woman. they want to change the law to fit their need. In that case I say we change the law to say everyone has to be straight. that way all our rights and the law are EQUAL.
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#388
Oct 1, 2012
 
We all have the right to love!!

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