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Thales
Dayton, OH
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hocking county wanna be wrote: It's a given that hedonistic homosexuality predatges the homosexual "community's" peddling of its wares in front of the general population, but I doubt any would argue that it's much more prevalent today.
What should soecity do to homosexuals? Nothing, but don't complain about soecietal backlash when you're flaunting your "lifestyle in everyone's face, just because you feel it is your duty, or for the sake of rebellion. If our social engineers hadn't whipped you into a frenzy over the last few decades and used your sexuality (natural or chosen) as a tool, you could have remained quietly in the close with no confrontation.
Now you are supposed to openly march in bizarre parades for your "rights", and expect society to accept what is in defiance of almight Natural Law.
First it was "sexual freedom" in the 60's, now its gay rights and acceptance, tomorrow it will be pedophilia and bestiality.
These are the tools of destruction cloaked in the magical meta-language of tolerance and starry-eyed one-worldism, where every aberrant behavior is viewed as progress and every behavior that has worked to keep societies together until now is retroactively condemned as outmoded and backward, and is pushed to the fringes. That these devisive wedge issues and modes of progress are at the forefront almost exclusively in marjority White, Christian", Western countries is only a coincidence, isn't it?" Where in the bible is natural law defined or endorsed? Natural philosphy was created by ancient pre-christian greeks (Aristole and Stoics). Natural philosophy predates the christian bible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristole Don't pull your usual stunt and advise me to do research to support your claim. Present your evidence.
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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(continued)
Essentially, the concept of "Law of Nature" holds that there exists a higher law than the law of man, by which man's law must be judged.
Natural law is predicated upon the existence of absolute truth.
Natural Rights are rooted in view of Natural Law.
The source of natural rights is God; and man, being created in the image of God, possesses human dignity.
Natural rights are based on negative commands of Scripture- Thou shalt not.....
These rights exist as a limit on governmental authority and consist of: life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness.
The Founders concept of equality is based on being created in God's image and was supported by Old Testament law that prohibited partiality in judging.
The idea of government by consent of the governed
declared that God was the source of all authority
and that God delegated authority
to civil government through the people.
The Framers believed that man was sinful, self- interested and corruptible.
Lord Acton said that power corrupts and that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
the Founding Fathers Five-Fold Formula includes the following:
a. limited delegated powers
b. vertical division of powers
c. horizontal separation of powers
d. checks and balances
e. reserved individual rights.
The Framers concluded that there will always exist a need for civic virtue and that this would only be possible if the people were moral and religious.
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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patiently awaiting...Thales.
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Nope
Dayton, OH
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The term heterosexual only dates back to the 19th century. It's a relatively modern concept. Certainly not an all existing natural law. People have sex for enjoyment not just reproduction. Historically that includes bisexuality and homosexuality in large numbers.
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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Nope wrote: The term heterosexual only dates back to the 19th century. It's a relatively modern concept. Certainly not an all existing natural law. People have sex for enjoyment not just reproduction. Historically that includes bisexuality and homosexuality in large numbers. Are you telling me men and women didn't have sex with each until after the phrase heterosexual was coined in the 19th century? Prior to the word "heterosexual" being invented, it was mostly queers who had sex with each other?
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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Thales wrote: <quoted text> Where in the bible is natural law defined or endorsed? Natural philosphy was created by ancient pre-christian greeks (Aristole and Stoics). Natural philosophy predates the christian bible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristole Don't pull your usual stunt and advise me to do research to support your claim. Present your evidence. BTW, the founders didn't base the Constitution on "natural Greek philosophy....the Constitution was based on the idea that God created man and the universe and God gave man the right to freedom, life, and liberty. I will be waiting for your usual haughty response.
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hocking county wanna be wrote: <quoted text>
Are you telling me men and women didn't have sex with each until after the phrase heterosexual was coined in the 19th century? Prior to the word "heterosexual" being invented, it was mostly queers who had sex with each other? The term heterosexual was formed after the term homosexual. And of course they did. But with these terms being formed, sexuality was turned into a form of an identity instead of an action.
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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So, when these two terms were invented, homosexual and heterosexual, sexuality was no longer considered an action...whatever that means,
and these terms only served to identify a person's sexual identity. Is this what you mean?
And, if this is what you mean, because it is what you said, what the hell does any of that have to do with the law's of nature?
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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Thales
United States
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hocking county wanna be wrote: <quoted text>
BTW, the founders didn't base the Constitution on "natural Greek philosophy....the Constitution was based on the idea that God created man and the universe and God gave man the right to freedom, life, and liberty.
I will be waiting for your usual haughty response. The "founders" were not necessarily the authors of the constitution, although you confuse the two ideas as equivalent. As usual, you have presented no evidence that the authors or the document itself refer to god or the origin of rights. Your figleaf "Blessings of liberty" in the constitutional preamble is not a direct reference to your god or any other god. The 9th and tenth amendment make it very clear who define and protect liberty, and it is not yahweh, although you persist in claiming as such offering no evidence whatsoever but your claims. The people (local governments - city states) define and secure the blessings of liberty, not yahweh. You persist in your belief that your bible contains a bill of rights because you are an utter fool.
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Jane Marin
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Nope wrote: The term heterosexual only dates back to the 19th century. It's a relatively modern concept. Certainly not an all existing natural law. People have sex for enjoyment not just reproduction. Historically that includes bisexuality and homosexuality in large numbers. The truth is that lower animals and LGBTQ both have sex and sodomy primarily because they get pleasure from it. Ethical people know there are serious consequences and responsibilities of having sex, and recognize that sex is primarily for reproduction. Ethical people know that reproduction is primary and pleasure is secondary for sex. Normal people also know that sodomy spreads disease. Neither lower animals nor LGBTQ understand human ethics, yet only LGBTQ claim special rights guaranteed by big government. LGBTQ push for gay marriage because they desire general taxpayer support for the unwanted consequences of their actions, including abortion-on-demand and STDs.
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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Thales wrote: <quoted text>
The "founders" were not necessarily the authors of the constitution, although you confuse the two ideas as equivalent.
As usual, you have presented no evidence that the authors or the document itself refer to god or the origin of rights.
Your figleaf "Blessings of liberty" in the constitutional preamble is not a direct reference to your god or any other god. The 9th and tenth amendment make it very clear who define and protect liberty, and it is not yahweh, although you persist in claiming as such offering no evidence whatsoever but your claims.
The people (local governments - city states) define and secure the blessings of liberty, not yahweh.
You persist in your belief that your bible contains a bill of rights because you are an utter fool. Your first sentence is so silly I almost disregarded it, but lol, we have been using both interchangeably. You say author, I say founder. I am referring to the men who founded the Constitution..the men who put it all together so even non-believers like yourself can have life, liberty and property in this country. My figleaf "blessings of liberty" is not in reference to WHO protects and defines liberty. God doesn't protect our freedoms or our liberty or our property....He GAVE us life, liberty and property so that we CAN protect and define those things. The blessings of liberty comes from a creator (according to the founders ...authors in your world, lol). We the people are to protect and define said given freedom from our Creator. Our life, our freedom and our property (earth) comes from God. God gave us life (birth) our freedom to live and to take from the earth what we need to survive. Study John Locke and Thomas Jefferson and read my lenthy post from the Institute on the Constitution. You asked for my source and research information, I gave it to you and still you complain. I did not say the Bible has a Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is a part of the Constitution, not the Bible. Winning!!! Winning! lmao BTW, where is your documentation that the founders did not believe in God and did not want this nation to be a Christian nation?
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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Thales wrote: <quoted text> Where in the bible is natural law defined or endorsed? Natural philosphy was created by ancient pre-christian greeks (Aristole and Stoics). Natural philosophy predates the christian bible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristole Don't pull your usual stunt and advise me to do research to support your claim. Present your evidence. Romans 2:14 (sidenote to Thales....this is from the Bible) "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the meanwhile accusing or else excusing one abother Romans 2:14-15 The below link shows the same verses written in different ways and helps to understand the meaning of the verses. http://Bible.cc/romans/2-14.htm Also according to Leopold von Ranke (Modern School of History) "John Calvin was the virtual founder of America" and "He who will not honor the memory and respect the influence of Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty.- George Bancroft (leading American historian in 1800s)
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Thales
United States
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hocking county wanna be wrote: <quoted text>
Your first sentence is so silly I almost disregarded it, but lol, we have been using both interchangeably. You say author, I say founder. I am referring to the men who founded the Constitution..the men who put it all together so even non-believers like yourself can have life, liberty and property in this country.
My figleaf "blessings of liberty" is not in reference to WHO protects and defines liberty. God doesn't protect our freedoms or our liberty or our property....He GAVE us life, liberty and property so that we CAN protect and define those things. The blessings of liberty comes from a creator (according to the founders ...authors in your world, lol). We the people are to protect and define said given freedom from our Creator. Our life, our freedom and our property (earth) comes from God. God gave us life (birth) our freedom to live and to take from the earth what we need to survive. Study John Locke and Thomas Jefferson and read my lenthy post from the Institute on the Constitution.
You asked for my source and research information, I gave it to you and still you complain.
I did not say the Bible has a Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is a part of the Constitution, not the Bible.
Winning!!! Winning! lmao
BTW, where is your documentation that the founders did not believe in God and did not want this nation to be a Christian nation? Once again, there is NO reference to "life, liberty, and property" in the constitution. Your persistence on perpetutating this deception is clearly more than just ignorance. John Locke is an author of the DoI, not the US constitution. Locke might be considered a founder, but he is NOT a author of the US constitution. Your persistence in this deception is more than just ignorance. The bible is your reference for rights. There is nothing in the bible that defines rights, though you persist in making or implying the equivalent idea without evidence. The ten commandments is NOT a bill of rights, or anything resembling a BoR. The ninth and tenth amendments explicitly state who define liberties (aka rights). The constitution explicitly says that the PEOPLE define and secure rights. You persist in your ignorance of the text of the constitution because you are dumb. Here's the text again, because you are dumb.... ---------- Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution. Ratified 12/15/1791. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. ---------- Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ---------- Because you are both ignorant and dumb, you don't understand that it is impossible to prove a negative. I never said the authors were atheist; I said they were Deist. You are a tiresome ass.
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Thales
Tampa, FL
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hocking county wanna be wrote: <quoted text> Romans 2:14 (sidenote to Thales....this is from the Bible) "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the meanwhile accusing or else excusing one abother Romans 2:14-15 The below link shows the same verses written in different ways and helps to understand the meaning of the verses. http://Bible.cc/romans/2-14.htm Also according to Leopold von Ranke (Modern School of History) "John Calvin was the virtual founder of America" and "He who will not honor the memory and respect the influence of Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty.- George Bancroft (leading American historian in 1800s) Meatheads like you believe the bible is the inerrant word of god, right? In fact, the bible is your only knowledge of your god yahweh, right? When your bible (the word of god) never mentions liberties or rights such as life, liberty, and property as inalienable rights, how do you imagine that it does mention it? Do you get visions like you get from watching TV cartoons or reading comic books? Your bible is filled with atrocities by people against people, and justify it as righteous because your god commanded it. How are life, liberty, and property iinalienable rights if your god commands you as his agent of righteousuness to deny it to unbelievers? You incessantly demonize muslims as unbelievers, and wish for their destruction. What happened to their inalieneable rights, meathead?
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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Thales wrote: <quoted text>
Meatheads like you believe the bible is the inerrant word of god, right?
In fact, the bible is your only knowledge of your god yahweh, right?
When your bible (the word of god) never mentions liberties or rights such as life, liberty, and property as inalienable rights, how do you imagine that it does mention it? Do you get visions like you get from watching TV cartoons or reading comic books?
Your bible is filled with atrocities by people against people, and justify it as righteous because your god commanded it. How are life, liberty, and property iinalienable rights if your god commands you as his agent of righteousuness to deny it to unbelievers?
You incessantly demonize muslims as unbelievers, and wish for their destruction. What happened to their inalieneable rights, meathead? Because the inalienable rights is the same thing as natural rights and natural rights are those rights given to man from God. Those rights are in the Bible....our life (birthright) comes from God, our liberty and freedom come from God....we are free of man made government and only answer to God and God gave man the earth to take from the earth (property) what man needs to survive. Man is not to take more than he needs. Non believers have the same rights from God as believers. I don't agree that we feel Muslims are non believers. Here is a link that might explain about war and why we feel the Bible authorizes war. Section b. John Locke and his social contract. http://www.iep.utm.edu/soc-cont/
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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Thales wrote: <quoted text>
Once again, there is NO reference to "life, liberty, and property" in the constitution. Your persistence on perpetutating this deception is clearly more than just ignorance.
John Locke is an author of the DoI, not the US constitution. Locke might be considered a founder, but he is NOT a author of the US constitution. Your persistence in this deception is more than just ignorance.
The bible is your reference for rights. There is nothing in the bible that defines rights, though you persist in making or implying the equivalent idea without evidence. The ten commandments is NOT a bill of rights, or anything resembling a BoR.
The ninth and tenth amendments explicitly state who define liberties (aka rights). The constitution explicitly says that the PEOPLE define and secure rights. You persist in your ignorance of the text of the constitution because you are dumb.
Here's the text again, because you are dumb....
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Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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Because you are both ignorant and dumb, you don't understand that it is impossible to prove a negative. I never said the authors were atheist; I said they were Deist.
You are a tiresome ass. You sound angry. Not to worry. I'll keep trying to get you straightened out and understanding the founders very much believed in God and used God to breathe life into our Constitution. I did not say John Locke authored the Constitution...hell, I think he died a century before...I said Jefferson and the other founders studied his social contract theory and agreed with his views that a creator founded the universe and that creator gave man his natural rights from God. The founders took from his philosophy that God intended for man to have the natural rights of life, liberty and property; that government is established by a contract of the people and God has ordained the law of nature to which all human law must be subordinate. Locke called this Law of Nature our God given natural rights (life, liberty, property).
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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Thales wrote: <quoted text>
Meatheads like you believe the bible is the inerrant word of god, right?
In fact, the bible is your only knowledge of your god yahweh, right?
When your bible (the word of god) never mentions liberties or rights such as life, liberty, and property as inalienable rights, how do you imagine that it does mention it? Do you get visions like you get from watching TV cartoons or reading comic books?
Your bible is filled with atrocities by people against people, and justify it as righteous because your god commanded it. How are life, liberty, and property iinalienable rights if your god commands you as his agent of righteousuness to deny it to unbelievers?
You incessantly demonize muslims as unbelievers, and wish for their destruction. What happened to their inalieneable rights, meathead? The life, liberty and property was something that John Locke felt was represented in the Bible and the founders liked and agreed with that idea. Believers do feel that God gives life, and in this country we do have the freedom to live our lives as we choose as long as we do no harm to others and it is written in the Bible that we are to take from the earth what we need but not more than we need. This is why a lot of atheists think they can get over on Christians by demanding why they have not turned over their worldly possessions to the poor. This is not what the Bible instructs Christians to do. We are, in fact, supposed to acquire personal property to support ourselves. The root of all evil is not money, the root of all evil is the love of money.
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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Still winning!!!Still winning!!!!
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hocking county wanna be
Sunbury, OH
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The very fact the founders believed this nation was here because of God, makes this a very much Godly nation. That is, until communists (progressives) got control of our leadership in Washington....decades before Obama was ever a gleam in his Daddy's eye.
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