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Feb 22, 2013
 
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For one, I oppose all forms of marraige, gay straight alien, it doesnt matter. If you want to be with someone a church or a government has no affect on your emotions for one another. Two, how dare you compare same sex marriage to civil rights. Noone is telling you that you are inferior because you're gay, they're just saying that according to the prehistoric principals that this nation was founded upon, "legally" aren't allowed to get married. That's way different than being beaten and lynched because of your skin tone. Three, as taxpayers, gay people should realize that in the grand scheme of things this is just a tiny insignificant oversight by our founding fathers. The whole point of what i'm trying to say is, let's handle the shit that really matters, then we can work on flower print tuxedos and pant suit wedding gowns. Gays and illegals chafe my ass because well i already stated my issue with some gays and well illegals come here illegaly and have the stones to demand the same rights as everyone else. If you didnt have the right to be here then what makes you think you have any other rights here? Back to the original topic, i'm not a gay basher or a homophobe but i am a realist, and as a realist i try to see the "real" issues. This issue has all the hallmarks of the jersey shore mtv generation. Sure in your heads it's a big deal but in the end what does it help? Does it promote economic health? No. Does it promote world peace? No. Does it help lower any kind of criminal activity? No. Do the poor people in our hoods get any form of help from this? No. Does the single mother with two children get help with babysitting after gay marriage is passed? No. So what the fuck does it matter? The answer is IT DOESN'T.
"end what does it help? Does it promote economic health? No. Does it promote world peace? No. Does it help lower any kind of criminal activity? No. Do the poor people in our hoods get any form of help from this? No. Does the single mother with two children get help with babysitting after gay marriage is passed? No. So what the fuck does it matter? The answer is IT DOESN'T"

I guess what it helps is for ALL u.s. citizens to be treated equally.. So it does matter... maybe not to you.... but to real americans...it does

The question that should be asked... is what would it hurt?...
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Feb 23, 2013
 
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"end what does it help? Does it promote economic health? No. Does it promote world peace? No. Does it help lower any kind of criminal activity? No. Do the poor people in our hoods get any form of help from this? No. Does the single mother with two children get help with babysitting after gay marriage is passed? No. So what the fuck does it matter? The answer is IT DOESN'T"
I guess what it helps is for ALL u.s. citizens to be treated equally.. So it does matter... maybe not to you.... but to real americans...it does
The question that should be asked... is what would it hurt?...
A LGBTQ public license is a license for licentiousness.

With a marriage license in hand, every degenerate LGBTQ activity will be required to be subsidized by the public.

Because you have a limited memory, let's recap the top ten list of LGBTQ favs...

sodomy
abortion on demand
disease proliferation and incubation
child molestation
pornography
hate speech prosecution
NEA govt grants - welfare for queers
diversity schemes
mandatory queer education in public schools
Govt-sponsored AIDS hysteria

In fact, practically all Diversity schemes planned by LGBTQ are unconstitutional, which makes them illegal crimes too.

You already got equal treatment meatkopf.

You can marry the opposite sex, for the purpose of procreation and child rearing.

The core issue is that meatkopfs like you desire to degrade marriage and turn it into a taxpayer-subsidized club for adult hedonism.

You evade the core issue because you are a true meatkopf, and are here to deceieve Joe Sixpack about your ulterior motives.

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Mar 8, 2013
 
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"hree, as taxpayers, gay people should realize that in the grand scheme of things this is just a tiny insignificant oversight by our founding fathers. The whole point of what i'm trying to say is, let's handle the shit that really matters, then we can work on flower print tuxedos and pant suit wedding gowns. Gays and illegals chafe my ass because well i already stated my issue with some gays and well illegals come here illegaly and. If you didnt have the right to be here then what makes you think you have any other rights here"
A) I am with you afa illegals
B) How dare the homosexuals citizens" have the stones to demand the same rights as other citizesns"...Who do they think they are... they were only born a u.s. citizen... they have absolutely no right demanding to be treated equally as one. I mean really......
"Back to the original topic, i'm not a gay basher or a homophobe "
Ya I could tell that when you said "then we can work on flower print tuxedos and pant suit wedding gowns." Gee doesn't sound to bigoted of a comment does it?.... Now if someone were to say the same thing regarding blacks... but changed the word s to I am not prejudice against blacks but ... then we can work on getting them fried chicken and watermelon.... Would you say the person saying that was not prejudice.... but that is different.... right
Ok i understand the point youtried to make and honestly youcould have substituted any race/religion in my statements and use any stereotypes you want but that doesnt make you a racist. It makes you a common flawed human just like everyone else.
I didn't saythat gayswerent allowed to have all the same rights of any other u.s. Citizen what i said was even though you should have the rights i dont believe that the money spent on the litigation and the time wasted on this same litigation could be better used on something that can benefit the united states as a whole, aka the economy. As far as me being considered prejudice against gay people that is complete bullshit. I have many gay friends, i dont care about anyones sexual orientation because that is yourbusiness and yours alone. What i care about is the negative impact that this issue has on an economy that cannot stand anymore frivolous wasting of money. Nobody is telling gay people they cant be together they're just saying that nobody planned for such a ssmall issue to be such a big pain in the ass (no pun intended).

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"hree, as taxpayers, gay people should realize that in the grand scheme of things this is just a tiny insignificant oversight by our founding fathers. The whole point of what i'm trying to say is, let's handle the shit that really matters, then we can work on flower print tuxedos and pant suit wedding gowns. Gays and illegals chafe my ass because well i already stated my issue with some gays and well illegals come here illegaly and. If you didnt have the right to be here then what makes you think you have any other rights here"
A) I am with you afa illegals
B) How dare the homosexuals citizens" have the stones to demand the same rights as other citizesns"...Who do they think they are... they were only born a u.s. citizen... they have absolutely no right demanding to be treated equally as one. I mean really......
"Back to the original topic, i'm not a gay basher or a homophobe "
Ya I could tell that when you said "then we can work on flower print tuxedos and pant suit wedding gowns." Gee doesn't sound to bigoted of a comment does it?.... Now if someone were to say the same thing regarding blacks... but changed the word s to I am not prejudice against blacks but ... then we can work on getting them fried chicken and watermelon.... Would you say the person saying that was not prejudice.... but that is different.... right
Ok i understand the point youtried to make and honestly youcould have substituted any race/religion in my statements and use any stereotypes you want but that doesnt make you a racist. It makes you a common flawed human just like everyone else.
I didn't saythat gayswerent allowed to have all the same rights of any other u.s. Citizen what i said was even though you should have the rights i believe that the money spent on the litigation and the time wasted on this same litigation could be better used on something that can benefit the united states as a whole, aka the economy. As far as me being considered prejudice against gay people that is complete bullshit. I have many gay friends, i dont care about anyones sexual orientation because that is yourbusiness and yours alone. What i care about is the negative impact that this issue has on an economy that cannot stand anymore frivolous wasting of money. Nobody is telling gay people they cant be together they're just saying that nobody planned for such a ssmall issue to be such a big pain in the ass (no pun intended).

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Mar 8, 2013
 
come on now wrote:
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"end what does it help? Does it promote economic health? No. Does it promote world peace? No. Does it help lower any kind of criminal activity? No. Do the poor people in our hoods get any form of help from this? No. Does the single mother with two children get help with babysitting after gay marriage is passed? No. So what the fuck does it matter? The answer is IT DOESN'T"
I guess what it helps is for ALL u.s. citizens to be treated equally.. So it does matter... maybe not to you.... but to real americans...it does
The question that should be asked... is what would it hurt?...
Let me ask you did you VOLUNTEER AND SERVE THIS COUNTRY IN THE ARMED FORCES? Do you volunteer to feed the homeless on every holiday? Do you stop EVERYTIME YOU SEE A STRANDED MOTORIST? Do you help everyone you see in distress? I'll bet your answer is not only no but hell no to everyone of these questions. Well if you ask me or anyone tbat knows me they will tell you yes to everyone of these questions. Ive lost more jobs and girlfriends for helping people and being selfless than anyone ive ever encountered. I spent years in the military and never took the exams to upgrade my rank just to save the government a little bit of money. I am the truest american you will ever find. I bleed red white and blue, i dont just love the colors when its beneficial to me. Let this issue be about straight people and you wouldnt have even bothered to read the thread. You can sit there and snear at my comments all you want but questioning me one my devotion to my country and its people is just a sorry attempt at trying to discredit my statements. I feel sorry for the people thathave to deal with you.

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Mar 8, 2013
 
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Two words: equal rights. Quite frankly, to all of the Bible quoters, Jesus would be appalled at the hate and the fear. Also? Read the whole book, folks. You pick and choose quotes to support your argument, but ignore the hundreds of other "commandments" you're breaking every single day.
Dont mean to be stickler but there were only ten commandments.

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come on now wrote:
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. If you want to be with someone a church or a government has no affect on your emotions for one another. Two, how dare you compare same sex marriage to civil rights. Noone is telling you that you are inferior because you're gay, they're just saying that according to the prehistoric principals that this nation was founded upon, "legally" aren't allowed to get married. That's way different than being beaten and lynched because of your skin tone."
Actually the comparison is quite on point. Both are being told what that they can not do something strictly based on what they are. You have no more choice in being black than they do of being homosexual. They want the equal right to get married to whom they want...just like in loving v. They want the rights to enjoy the same government granted benefits both legal and monitary as any other u.s. citizen. That is what the civil rights movement was about also. As far as beating and lynching.... please. Do you not think that many gays have been beaten and killed simply because they were gay? Tell the parents of Mathew Shephard it is different. You say it is not the same... funny Correta Scott King said that MLK would have been for homo. rights and ssm if he had been around. So rather you like it or not, the homo. community is fighting for the same thing any minority fights for... the right to be treated equally as a u.s. citizen.
The comment concerning mlk is heresay, in case you forgot he's dead and has been for a long time before this issue came to popular attention so there is no way to substantiate corretas comment. yes a few gays have been persecuted, however that wasnt in major cities infront of millions of people the same way blacks were treated. No the gay incidents took place primarily in backwoods towns that really were cut off from popular opinion. I understand that this issue is important to you but dont use real pain and suffering issues from the past to try to envelope your trivial pursuits. Racial minorities went through real problems, i dont remeber reading about millions of gays being beaten and sold as slaves, why? Because nobody cares. Your problems, while valid, arent important and have no benefit to society as a whole.
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Mar 8, 2013
 
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Ok i understand the point youtried to make and honestly youcould have substituted any race/religion in my statements and use any stereotypes you want but that doesnt make you a racist. It makes you a common flawed human just like everyone else.
I didn't saythat gayswerent allowed to have all the same rights of any other u.s. Citizen what i said was even though you should have the rights i dont believe that the money spent on the litigation and the time wasted on this same litigation could be better used on something that can benefit the united states as a whole, aka the economy. As far as me being considered prejudice against gay people that is complete bullshit. I have many gay friends, i dont care about anyones sexual orientation because that is yourbusiness and yours alone. What i care about is the negative impact that this issue has on an economy that cannot stand anymore frivolous wasting of money. Nobody is telling gay people they cant be together they're just saying that nobody planned for such a ssmall issue to be such a big pain in the ass (no pun intended).
"I didn't say that gayswerent allowed to have all the same rights of any other u.s. Citizen what i said was even though you should have the rights i dont believe that the money spent on the litigation and the time wasted on this same litigation could be better used on something that can benefit the united states as a whole, aka the economy. "

I understand your though process here... however switch the sitution around. What if 55 percent (aproximately the percentage oppose to ssm) were against hispanics marrying. Every one else, including ssc, were allowed to marry. However you, because of your ethnicity, were not allowed to marry. You were shut out of all federal married benefits if you worked for the government. You had to go out and pay money to get legal documents to get the same rights for you and your girlfriend, as everyone else got by saying I do. Would you then still say that you "dont believe that the money spent on the litigation and the time wasted on this same litigation could be better used on something that can benefit the united states as a whole, aka the economy. "

Now your answer also begs the question... if not now... when. When would be the right time for ssc to ask for equal rights. When unemployment was at 1 percent and we had a budget surplus... When gas was at $1.50 per gallon as oppose to close to $4.00 per.... The only time that is right to confront injustice... is the present.

'I have many gay friends, i dont care about anyones sexual orientation because that is yourbusiness and yours alone. What i care about is the negative impact that this issue has on an economy that cannot stand anymore frivolous wasting of money. Nobody is telling gay people they cant be together they're just saying that nobody planned for such a ssmall issue to be such a big pain in the ass (no pun intended)"

It is a small issue to you...because it does not affect you. You are basically neutral. You are not against ssm...just not now. To quote Desmond TuTu
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.

Yes in the grand scheme of things ssm is a mouse of an issue... however even the mouse deserves justice.
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Mar 8, 2013
 
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The comment concerning mlk is heresay, in case you forgot he's dead and has been for a long time before this issue came to popular attention so there is no way to substantiate corretas comment. yes a few gays have been persecuted, however that wasnt in major cities infront of millions of people the same way blacks were treated. No the gay incidents took place primarily in backwoods towns that really were cut off from popular opinion. I understand that this issue is important to you but dont use real pain and suffering issues from the past to try to envelope your trivial pursuits. Racial minorities went through real problems, i dont remeber reading about millions of gays being beaten and sold as slaves, why? Because nobody cares. Your problems, while valid, arent important and have no benefit to society as a whole.
"The comment concerning mlk is heresay, in case you forgot he's dead and has been for a long time before this issue came to popular attention so there is no way to substantiate corretas comment. "

Granted it was her opinion of what she thought her husband would say. But let me ask you this... assuming you are married, do you think your wife of 17 plus years (that is how long they were married) would have a very good idea of your views on politics, and social causes.....

"few gays have been persecuted, however that wasnt in major cities infront of millions of people the same way blacks were treated."

Really... now granted there has been far fewer gay rights marches, and the feel of society towards such marches has changed, but do not say they have not been persecuted. They have not been beaten up by cops in marches... but many have been beaten in schools, bullied, discriminated agaisnt both in the workplace and in getting housing. So I am not downgrading what blacks went through by comparing the homosexual sufferage to theirs... just pointing out that both were/are fighting for their rights as u.s. citizens.

Your problems, while valid, arent important and have no benefit to society as a whole."

No benifit to society as a whole... Exactly what civil rights, be it ethnic, sex, disability, has a benefit to society as a whole. While requiring handicap accessible access to public places is great... it does not help society as a whole... just those who need it. The point is what helps society as a whole, is for everyone, man woman child, black white, name your ethnicity here, straight, or homo,,, to be treated equally. To be given the same treatment same rights, same privileges across the board, this is what helps society to grow as a whole. What hurts society, is for them to say I know you are you are a citizen. I know you are not being given the same rights as other citizens have. However your issues " arent important and have no benefit to society as a whole.".

Now for the record, you keep saying "your problems", to be honest I do not have a horse in this race. I am married with children. I just do not like seeing injustice being done. Now if you can sit back and see the problem and say it is not in my back yard so I see no reason to stand against it.... fine. The question you have to ask is when it is in your backyard... who will be there to stand with you.
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Let me ask you did you VOLUNTEER AND SERVE THIS COUNTRY IN THE ARMED FORCES? Do you volunteer to feed the homeless on every holiday? Do you stop EVERYTIME YOU SEE A STRANDED MOTORIST? Do you help everyone you see in distress? I'll bet your answer is not only no but hell no to everyone of these questions. Well if you ask me or anyone tbat knows me they will tell you yes to everyone of these questions. Ive lost more jobs and girlfriends for helping people and being selfless than anyone ive ever encountered. I spent years in the military and never took the exams to upgrade my rank just to save the government a little bit of money. I am the truest american you will ever find. I bleed red white and blue, i dont just love the colors when its beneficial to me. Let this issue be about straight people and you wouldnt have even bothered to read the thread. You can sit there and snear at my comments all you want but questioning me one my devotion to my country and its people is just a sorry attempt at trying to discredit my statements. I feel sorry for the people thathave to deal with you.
First thank you for your service...
No I did not volunteer... does not make anyone a bad person.
Yes I do volunteer monthly for a local homeless shelter, I also volunteer weekly at a local humane society.

I am not questioning your patriotism, just saying that IMHO it is not right to deny rights and privledges given to other citizens to another group of citizens. It is not right to see injustice and say.. Hey we have bigger fish to fry. It is not right to turn our backs and say.. ssm does not affect me... so why get involved.

My comments were not meant to be snarky or offensive... if you took them that way my apologies.

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