Farm Chores Debate - Lucedale, MS

Discuss the national Farm Chores debate in Lucedale, MS.

Should we regulate farm chores as child labor, or should it be up to the parents?

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Apr 26, 2012
 
I worked on my grandfather's farm from the time I was big enough to milk cows, pump water, work in the garden, and as I grew older I was given harder chores. It did not hurt me,as a matter of fact I think it was a good character builder. Just my opinion.
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Apr 26, 2012
 
It's up to the parents there, if I owned a business then I would expect my child to work there. Though I would pay him to do so.

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Apr 26, 2012
 
My husband taught our son how to do everything - at the time, he wasn't too crazy about it, but today he will tell you I am so glad daddy taught me how to do things. Some kids grow up and don't know how to even change a tire. I think learning how to do chores gives kids some self confidence.
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Apr 26, 2012
 
I haven't followed this story beyond just seeing headlines, so there is probably more to it than I know, but assuming that the high-level info I've collected is accurate, then I think it is ridiculous to consider chores as child labor subject to regulation.
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Apr 27, 2012
 
Ok, I'm reading more about this today...

First of all, it looks like the populace's backlash has led to the administration dropping the plan.

BUT, in reading more into it, I see that the proposal was not to restrict children from doing chores on their own family's farms, but rather "prevent children from doing hazardous work on farms owned by anyone other than their parents."

This "hazardous work" includes children younger than 16 operating power-driven equipment (including tractors), as well as those younger than 18 "working in feed lots, grain bins and stockyards."

The point was to reduce the number of injuries and fatalities associated with youths on farms. Check out the first page of this document for some statistics:

http://www.hicahs.colostate.edu/Documents/Fac...

[Summary: Farming accidents lead to 300 youth fatalities per year; 100,000 youth injuries per year; 950 permanently disabling youth injuries per year; farm children are twice as likely to die in an accident than urban children.]

Having dug a little deeper, I'm not so much in disagreement any more. Seems like we'd want to keep our youth alive and healthy.
Southern Lady

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#6
Apr 27, 2012
 
I think it doesn't hurt young people or children to work on a farm to help the family make ends meet. In fact it doesn't hurt the children to work anywhere. Too many of our young people spend too much time playing electronic games and running up and down the roads spending money that they didn't earn.

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Apr 27, 2012
 
Southern Lady wrote:
I think it doesn't hurt young people or children to work on a farm to help the family make ends meet. In fact it doesn't hurt the children to work anywhere. Too many of our young people spend too much time playing electronic games and running up and down the roads spending money that they didn't earn.
One reason kids are so fat - lack of work and exercise. Picking vegetables, loading hay, loading watermelons, etc - good for boys - will make men of them. My daddy always said you work 8-10 hours a day on the farm and you won't have to diet or go to the gym. The government needs to stay out of our life - building roads and defense were their main objectives in the beginning - need to get back to that.
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Apr 27, 2012
 
I wonder when they will protect our children from hand sanitizers, cinnamon, bicycles, baseballs, parents who put them in automobiles, doctors before they misdiagnose, etc.

Why do they only want to protect farm kids?

This has nothing to do with protecting children. It has everything to do with the gov.'s need to prevent the next generations from learning to become self-sufficient.

BTW, the US labor dept. has dropped this issue..... For now.

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Apr 27, 2012
 
JustSaying wrote:
I wonder when they will protect our children from hand sanitizers, cinnamon, bicycles, baseballs, parents who put them in automobiles, doctors before they misdiagnose, etc.
Why do they only want to protect farm kids?
This has nothing to do with protecting children. It has everything to do with the gov.'s need to prevent the next generations from learning to become self-sufficient.
BTW, the US labor dept. has dropped this issue..... For now.
I think you are so right - our government wants everyone to be dependent on the gov - when that happens, then we will all be under their control. Welfare people are the new slaves and do not even know it.
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Apr 28, 2012
 
Yeah, 300 kids dying in farming accidents a year isn't quite enough.
It HAS to be government control that the labor dept is seeking. I mean, it couldn't possibly be the health and well-being of our nation's youth, right?

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Apr 28, 2012
 
There are nearly 1.7 million children under 20 years of age living on farms and ranches in the United
States. Farm children are often needed and expected to help with chores or handle responsibilities
at a young age. Due to this fact, and the nature of farming, they are exposed to potentially dangerous
situations much more frequently than children in towns or cities. Here are some startling statistics
about child safety on the farm:
An estimated 300 children die each year in farming accidents

USING YOUR FIGURES OF 300 CASUALTIES ON FARMS WHERE THERE IS 1.7 MILLION UNDER 20 YEARS OLD WORKING, I DON'T KNOW, I MAY WANT TO BE ON FARM AS A KID INSTEAD OF YOUTH IN CHICAGO FOR EXAMPLE.

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Apr 29, 2012
 
just -woderin wrote:
There are nearly 1.7 million children under 20 years of age living on farms and ranches in the United
States. Farm children are often needed and expected to help with chores or handle responsibilities
at a young age. Due to this fact, and the nature of farming, they are exposed to potentially dangerous
situations much more frequently than children in towns or cities. Here are some startling statistics
about child safety on the farm:
An estimated 300 children die each year in farming accidents
USING YOUR FIGURES OF 300 CASUALTIES ON FARMS WHERE THERE IS 1.7 MILLION UNDER 20 YEARS OLD WORKING, I DON'T KNOW, I MAY WANT TO BE ON FARM AS A KID INSTEAD OF YOUTH IN CHICAGO FOR EXAMPLE.
Great point - we need to not let kids drive too.

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Apr 29, 2012
 
I guess that next we will not be able to require kids to clean their rooms or help in the kitchen.
JustSaying

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Apr 29, 2012
 
Perhaps they could jail anyone who allows their child/children near water. Everyone knows how dangerous those pools,creeks, rivers, bathtubs etc are. But only worry about the children who live in certain areas of the country.

And everyone knows how dangerous schools are. Perhaps sending children to those dangerous institutions should be illegal also. And by all means, do not allow sports in public schools. However, sports should be granted for those who attend private schools.

A government big enough to give us everything, is big enough to take away everything.

Americans should STOP allowing their GOVERNMENT to control them!

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Apr 29, 2012
 
The government wants to end the family farm. I am beginning to believe that they would like to see commune farms spring up in much the same way they did in Russia and Communist China.
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Apr 29, 2012
 
Did anyone else read the part about the proposal that stated that the point was NOT to restrict children from helping out on their own family's farm? It was only to limit the capacity in which they can be utilized on non-family farms.

I don't understand why there seems to be no merit given to the proposal. It's for safety reasons only.

But, if you guys are into having hundreds of kids die needlessly every year, then that's cool, I guess.

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Apr 30, 2012
 
The Dude wrote:
Did anyone else read the part about the proposal that stated that the point was NOT to restrict children from helping out on their own family's farm? It was only to limit the capacity in which they can be utilized on non-family farms.
I don't understand why there seems to be no merit given to the proposal. It's for safety reasons only.
But, if you guys are into having hundreds of kids die needlessly every year, then that's cool, I guess.
Hundreds of people die needlessly every year in cars - you should not be able to use them for pleasure - if people were only allowed to drive to work or to the doctor it would save energy and lives. Who wants the government in their life so much, I don't - the family farm is the backbone of this country - any parent with walking about sense is not going to willing put their child in danger. I have been driving a tractor all my life, can't even remember when I learned how - but I was given some instructions. They are going to ban spoons because they make you fat.

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#18
Apr 30, 2012
 
When you open one aspect of your life to government control, you open every aspect of your life to being told what, when and how to do things. Farms may be dangerous places for kids to work, but they are not as dangerous as walking down the street in some inner cities. How many kids were killed in Chicago last year? Should we outlaw big cities? Teaching a child the value of work is a parental responsibility. The government needs to butt out of parenting.
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#19
Apr 30, 2012
 
You are supposed to be legally cleared to drive a vehicle, though.

So how is that any different from this issue?

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Apr 30, 2012
 
ol grouch wrote:
When you open one aspect of your life to government control, you open every aspect of your life to being told what, when and how to do things. Farms may be dangerous places for kids to work, but they are not as dangerous as walking down the street in some inner cities. How many kids were killed in Chicago last year? Should we outlaw big cities? Teaching a child the value of work is a parental responsibility. The government needs to butt out of parenting.
About a month ago, I saw where 17 had been killed in one week - I have a friend that lives in Chicago, she said they are very careful about the areas they go into now. My kids learned to do it all - they have friends that can't do anything - which is better - my son can do electrical wiring, plumbing, mechanic work, use a chain saw - plow a tractor - build a building - all the things that go on daily on a farm - we have one friend that knows nothing - who do you thing grows up the most secure. Hard work built this country.

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