Faith & Politics Debate - Denver, CO

the seperation of church and state was put in for a reason

Our laws are based on our beliefs. America was founded on the values of ethical monotheism, our rights come from G-d, not man.

It is obvious Ron Paul was robbed in Iowa with the secret ballot counting at an undiclosed location. Where did this Rick Santorum vote split come from all of a sudden, this guy was in last place till a few days ago -what a fraud!

Like Obama, Mitt Romney supports the NDAA and SOPA; since he's dodging questions about it he obvioulsy supports it. The NDAA states Americans can now be rounded up and taken to detention centers indefinitely without trial for criticizing the government or banking ellites.

SOPA is a mainland China style censorship of internet free speech. For instance not allowing people to post anything with a link to a youtube clip or news article exposing the government or ellites. This will be very convenient when the government finally starts rounding up people.

We need to get this slimey worm Romney -and in fact all candidates- to give a thumbs up or thumbs down on the Natinal Defense Authorization Act since they will never do it willingly. The banker establishment knows Romney is another easy win for Obama just like McCain was. That's why they need Romney to stay in the race -they know he will loose.

The ellite establishment and their mainstream media puppets are so threatened by Ron Paul they are often not even allowed to mention him by name. Ron Paul is Lord Voldemort to the Nazi ellites. These mainstream media zombie clowns are so transparant now in their deliberate avoidance of Ron Paul it would be comical if it wasn't so scary.

This staged Iowa farce was a beta test for stealing the national election if Ron Paul is forced to run third party. He will be forced to run third party if Iowa remains uncontested.

This is a repeat of how the international bankers transformed a prosperous normal Germany into Nazi Germany. The ellites are completely out of touch with reality to be trying to pull this off in America while we have the internet and the second ammendmant still in place.

Please bookmark/listen to Alex Jones just once -Download a podcast and just listen. Nazi Germany would have been averted if this guy had been around back then broadcasting over the internet and airwaves.

http://rss.infowars.com/Alex.rss

If you love America defend it from the offshore funded revolutionaries trying to overthrow us presently. We must take back America non-violently so our banker bought illegitimate federal government is not given a reason to declare martial law.

Remember the international banking ellites call the shots now, not the government. That's how they continue to get away with all their flagrant crime and corruption without facing any jail time.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...

This is my humble opinion on today's events -I'm doing my small part to get the word out on the net so I can tell my grandkids I didn't just sit back when the offshore ellites tried to weaken and destroy America from within. I am not religious, but this whole situation is starting to make me believe there is a hell as the people destroying America are acting like demonic devils.

If we wait much longer we won't be able to kick the offshore ellites out without force. The U.S. military may start a revolution before we do -they know what is going on and are no longer putting up with this.

Many of my posts are now being censored by Topix. I always have to wonder which link triggered the deletion of the post. Topix is great, but the government is destroying it because people will lose interest in Topix if it is obviously censored. Maybe that's the plan.

This is how the tyranny slowly spreads and takes over -boiling that frog a little at a time.

Vote Ron Paul 2012, you have nothing to loose at this point by trying something completely different. Ron fought hard against the NDAA and SOPA legislation. There should be civil disobedience in Iowa if we are not allowed to see the official vote tallys ASAP.

Tell everyone you know.

"If you believe in judgement day I have to seriously question your judgement."

Bill Maher

Ron Paul's foreign policy is no different from the far left. He believes in legalizing drugs, same sex marriage and prostitution, he's out of the main stream.

I donated to Rick Santorum's campaign because he shares my values.

Religion shouldn't matter a whit in politics.

The only stance on faith/religion from a politician (Republican or any other) would be NONE. Church and state SHOULD be separated, and Thomas Jefferson said so very clearly in his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802

On a personal note, from personal experience and GENERALLY speaking, I have found that the people who are the most "outwardly" Christian and the ones who are the least truly Christian, and this has seemed to be definitely the case with Republican politicians.(Clinton and JFK were sexual scoundrels, but they didn't constantly proclaim their Christianity.)

US Invaded By NaziBanks wrote:

Like Obama, Mitt Romney supports the NDAA and SOPA; since he's dodging questions about it he obvioulsy supports it. The NDAA states Americans can now be rounded up and taken to detention centers indefinitely without trial for criticizing the government or banking ellites.
SOPA is a mainland China style censorship of internet free speech. For instance not allowing people to post anything with a link to a youtube clip or news article exposing the government or ellites. This will be very convenient when the government finally starts rounding up people.

WTF, Obama does not support SOPA.He just killed it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012...

The only religious/faith stance that any politician could make that would impress me is one that is only known by looking at a candidate's biographical fact sheet.

The concept of separation of church and state as regards to U.S. government was established by Thomas Jefferson in his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. This concept, IMO, should be adhered to by everyone in government.

I have personally observed that people who constantly proclaim their Christianity are much more likely to not be true (charitable and loving) Christians, and this seems to be the definitely the case with politicians -- and particularly with Republican politicians.

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religion/faith has no business in politics. Sense many church leaders can't stay out of politics I say taxthem.

whocares811 wrote:

The only religious/faith stance that any politician could make that would impress me is one that is only known by looking at a candidate's biographical fact sheet.
The concept of separation of church and state as regards to U.S. government was established by Thomas Jefferson in his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. This concept, IMO, should be adhered to by everyone in government.
I have personally observed that people who constantly proclaim their Christianity are much more likely to not be true (charitable and loving) Christians, and this seems to be the definitely the case with politicians -- and particularly with Republican politicians.

Sorry, viewers of this forum. I basically repeated the same remarks I made two posts above because it didn't think the first post "took." (This happens a lot with my posts.)

US Invaded By NaziBanks wrote:

It is obvious Ron Paul was robbed in Iowa with the secret ballot counting at an undiclosed location. Where did this Rick Santorum vote split come from all of a sudden, this guy was in last place till a few days ago -what a fraud!
Like Obama, Mitt Romney supports the NDAA and SOPA; since he's dodging questions about it he obvioulsy supports it. The NDAA states Americans can now be rounded up and taken to detention centers indefinitely without trial for criticizing the government or banking ellites.
SOPA is a mainland China style censorship of internet free speech. For instance not allowing people to post anything with a link to a youtube clip or news article exposing the government or ellites. This will be very convenient when the government finally starts rounding up people.
We need to get this slimey worm Romney -and in fact all candidates- to give a thumbs up or thumbs down on the Natinal Defense Authorization Act since they will never do it willingly. The banker establishment knows Romney is another easy win for Obama just like McCain was. That's why they need Romney to stay in the race -they know he will loose.
The ellite establishment and their mainstream media puppets are so threatened by Ron Paul they are often not even allowed to mention him by name. Ron Paul is Lord Voldemort to the Nazi ellites. These mainstream media zombie clowns are so transparant now in their deliberate avoidance of Ron Paul it would be comical if it wasn't so scary.
This staged Iowa farce was a beta test for stealing the national election if Ron Paul is forced to run third party. He will be forced to run third party if Iowa remains uncontested.
This is a repeat of how the international bankers transformed a prosperous normal Germany into Nazi Germany. The ellites are completely out of touch with reality to be trying to pull this off in America while we have the internet and the second ammendmant still in place.
Please bookmark/listen to Alex Jones just once -Download a podcast and just listen. Nazi Germany would have been averted if this guy had been around back then broadcasting over the internet and airwaves.
http://rss.infowars.com/Alex.rss

Although I agree with much of what you said especially about elections being rigged (witness the Florida fiasco in November 2000), may I suggest that you shorten your comments and use shorter paragraphs?(I took many journalism classes in college and was a writer for a trade magazine eons ago.) Unfortunately, U.S. citizens have been (intentionally?) dumbed down and most have the attention span of an average two-year-old.

Also, for an intelligent overview of what you are saying, I would suggest that you and anyone else who is interested watch "Wake Up Call - Remastered Full Movie" on YouTube. That will really open your eyes, if they haven't already been opened.

whocares811 wrote:

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Although I agree with much of what you said especially about elections being rigged (witness the Florida fiasco in November 2000), may I suggest that you shorten your comments and use shorter paragraphs?(I took many journalism classes in college and was a writer for a trade magazine eons ago.) Unfortunately, U.S. citizens have been (intentionally?) dumbed down and most have the attention span of an average two-year-old.
Also, for an intelligent overview of what you are saying, I would suggest that you and anyone else who is interested watch "Wake Up Call - Remastered Full Movie" on YouTube. That will really open your eyes, if they haven't already been opened.

Question, How does one rig a hanging chad in an election?

Jammercolo wrote:

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Question, How does one rig a hanging chad in an election?

You're absolutely right. My mistake.

I should have said that the entire Florida 2000 election was a fiasco, resulting in a war-mongering elitist with only a two-digit I.Q. becoming President.

Sorry. VERY sorry.

Brian_G wrote:

Our laws are based on our beliefs. America was founded on the values of ethical monotheism, our rights come from G-d, not man.

Is God a women?

Me wrote:

Religion shouldn't matter a whit in politics.

A miracle...a head was found in hollywood...

who wrote:

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You're absolutely right. My mistake.
I should have said that the entire Florida 2000 election was a fiasco, resulting in a war-mongering elitist with only a two-digit I.Q. becoming President.
Sorry. VERY sorry.

It's all good. Two digit IQ your being kind.LOL

Brian_G wrote:

Our laws are based on our beliefs. America was founded on the values of ethical monotheism, our rights come from G-d, not man.

So what your saying is: Our slave owning founding fathers escaping religious persecution came to American to set up a governmnet to religious persecute others for their religious belief.

LOL, I don't think so.Freedom of religion was always their goal.

Jammercolo wrote:

So what your saying is: Our slave owning founding fathers escaping religious persecution came to American to set up a governmnet to religious persecute others for their religious belief. LOL, I don't think so.Freedom of religion was always their goal.

Not all the founders supported slavery, there is more to our history than your narrow point of view. Our country was founded on judeo christian values, not any one religion. We are free to worship as we please, and elect people who share our moral values to high office.

When George Washington died, he freed his slaves in his will. When Thomas Jefferson died, he left his slaves to his heirs.

It doesn't matter one bit.Im not religious and I don't care what they do on their weekends. Obozo is a black panther supporter. What religion are they ??? Yea I dont care either. Vote obozo out.It doesnt matter what god they worship..I just dont care.At least they are true Americans unlike our vacationer and chief. In fact what religion is Obozo ? what religion is "traitor" ?