Election Poll, June 2012 Debate - Quakertown, PA

Be worried and scared Democrats; Scott Walker won the recall vote against him in Wisconsin.

Score:

Taxpayers 1

Union Thugs 0

I think this will set the stage to derail the runaway change known as "Hope and Change" in November!

you need to thank unions for 40 hr.work wk.health ins. retirement.job safety Did you think companies just gave workers these benifits cause they care about you this is why wages are going down .VOTE FOR Romney and get another BUSH WAR WITH IRAN .SOCIAL SECURITY GONE .MEDICARE GONE MEDICAL CARE ONLY FOR RICH

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Important -Search "They Live moment of revelation" on Youtube if the above clip stops working.

If this was real what would you do? If there were really aliens that saw us as dumb expendable animals would you just sit back and take their abuse. Would it make any difference if "they" were a small group of people known as the illuminati?

The movie "They Live" made in the 1980's predicted everything that has happened and will probably come to pass in terms of citizen surveillance, drones, and psychological warfare in America. Watch the whole movie.

The same thing that happened to Nazi Germany when the citizenry embraced Nazism is happening to us. The populace was dumbed down and manipuated by the illuminati and their bought out politicians and media into being a prideful yet mindless war machine. When the illuminati were done with Germany they were left a defeated, bankrupt and villified nation. No one gives a crap today when the German people say they were lead astray by their bought out politicians. The world is simply glad that in the end they got what they deserved.

America is heading down the same path. We used to be the beacon of freedom to the world but now our country has become a modern day Nazi Germany war machine starting unprovoked wars across the globe. Many people now spit at us when we visit their countries like we are villains.

If and when we are weakened internally/financially to the point that we leave ourselves open to military attack by countries like Russia and China people will cheer our demise. We have become the bad guys because we presently ALLOW a psychopathic offshore banking cartel to run our country through bought off politicians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

That Three Stooges clip sums up the illuminatis mindset very well -our last few Presidents have acted just like dictators.

Occupy Wall Street was started by the illuminati to weaken America and take the focus off them when the global economic collapse occurs. It then got out of control because people started focusing in on the private Federal Reserve. Now the illuminati is trying to clamp down on this movement because we are focusing on them and they are extremely nervous.

Wallstreet and the banks are a symptom of a greater problem. There is nothing wrong with capitalism or corporations however what we now have is crony capitalism, not true capitalism. We must swarm Washington DC and the 12 Federal Reserve Bank locations in the U.S. with massive demonstrations if we are going to take our country back. Any Occupy Wallstreet movement outside of Washington DC or the 12 Federal Reserve Bank locations is a distraction designed to keep the movement fractionalized. We must occupy the main problem, not the symptoms.

Never take freedom for granted. If you love America defend it today by getting informed and taking this country back for Americans. We WILL prevail because clearly Americans aren't going to put up with this shit any longer. The time is now.

This one show explains everything going on. It will change your life when you see how the mainstream media is manipulating us like cattle using the political Left Vs Right paradigm. Download the podcasts and listen.

http://rss.infowars.com/Alex.rss

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

This is our reality:

http://www.infowars.com/leaked-u-s-army-docum...

http://www.infowars.com/pentagon-launches-des...

Here's my take on it. Don't be afraid to speak out as we are all on some type of list by now:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...

You have to understand that free speech on the net is about to be clamped down on in America -mainland China style. Get the sunglasses and spread the word before it's too late. Learn to spot/ignore government paid trolls.

vet wrote:

you need to thank unions for 40 hr.work wk.health ins. retirement.job safety Did you think companies just gave workers these benifits cause they care about you this is why wages are going down .VOTE FOR Romney and get another BUSH WAR WITH IRAN .SOCIAL SECURITY GONE .MEDICARE GONE MEDICAL CARE ONLY FOR RICH

To clarify..they were private sector unions, not bloated, overpaid and underworked public sector unions.

You don't have to buy a car, but you have to pay taxes or else you're jailed!

What do you say to the PSERS pensions that we will be forced to pay for the teachers...who already get better bennies than their private sector counterparts--union or not?!

Medicare and SS need fixing. The Dems bury their heads in the sand thinking the problem will just go away, but ignoring it will have both going the way of the dinosaur sooner than later!

Nuts wrote:

Be worried and scared Democrats; Scott Walker won the recall vote against him in Wisconsin.
Score:
Taxpayers 1
Union Thugs 0
I think this will set the stage to derail the runaway change known as "Hope and Change" in November!

This is definitely bad for Obama's prospects. Wisconsin was strong for Obama in 2008 and hasn't voted Republican since 1984. Walker's belt tightening and reining in of the public employeee's unions with their outrageous pension plans and knife-to-the-throat "bargaining" power has paid off very quickly. The State now has a $120 million SURPLUS and an unemployment rate of 6.2%. It could well serve as a model for the country.

People in the heartland are fed up with Obama's ineptitude. Things are much worse off now than when he took office - and he can't blame it on Dubya any longer, or the "rich", or the Europeans, or the Tsunami, or Sunspots. If his trillion-dollar programs were ever going to work, they'd be working by now. What's he proposing to do in the next four years?- Hell, he can't even commit to a budget. All he can do is keep up the class warfare and Bain Capital BS and hope enough people aren't paying attention.

I love it when I hear him say "why vote for the people who got us into this mess?" when he's used his first term to MAKE IT WORSE! Most of us would like to go back to the unemployment numbers and gas prices that we had before he took office.

Inquiring Mind wrote:

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This is definitely bad for Obama's prospects. Wisconsin was strong for Obama in 2008 and hasn't voted Republican since 1984. Walker's belt tightening and reining in of the public employeee's unions with their outrageous pension plans and knife-to-the-throat "bargaining" power has paid off very quickly. The State now has a $120 million SURPLUS and an unemployment rate of 6.2%. It could well serve as a model for the country.
People in the heartland are fed up with Obama's ineptitude. Things are much worse off now than when he took office - and he can't blame it on Dubya any longer, or the "rich", or the Europeans, or the Tsunami, or Sunspots. If his trillion-dollar programs were ever going to work, they'd be working by now. What's he proposing to do in the next four years?- Hell, he can't even commit to a budget. All he can do is keep up the class warfare and Bain Capital BS and hope enough people aren't paying attention.
I love it when I hear him say "why vote for the people who got us into this mess?" when he's used his first term to MAKE IT WORSE! Most of us would like to go back to the unemployment numbers and gas prices that we had before he took office.

Once again you have it wrong! The people who voted for the Koch boy, Walker said this has nothing to do with November. They will be sticking with President Obama in Nov. and not that weasil Romney who has most of his fortune hidden overseas to avoid paying taxes to the United States! OBAMA 2012!

notoorangeman wrote:

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Once again you have it wrong! The people who voted for the Koch boy, Walker said this has nothing to do with November. They will be sticking with President Obama in Nov. and not that weasil Romney who has most of his fortune hidden overseas to avoid paying taxes to the United States! OBAMA 2012!

Yes, the famed exit polls. They declared Kerry is the new POTUS in 2004. We know how that turned out!

notoorangeman wrote:

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Once again you have it wrong! The people who voted for the Koch boy, Walker said this has nothing to do with November. They will be sticking with President Obama in Nov. and not that weasil Romney who has most of his fortune hidden overseas to avoid paying taxes to the United States! OBAMA 2012!

Bill Clinton and other prominent Democrats are already distancing themselves from Obama. Even you must be disappointed in him by now, just afraid to show it. Lying about Romney's finances and business practices just shows how desparately the Dems want to change the subject.

Inquiring Mind wrote:

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Bill Clinton and other prominent Democrats are already distancing themselves from Obama. Even you must be disappointed in him by now, just afraid to show it. Lying about Romney's finances and business practices just shows how desparately the Dems want to change the subject.

Clinton even said going after Romney's work at Bain, which he called "stellar," won't help Obama one bit.

That line of attack just proves that Obama is completely clueless on how to run a business.

Just a quick look at the sad state this country's in shows that!

Exit Polls wrote:

<quoted text>Clinton even said going after Romney's work at Bain, which he called "stellar," won't help Obama one bit.

That line of attack just proves that Obama is completely clueless on how to run a business.

Just a quick look at the sad state this country's in shows that!

Yes, and I'd like to know what his supporters expect he can do with another four years when we're worse off now than when he took office. What makes them think "more of the same" will work this time? What's he going to do differently? Why should failure be rewarded?

Inquiring Mind wrote:

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Yes, and I'd like to know what his supporters expect he can do with another four years when we're worse off now than when he took office. What makes them think "more of the same" will work this time? What's he going to do differently? Why should failure be rewarded?

then remove all the tax cuts and the tax breaks for businesses.
by your definition the country is worse off so they get to go.
raise cap gains back to the historical levels.
better yet tax it at regular income rates.
i mean why reward failure as you put it.
lets start some draconian penalties for those folks with Swiss bank accounts who are hiding assets.
after all their exists several agencies that identify and track terrorist funding so i guess you need to include those hiding assets overseas.
those countries that do not comply can have their assets frozen until they do.
not to mention you need some real jail time for the wall street types who blew up the economy.
guess you need some strict oversight of wall street.
i am sure that the House is interested in regulating wall street as the current set up is not ideal.

those are just a couple of things that are not working as you say.

dbar wrote:

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then remove all the tax cuts and the tax breaks for businesses.
by your definition the country is worse off so they get to go.
raise cap gains back to the historical levels.
better yet tax it at regular income rates.
i mean why reward failure as you put it.
lets start some draconian penalties for those folks with Swiss bank accounts who are hiding assets.
after all their exists several agencies that identify and track terrorist funding so i guess you need to include those hiding assets overseas.
those countries that do not comply can have their assets frozen until they do.
not to mention you need some real jail time for the wall street types who blew up the economy.
guess you need some strict oversight of wall street.
i am sure that the House is interested in regulating wall street as the current set up is not ideal.
those are just a couple of things that are not working as you say.

You are making the assumption (false) that tax increases will help the economy, they won't. It will only give the government more money to waste and take it away from the productive segment of society.

A low capital gains tax doesn't reward failure - that's just silly. It rewards success! If it and corporate tax rates were lower and competitive with the rest of the world, trillions of dollars would come back to the US to spur the economy. Where's his plan? He can't even get a budget let alone come up with a plan to get the debt and spending under control.

If laws are broken, send the criminals to jail! Why hasn't Obama done that? He and Holder are too busy gutting the Constitution. Some sources seeking impeachment contend that the president himself has broken no less than 21 federal laws thusfar into his term. If he were a man of his word, he wouldn't seek another term. Truth is he's been running for re-election since he was sworn in.

Inquiring Mind wrote:

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You are making the assumption (false) that tax increases will help the economy, they won't. It will only give the government more money to waste and take it away from the productive segment of society.
A low capital gains tax doesn't reward failure - that's just silly. It rewards success! If it and corporate tax rates were lower and competitive with the rest of the world, trillions of dollars would come back to the US to spur the economy. Where's his plan? He can't even get a budget let alone come up with a plan to get the debt and spending under control.
If laws are broken, send the criminals to jail! Why hasn't Obama done that? He and Holder are too busy gutting the Constitution. Some sources seeking impeachment contend that the president himself has broken no less than 21 federal laws thusfar into his term. If he were a man of his word, he wouldn't seek another term. Truth is he's been running for re-election since he was sworn in.

you say that the country is in worse shape and you should not reward failure.
so those tax breaks are not accomplishing the goal of job creation so they should be removed.
the argument about lowering cap gains was all those jobs created when you lowered that rate.
it is not working in your estimate so therefore it should be removed.
as to bringing back offshore money the republicans tried that in the past.
the argument was the same as yours except there was no job creation when the sweetheart deal occurred.
yep that's right no job creation happened when they got their 5 percent tax deal.
so rewarding failure should not be allowed.
as to regulating wall street the right is fighting such regulation tooth and nail.
gutting the Constitution?
please
as usual the right wing kool-aid gives you terms like that.

be glad that President Obama does not mention that he supports breathing,otherwise about two minutes later there would be no republicans left.

dbar wrote:

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you say that the country is in worse shape and you should not reward failure.
so those tax breaks are not accomplishing the goal of job creation so they should be removed.
the argument about lowering cap gains was all those jobs created when you lowered that rate.
it is not working in your estimate so therefore it should be removed.
as to bringing back offshore money the republicans tried that in the past.
the argument was the same as yours except there was no job creation when the sweetheart deal occurred.
yep that's right no job creation happened when they got their 5 percent tax deal.
so rewarding failure should not be allowed.
as to regulating wall street the right is fighting such regulation tooth and nail.
gutting the Constitution?
please
as usual the right wing kool-aid gives you terms like that.
be glad that President Obama does not mention that he supports breathing,otherwise about two minutes later there would be no republicans left.

Don't you find it peculiar that all you can do is blame Republican policy for the economic failures when the Dems and Obama have been in charge for four years?

When do they get to be responsible?

BTW, I like what Obama is doing with the drones - if he does something good that works, I'd even vote for the guy. But he's been a dismal failure on the economy and doesn't understand business at all, never having had a real job. He's an ideologue who's in over his head. He's got to go.

Pretty much because I would vote for Hitler before Obama.

notoorangeman wrote:

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Once again you have it wrong! The people who voted for the Koch boy, Walker said this has nothing to do with November. They will be sticking with President Obama in Nov. and not that weasil Romney who has most of his fortune hidden overseas to avoid paying taxes to the United States! OBAMA 2012!

Obama 2012? You go ahead because the Nitwit in Chief said "the private sector is doing fine." Who is out of touch with the average Joe here? Interesting...

And Chris Matthews even admitted that the media is liberally slanted going back to Kronkite and Murrow!

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreilly-bernie-gol...

Has the experience in the business world and shares my values. Obama does not represent my values and has floundered in the past 3 and a half years.

notoorangeman wrote:

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Once again you have it wrong! The people who voted for the Koch boy, Walker said this has nothing to do with November. They will be sticking with President Obama in Nov. and not that weasil Romney who has most of his fortune hidden overseas to avoid paying taxes to the United States! OBAMA 2012!

Wisconsin may 'stick with Obama' in November, but it likely won't be enough to have him return to the White House. People who are not idealogues or party faithful (of either party) can look around and realize that this administration is flailing and not moving 'forward'. Sorry,'Forward'.

Barring a major event Americans realize they need a change.

Here's how the private sector is doing:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/C...

JJJ wrote:

Here's how the private sector is doing:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/C...

No, that's total corporate profits where large mega companies skew the results with billions in profits. For a real picture, look at the condition of small and medium sized businesses - the heart of the economy. Count the closed stores in shopping centers. That's why unemployment is so high and these are the business owners Obama wants to tax further and drive out of business. This is the private sector that's not doing so well and he's prepared to ignore.