Don't Ask Don't Tell Debate - Douglasville, GA

yes. on the way to the president's desk now. finally.

would you want to be in a fox hole with some queer that instead of dodging bullets, he wanted to cop a feel?I would shoot his ass and bury him in the sand.
then it would really be....DONT ASK--AND I WONT TELL

animal crackers wrote:

would you want to be in a fox hole with some queer that instead of dodging bullets, he wanted to cop a feel?I would shoot his ass and bury him in the sand.
then it would really be....DONT ASK--AND I WONT TELL

Do you really truly believe that a member of our military (regadless of orientation) in a situation where they are in a foxhole dodging bullets would be having sexual thoughts instead of using their training to stay alive?

You're not too bright, are you.

those that share the views expressed by animal crackers are usually people struggling to suppress their own homosexual tendencies.

i find it comical that the very same people in the media that want to have this matter repealed cite the survey sent out to our troops. i was sent the survey, and i asked quite a few of my fellow soldiers on blogs in the military and our military only blogs on the net the same questions. a lot of them are concerned with troop cohesion, new ucmj rules because of gays, combat readiness, etc. were voiced. everyone in the media says other nations have homosexuals in the service. has anyone said to the media what branches they are serving in those other nations. could they be in support roles not combat arms? me personally, i find it disgusting and personally revolting. i for one if you were wounded and i knew for a fact that you were gay, i got bad news for you. i am not touching you in any way shape or fashion. oh now there will be those like RHC that say i suppress this or that (got news for you, i like women, always have always will) which is a crock of ****. and yes there will be those that say you don;t know who has what, but (no pun intended), why take the chance on someone whose very lifestyle has been known as carriers. ask any combat arm troop or marine about this, and i can almost guarantee you alot of them will say, no, i don't like it.

not pc anymore wrote:

i find it comical that the very same people in the media that want to have this matter repealed cite the survey sent out to our troops. i was sent the survey, and i asked quite a few of my fellow soldiers on blogs in the military and our military only blogs on the net the same questions. a lot of them are concerned with troop cohesion, new ucmj rules because of gays, combat readiness, etc. were voiced. everyone in the media says other nations have homosexuals in the service. has anyone said to the media what branches they are serving in those other nations. could they be in support roles not combat arms? me personally, i find it disgusting and personally revolting. i for one if you were wounded and i knew for a fact that you were gay, i got bad news for you. i am not touching you in any way shape or fashion. oh now there will be those like RHC that say i suppress this or that (got news for you, i like women, always have always will) which is a crock of ****. and yes there will be those that say you don;t know who has what, but (no pun intended), why take the chance on someone whose very lifestyle has been known as carriers. ask any combat arm troop or marine about this, and i can almost guarantee you alot of them will say, no, i don't like it.

you do know that heteros carry hiv as well, dont you?

not pc anymore wrote:

i find it comical that the very same people in the media that want to have this matter repealed cite the survey sent out to our troops. i was sent the survey, and i asked quite a few of my fellow soldiers on blogs in the military and our military only blogs on the net the same questions. a lot of them are concerned with troop cohesion, new ucmj rules because of gays, combat readiness, etc. were voiced. everyone in the media says other nations have homosexuals in the service. has anyone said to the media what branches they are serving in those other nations. could they be in support roles not combat arms? me personally, i find it disgusting and personally revolting. i for one if you were wounded and i knew for a fact that you were gay, i got bad news for you. i am not touching you in any way shape or fashion. oh now there will be those like RHC that say i suppress this or that (got news for you, i like women, always have always will) which is a crock of ****. and yes there will be those that say you don;t know who has what, but (no pun intended), why take the chance on someone whose very lifestyle has been known as carriers. ask any combat arm troop or marine about this, and i can almost guarantee you alot of them will say, no, i don't like it.

I find it comical that people still get worried about a stupid diversion of attention like this while the government is ripping them a new every where else , why dot we argue about flag burning a little that will alss draw a lot of foolish attention

All I see happening is a LOT of assaults for unwelcome advances. While I think homosexuals should be allowed to marry and have any other kind of job, I also know how people feel about having unwanted people forced upon them with little or no choice. THAT is where the government continually gets it wrong. Forcing people to accept changes they don't want and don't need. If homosexuals want to serve in the military then form homosexual units and see if they can live up to the no-fraternization rules. In other words, this issue needs a test case, not blind acceptance.

I find it amazing that our big bad soldiers can't deal with unwanted sexual advances.*laugh*

Bottom line, government (and, by default, our military) has no business issuing decrees based on sexual preference. None. Repealing it is the right thing to do.

Joe Yule Jr wrote:

I find it amazing that our big bad soldiers can't deal with unwanted sexual advances.*laugh*
Bottom line, government (and, by default, our military) has no business issuing decrees based on sexual preference. None. Repealing it is the right thing to do.

Actually they CAN deal with unwanted advances. That will become the problem. When I worked for Disney in Florida we had to warn the gay guys specifically NOT to even so much as ask for the time from the Moroccan guys. We were warned that they are VERY hostile toward homosexuals. But sure enough, in Disney's free for all environment one of them finally had to cross the line and make a move on a Moroccan guy. Who immediately pummeled the gay guy till he couldn't move and had to be pulled off of him by security. Some people just have to learn the hard way that not everybody is every going to accept homosexuals. For them the world is a fantasyland of universal acceptance and free orgasms for all. The problem with the military is that some of the guys that the homosexuals shouldn't approach are armed. Let's see what all this wonderful "acceptance" brings. WDW

did i not tell you folks there would be someone to point out that not only homosexuals can get hiv... it did not take long for the comeback. duh.
as far as big bad army dudes can not handle the situation, they will. guarantee you the first advance one gets from a gay person, oops, your teeth are missing gay guy. it has happened, it will happen again. and yes i think the military will change rules of ucmj actions for this very group. no we don't want special rules or special treatment. your very existence demands it because of society's tolerance or intolerance. either way you are getting some form of special something because of your whatever.
i agree let them marry whomever they want, give them family rights in hospitals and marital law. i do not and have not ever had a problem with that. just do not wave your flag or yell in my face about your lifestyle. keep it to yourself. i do not wave mine in yours.

This is really a generational issue. The old white men voted to continue DADT and the more progressive legislators voted to move on.

The Women’s Suffrage and The Civil Rights Movement included violence as by products and some narrow minded people still don’t accept either but all three were [and are] the right thing to do. Do we keep oppressing people because evil folks will object?
Please.

Linda wrote:

This is really a generational issue. The old white men voted to continue DADT and the more progressive legislators voted to move on.

Why is it that "Old White Men" are becoming the new group to be hated? Only a handful of "Old White Men" are in charge, not ALL of them. And plenty of us "Old White Men" are honorable and don't rip people off. Ya'll need to check yourselves before you create a new group to hate. You could be way off target.

Is any one ever concerned about the rights of the hetero soldiers? Do the majority have no rights?? This stupid rule would force the hetero soldiers to go through boot camp with no protection from the unwanted stares and advances. It happens now with out the new ruling, but at least the gay soldiers know not to openly say anything. Now they can flirt all they want and nothing can be done.

I see a lot of law suites in our nations future!

Then, there will be separate quarters for the gay soldiers, how much will that cost?

Just stay in the closet and save your country some money!!!

Linda wrote:

This is really a generational issue. The old white men voted to continue DADT and the more progressive legislators voted to move on.

Stupid comment. Have you ever served?

Polemics wrote:

The Women’s Suffrage and The Civil Rights Movement included violence as by products and some narrow minded people still don’t accept either but all three were [and are] the right thing to do. Do we keep oppressing people because evil folks will object?
Please.

You are equating someone's sex or color to another's sexual choice? Those 2 things are not the same. People should be treated the same no matter what, but what goes on in their bedroom should stay in their bedroom and not any where else. Your sexual choices do not give you "extra rights".

Does anyone realize that gays served in the military under DADT? I know a couple of people who are currently serving and are open homosexuals in the civilian world. All that is asked by the military is that they do not talk about what goes on in their bedroom. In boot camp, they break down the individual in order to create an elite force that works as one together. IMO, the government just weakened our forces by forcing individuality on the military.(kinda ironic in todays socialist environment) I agree with Anon Me, sleeping with the same sex doesn't make you special. This is going to open up a new can of worms.

muslums will cut your head off if they find out you are gay

Being a Military member, I can tell you that DADT was a blessing to a gay Service member. Just wait till they see the regulations that being a Open Gay member will entail, they'll wish it was back to the way it was before. It will be so easy for them to be accused of harassment and charged under UCMJ. All they have to do is look at a straight member and they'll be prosecuted. In the past a member was presumed to not be gay, because being gay was not allowed, now they can be persumed to be gay, because it's allowed.

The Military is not a place for Social Experiments. It has a job to do and that does not include making people happy about their sexuality.There are 1,000's of jobs in the military and some places a gay might fit, but not in Combat Arms. 1 out of 10 never fire a weapon except on a range.

You take 9 straight soldier's in a rifle squad and put in one openly gay man, you have a problem and they won't last long. Life in the military is about cohesion, this will not take place with a gay person, it's about being willing to give your life for another. Sometimes this has to occur in a very short period of time. Example : you lose 3 men in a firefight, the next day you receive 3 replacements. Those replacements have to bond and be accepted instantaneously, because that same day you might be in battle again. Been there done that and I'll tell you, when your life is on the line, you do what you have to do and you'll not let someone else get you killed, you take action. Misfits do not last, be it someone from the ghetto in Detroit, a gay from Atlanta or a pot smoker from Podunk.

In 17 Years of DATA the Military has removed 13,000 Gays or People who acted or said they were Gay ( 750 a year adv.) during the same period of time they released 57,000 for flat feet. During the same 17 years 3 Million have joined the Military.