Civil Unions Debate - Vanceburg, KY

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Are Civil Unions Enough?

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CountryQueen

Russell, KY

#1 Jan 13, 2012
i used to be OK with Civil Unions until (after many debates...all lost) until I was "schooled" that it is about more. This country can't tout "all men are created equal" and then you allow perfect equality. Straight people take marriage for granted (it seems)... I'm surprised that yall can't marry one day and divorce the nex....ohhhhhhhhhhhh YOU DO!
ProudConservativ e

Cleveland, OH

#2 Jan 13, 2012
CountryQueen wrote:
i used to be OK with Civil Unions until (after many debates...all lost) until I was "schooled" that it is about more. This country can't tout "all men are created equal" and then you allow perfect equality. Straight people take marriage for granted (it seems)... I'm surprised that yall can't marry one day and divorce the nex....ohhhhhhhhhhhh YOU DO!
You're not suppose to get divorced.
You're forgetting a part of that quote, though. You have certain rights given to you by your creator.... Which creator gave a man the right to marry a man?

“greatest prayer is patience”

Since: May 09

Vanceburg

#3 Jan 13, 2012
tell me. something that i just found-out...you know that hymn "America, the beautiful"? Lesbian wrote it! Isn't that the coolest!?

http://www.gayheroes.com/bates.shtml

“greatest prayer is patience”

Since: May 09

Vanceburg

#4 Jan 13, 2012
http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/files...

"A Kiev art museum contains a curious icon from St. Catherine's Monastery on Mt. Sinai in Israel. It shows two robed Christian saints. Between them is a traditional Roman ‘pronubus’(a best man), overseeing a wedding. The pronubus is Christ. The married couple are both men.

Is the icon suggesting that a gay "wedding" is being sanctified by Christ himself? The idea seems shocking. But the full answer comes from other early Christian sources about the two men featured in the icon, St. Sergius and St. Bacchus,2 two Roman soldiers who were Christian martyrs. These two officers in the Roman army incurred the anger of Emperor Maximian when they were exposed as ‘secret Christians’ by refusing to enter a pagan temple. Both were sent to Syria circa 303 CE where Bacchus is thought to have died while being flogged. Sergius survived torture but was later beheaded. Legend says that Bacchus appeared to the dying Sergius as an angel, telling him to be brave because they would soon be reunited in heaven."...
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Columbia, SC

#5 Jan 13, 2012
The Treaty of Tripoli (Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary) was the first treaty concluded between the United States of America and Tripolitania, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796 and at Algiers (for a third-party witness) on January 3, 1797. It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797 and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
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Columbia, SC

#6 Jan 13, 2012
ProudConservative wrote:
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You're not suppose to get divorced.
You're forgetting a part of that quote, though. You have certain rights given to you by your creator.... Which creator gave a man the right to marry a man?
The founding father were deist so not the christian one.
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Columbia, SC

#7 Jan 14, 2012
Also christians use to use the bible to try to stop integration. They said that is was gos curse on the black man to be les than equal.

They sighted this verse"
Genesis 9:20-27
King James Version (KJV)

20And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Also in American history Christians used the bible to justify slavery. You can find many verse about the right to own slaves in the bible.

Although I do not think you could find a CHristian today that would support slavery or segregation.
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Columbia, SC

#8 Jan 15, 2012
Wow no one has a come?
ProudConservativ e

Willard, OH

#9 Jan 16, 2012
Read more wrote:
<quoted text>The founding father were deist so not the christian one.
Do some homework on our founding fathers. All of them turned to God when having issues with the declaration of independence.
fisher

United States

#10 Jan 16, 2012
Read more wrote:
Wow no one has a come?
There's a simple truth you need to understand: putting a saddle on a mule doesn't make it a racehorse.
Just because someone claims they're a "Christian" doesn't make it so.

“greatest prayer is patience”

Since: May 09

Vanceburg

#11 Jan 16, 2012
wow fisher hit that on the head
Joe Chip

Morehead, KY

#12 Jan 16, 2012
Homophobia is never a reason to deny anyone simple rights, especially in the land of the free..
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Columbia, SC

#14 Jan 16, 2012
fisher wrote:
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There's a simple truth you need to understand: putting a saddle on a mule doesn't make it a racehorse.
Just because someone claims they're a "Christian" doesn't make it so.
I understand that. I am just point out the historical fact that must christians used to bible to justify slavery and seperate but equal. They are using it now to try to deny homosexual's rights.

No one is this country has right because we belong to a group such as, white, black, gay, or jewish. We all have right because we are all people.
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Columbia, SC

#15 Jan 16, 2012
ProudConservative wrote:
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Do some homework on our founding fathers. All of them turned to God when having issues with the declaration of independence.
NOt true. Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin were all deist.

Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

Historian Barry Schwartz writes: "George Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and superficial because he was not himself a Christian... He repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited for her outside the sanctuary... Even on his deathbed, Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His representative." [New York Press, 1987, pp. 174-175]

"... Some books against Deism fell into my hands... It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
- Ben Franklin

So now I will tell you that our 7th president Andrew Jackson was a devout christian. When Presbyterian Reverebd Ezra Stiles Ely wroet a sermon in 1827 on a, " Christian Party in Politics."
Jackson responded against the idea.

So he made a commmittee to rule on the legality of such a party.

In the report, presented to Congress on January 19, 1829, Johnson argued that government was "a civil, and not a religious institution", and as such could not legislate the tenets of any particular denomination.[2] The report was applauded as an elegant defense of the doctrine of separation of church and state, but again Johnson did not escape charges of conflict of interest due to his having friends who were contracted to haul mail, and who would have suffered financially from the proposal.[10
ProudConservativ e

Greenup, KY

#16 Jan 16, 2012
Read more wrote:
<quoted text>NOt true. Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin were all deist.

Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

Historian Barry Schwartz writes: "George Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and superficial because he was not himself a Christian... He repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited for her outside the sanctuary... Even on his deathbed, Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His representative." [New York Press, 1987, pp. 174-175]

"... Some books against Deism fell into my hands... It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
- Ben Franklin

So now I will tell you that our 7th president Andrew Jackson was a devout christian. When Presbyterian Reverebd Ezra Stiles Ely wroet a sermon in 1827 on a, " Christian Party in Politics."
Jackson responded against the idea.

So he made a commmittee to rule on the legality of such a party.

In the report, presented to Congress on January 19, 1829, Johnson argued that government was "a civil, and not a religious institution", and as such could not legislate the tenets of any particular denomination.[2] The report was applauded as an elegant defense of the doctrine of separation of church and state, but again Johnson did not escape charges of conflict of interest due to his having friends who were contracted to haul mail, and who would have suffered financially from the proposal.[10
No sir. George Washington constantly talked about the "Invisible hand". Do you know what that was? God.
You can read and listen to what the "historians" say, but I've read his actual journal entries. I go by what he said.
All the prayers he said.
George Washington also made the entire government stop working on the declaration of independence at one point, due to arguing, and told them to go to church. Yes, he went to church, Jefferson went to church, Franklin went to church.

That's the true history. None of the crap you've "heard".
fisher

United States

#17 Jan 16, 2012
Read more wrote:
<quoted text>I understand that. I am just point out the historical fact that must christians used to bible to justify slavery and seperate but equal. They are using it now to try to deny homosexual's rights.

No one is this country has right because we belong to a group such as, white, black, gay, or jewish. We all have right because we are all people.
You're still saying "Christians" did these things. All I am trying to make you understand is that those "Christians" were NOT Christians. They merely laid claim to Christianity to appease their social qualms. On top of that, why not twist the word of God to justify their actions further?

“greatest prayer is patience”

Since: May 09

Vanceburg

#18 Jan 16, 2012
can you cite that, please? Out of curiosity I'd like to read his journals...
who cares

Morehead, KY

#19 Jan 16, 2012
fisher wrote:
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You're still saying "Christians" did these things. All I am trying to make you understand is that those "Christians" were NOT Christians. They merely laid claim to Christianity to appease their social qualms. On top of that, why not twist the word of God to justify their actions further?
You mean just like they do now?...Seems to me nothing has changed...Same ol same ol,just in different times....Theres always somebody that has to drag religion into every single thing and theres no need in it.You cant change who a person is or how they live....The sooner ppl learn that,the better off we will all be.
fisher

United States

#20 Jan 16, 2012
who cares wrote:
<quoted text>You mean just like they do now?...Seems to me nothing has changed...Same ol same ol,just in different times....Theres always somebody that has to drag religion into every single thing and theres no need in it.You cant change who a person is or how they live....The sooner ppl learn that,the better off we will all be.
I haven't said a single word about civil unions, homosexuality or slavery--nor do I claim to be a Christian. My comments were merely pointing out that claiming and attaining are two different things--especially when it comes to God. Whether we are willing to admit or admonish it, God gets lots of "false advertisement" from "unlicensed representatives" whose company and business He has no stock in.
firm believer in god

Vanceburg, KY

#21 Jan 16, 2012
i beleive god made woman for man he made adam & eve not adam & steve

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