Death Penalty Debate - Williamsburg, KY

Morally wrong, but even if it weren't, it's too arbitrarily applied. I'm a defense lawyer. I've represented several people facing the death penalty, at least one of whom deserved it. He got 40 years. People who have done much less than he did have been executed. That's arbitrary. It shouldn't depend on the lawyers, the judge, or where you are.

Vet wrote:

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Capital punishment is the law of the land, get over it.

The law changes. Doesn't make it morally right.

Bernard Shakey wrote:

Morally wrong, but even if it weren't, it's too arbitrarily applied. I'm a defense lawyer. I've represented several people facing the death penalty, at least one of whom deserved it. He got 40 years. People who have done much less than he did have been executed. That's arbitrary. It shouldn't depend on the lawyers, the judge, or where you are.

I agree with Vince, it is the law in many states. The law must be enforced.

Bernard Shakey wrote:

Morally wrong, but even if it weren't, it's too arbitrarily applied. I'm a defense lawyer. I've represented several people facing the death penalty, at least one of whom deserved it. He got 40 years. People who have done much less than he did have been executed. That's arbitrary. It shouldn't depend on the lawyers, the judge, or where you are.

I would assume that you believe murder is morally wrong also. Of course the laws are applied arbitrarily, the criminal justice system is not perfect but it's the best we can do. Nothing in life is perfect but the Death Penalty is the law of the land in 34 states and in the US government and in the military. Get over it.

Bernard Shakey wrote:

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The law changes. Doesn't make it morally right.

Nor does you saying it is morally wrong make it morally wrong. There are 34 states and most of the respondents on this Topix poll that disagree with you including myself.

Vet wrote:

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I would assume that you believe murder is morally wrong also. Of course the laws are applied arbitrarily, the criminal justice system is not perfect but it's the best we can do. Nothing in life is perfect but the Death Penalty is the law of the land in 34 states and in the US government and in the military. Get over it.

Welcome back Vet...!

Vet wrote:

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Nor does you saying it is morally wrong make it morally wrong. There are 34 states and most of the respondents on this Topix poll that disagree with you including myself.

The Death Penalty is morally and intellectually wrong for many reasons. If the state kills an innocent person the state becomes guilty of murder and if you then followed the logic of the death penalty you would have to kill the entire state.

If you accidentally lock up an innocent person you might compensate them with money. If however, the state killed your innocent son, daughter, father, mother etc. how much money would it take to compensate you?

No amount of money can bring them back if the state makes a mistake. So the Death Penalty, as a law, is stupid, backward and needs to be defied and changed.

Just like slavery was a stupid law that needed to be defied and we fought a civil war to stop.

Just like the Divine Right of Kings was a stupid law we defied and fought the revolutionary war to stop.

The Death Penalty is a stupid law that must be defied so it can be stopped that is how humanity progresses; by stopping stupid laws and writing new, sane, and intelligent law.

And innocent people are murdered using the Death Penalty, just ask Jesus.

Pro Freedom Phil wrote:

<quoted text>The Death Penalty is morally and intellectually wrong for many reasons. If the state kills an innocent person the state becomes guilty of murder and if you then followed the logic of the death penalty you would have to kill the entire state.
If you accidentally lock up an innocent person you might compensate them with money. If however, the state killed your innocent son, daughter, father, mother etc. how much money would it take to compensate you?
No amount of money can bring them back if the state makes a mistake. So the Death Penalty, as a law, is stupid, backward and needs to be defied and changed.
Just like slavery was a stupid law that needed to be defied and we fought a civil war to stop.
Just like the Divine Right of Kings was a stupid law we defied and fought the revolutionary war to stop.
The Death Penalty is a stupid law that must be defied so it can be stopped that is how humanity progresses; by stopping stupid laws and writing new, sane, and intelligent law.
And innocent people are murdered using the Death Penalty, just ask Jesus.

"Innocent" people are murdered by murderers, a concept you don't seem able to grasp. I sure hope you are better prepared than before, you were pretty pathetic. It seems you aren't. Maybe the civil rights laws are stupid and should be defied. Fortunately you don't get to decide which laws are "stupid," chump.

Dee Lay wrote:

<quoted text>Welcome back Vet...!

Thanks, Dee. I've been down in the Caribbean preparing our home down there. The mielda will be hitting the fan when the real cuts in gov.spending start.

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Dee Lay wrote:

<quoted text>I agree with Vince, it is the law in many states. The law must be enforced.

Every day mothers murder their unborn babies, but the law of the land says, "That's OK. It's just a medical proceedure!"

My logic says, "If abortion is OK; then, so is capital punishment."

I do not happen to believe either is OK.

Vet wrote:

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"Innocent" people are murdered by murderers, a concept you don't seem able to grasp. I sure hope you are better prepared than before, you were pretty pathetic. It seems you aren't. Maybe the civil rights laws are stupid and should be defied. Fortunately you don't get to decide which laws are "stupid," chump.

As an American we not only can stand up against stupid, unjust laws, we are commanded to do so by our Constitution "chump". This country was formed because the founders defied their government's unjust laws.

You seem incapable (like most conservatives)to argue any striaght forward valid point. So instead of just calling me names why don't you try to argue me point for point?

Point #1. The Death Penalty is morally and intellectually wrong for many reasons. If the state kills an innocent person the state becomes guilty of murder and if you then followed the logic of the death penalty you would have to kill the entire state.

Point #2. If you accidentally lock up an innocent person you might compensate them with money. If however, the state killed your innocent son, daughter, father, mother etc. how much money would it take to compensate you? No amount of money can bring them back if the state makes a mistake. So the Death Penalty, as a law, is stupid, backward and needs to be defied and changed.

#3. Just like slavery was a stupid law that needed to be defied and we fought a civil war to stop. Just like the Divine Right of Kings was a stupid law we defied and fought the revolutionary war to stop. The Death Penalty is a stupid law that must be defied so it can be stopped that is how humanity progresses; by stopping stupid laws and writing new, sane, and intelligent law.

Side point: And innocent people are murdered using the Death Penalty, just ask Jesus. It happened to him remember?

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mike wrote:

All for the death penalty

I am with you...!!

Dee Lay wrote:

<quoted text>I am with you...!!

Your just like the Roman soldiers that killed Jesus right DeeDee? I you would be. Just like you would betray your country you would betray christ right Judas?

Pro Freedom Phil wrote:

<quoted text>Your just like the Roman soldiers that killed Jesus right DeeDee? I you would be. Just like you would betray your country you would betray christ right Judas?

WOW ..Some times your just stupid...lol

Dee Lay wrote:

<quoted text>WOW ..Some times your just stupid...lol

Well, your always stupid DeeDee but let me clarify: Your just like the Roman soldiers that killed Jesus right DeeDee? If you had been told to kill Jesus by your Republican overlords you would be the first one in line. Just like you would betray your country you would betray christ right Judas?

Pro Freedom Phil wrote:

I oppose the death penalty for several different reasons put here are my top three:
#1. If you make a mistake you can't make it right. If you accidentally lock-up the wrong person for a crime you can't give them their time back but you can at least compensate them, you can't give a life back.
#2. I don't trust the state to do it right they can't even pave the frigging roads right.
#3. Allowing the state to kill it's own people is the first step toward tyranny, totalitarianism and a Fascist state.

Still belive in killing un born babys but want all death row inmates to live out their lives on the tax payers dime.....your a joke

Point #1. The Death Penalty is morally and intellectually wrong for many reasons. If the state kills an innocent person the state becomes guilty of murder and if you then followed the logic of the death penalty you would have to kill the entire state.

Not to worry about your point number one if you are on death row in the state of Kentucky because the have inmates on death row for over 20 years. The man who killed my sister 15 years ago is still there. I am sure my sister would have loved to have another 15 years to live.

Eye for an EYE wrote:

Point #1. The Death Penalty is morally and intellectually wrong for many reasons. If the state kills an innocent person the state becomes guilty of murder and if you then followed the logic of the death penalty you would have to kill the entire state.

No, the state would be guilty of an accident. Accidental deaths are quite common. The state takes extraordinary care to protect the lives of those accused of murder. Much more care than for other accidental deaths or for protection of potential murder victims.