Death Penalty Debate - Buffalo, NY

Discuss the national Death Penalty debate in Buffalo, NY.

Would you support the death penalty for the Arizona shooter?

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karl

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#22
Feb 8, 2012
 
I support the death penalty for anyone who would otherwise spend the rest of theyre life in jail
Eric Green

Buffalo, NY

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#24
Nov 6, 2012
 
If someone takes a life they should have to have an equal punishment for what they did
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Lancaster, NY

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#25
Nov 6, 2012
 
To many useless eaters in jail, kill em all
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Lancaster, NY

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#26
Nov 6, 2012
 
We should kill everyone who is currently imprisoned for life, all the child molesters,all the crackheads,and anyone you catch in your home. And any adult male who is in the mall for longer than 1 hour and isnt employed there.
smarks2

Binghamton, NY

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#27
Dec 10, 2012
 
I am for the death penalty. First of all, if people are just going to spend their entire life in prison, what's the point? We waste taxpayer's valuable money keeping them alive...they're more comfortable in prison then they would be on the streets! We're trillions of dollars in debt and shouldn't have to support criminals who have committed crimes so heinous that they have been condemned to a life in a cell anyway! If the argument is that they are being held for our protection, well, we'll be just as protected if they were sent to the chair.
drobins5

Binghamton, NY

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#28
Dec 10, 2012
 
The death penalty should never be an option. Killing is always wrong, no matter if the person themselves is a murderer. Two wrongs don't make a right. Also executions cost more than life in prison. It costs $2 million per person to be on death row whereas only about $500, 000 for life in prison. Either way, the chair or life in prison guarantees no future crime. But life in prison is the more humane way of dealing with criminals.
smarks2

Binghamton, NY

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#29
Dec 10, 2012
 
The half then reason it costs so much to send someone to the chair is because it takes YEARS for them to ever GET to the chair. In addition, that price is hiked up because in the case of capital offenses, the defendant is entitled two attorneys and the trial process usually lasts months. Plus the appeals process costs a lot, and the price of supervising someone on death row is extremely costly. So, YES, it costs a lot to put someone in the chair but even if they went through all those trials, it would still cost a ridiculous amount of money on top of what it would cost to keep the person alive in prison for the rest of their lives.
And do you really believe that it is HUMANE to let a human live out his life in a cell, anyway? Minimal human contact, dangerous people surrounding them, every second of their life plotted out for them? I imagine the monotony would be unbearable.
jgjg27

Lynbrook, NY

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#30
Dec 10, 2012
 
I agree with the death penalty but only for certain offenders. Cop killers, and terrorists who were caught in the act of murder by more than one reliable witness. There was recently an innocent individual that had been on death row for 35 years that was released because they real criminal was finally found. That is unacceptable and until there is a 100 percent way to make sure that no innocent people are put on death row, I can't agree with it
drobins5

Binghamton, NY

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#31
Dec 10, 2012
 
I agree with jgig27... The innocent may be wrongly executed. Since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, 82 inmates have been freed from Death Row. That's 1 Death Row inmate found wrongly convicted for every 7 executed. Not to mention the fact that the death penalty isn't a deterrent; crime rates have not gone down and in fact, the murder rate in the US is 6 times that of Britain and 5 times that of Australia. Neither of which have the death penalty.
smarks2

Binghamton, NY

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#32
Dec 10, 2012
 
The death penalty doesn't CAUSE crime or killers. We also have a country that is a hell of a lot larger then all of Europe put together, and Australia as well.

" That's 1 Death Row inmate found wrongly convicted for every 7 executed."

But that's seven people who had an extremely high likelihood that they committed horrible horrible acts. What of serial killers, who take the lives of dozens of people each year? What of people who plant bombs in cars and buildings? Think of it this way - the men who hijacked the planes on 9/11. Think of all the people they killed and the lives they destroyed, not just on that day, but the lives of the soldiers who were then deported, and things of that nature. Provided he was caught and was a US citizen, you think he isn't deserving of the chair?
drobins5

Binghamton, NY

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#33
Dec 10, 2012
 
I am not saying that he does not deserved to be punished but for someone like that, the death penalty is the easy way out. People such as terrorists, do things like that knowing full well death is what their end will be. Having life in prison would torture them, force them to think of what they did and how it affected their lives. The death penalty promotes killing as an OK solution to a difficult problem. Capital punishment is cruel and unusual. It's a barbaric practice that has no place in a civilized society such as the United States;
smarks2

Binghamton, NY

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#34
Dec 10, 2012
 
Terrorists like the ones who flew those planes do not care about the people they have hurt. In fact, they don't even think they've done anything wrong. They truly believe what they are doing is GOOD. And leaving them to rot in a jail cell for fifty years will not change that opinion. it might give them the chance to pass their beliefs on, but if they are already willing to die for their beliefs, there's no way reflecting on what they've done will make them feel any remorse, guilt, or sorrow.
If it was so barbaric, less counties in the UN would have abolished it. As of now, approx. 50% of all counties in the UN have some form of the death penalty.
drobins5

Binghamton, NY

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#35
Dec 10, 2012
 
Opposition to the death penalty does not rise from misplaced sympathy for murderers. In fact I believe that murder demonstrates a lack of respect for human life. Murder is despicable and state- authorized killings is just as immoral. A decent and humane society doesn't deliberately kill people. Killing does not solve problems and it is an awful example to set for society. The United Nations in fact, called for all Member States which use the death penalty to abolish this practice, stressing that the right to life lies at the heart of international human rights law. “The taking of life is too absolute, too irreversible, for one human being to inflict on another, even when backed by legal process,” Mr. Ban told a panel organized by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) on ‘Moving away from the death penalty – Lessons from national experiences’ at UN Headquarters in New York.(July 3, 2012)
smarks2

Binghamton, NY

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#36
Dec 10, 2012
 
"Abolitionists may contend that the death penalty is inherently immoral because governments should never take human life, no matter what the provocation. But that is an article of faith, not of fact, just like the opposite position held by abolitionist detractors, including myself... The death penalty honors human dignity by treating the defendant as a free moral actor able to control his own destiny for good or for ill; it does not treat him as an animal with no moral sense, and thus subject even to butchery to satiate human gluttony. Moreover, capital punishment celebrates the dignity of the humans whose lives were ended by the defendant's predation."

-Bruce Fein, JD, General Counsel for the Center for Law and Accountability

If you choose to kill or commit a crime that you KNOW is a capital offense, then you exercise your free will and thus deserve to suffer the punishment given. It was a knowing choice that they made. Thus, it is not inhumane or barbaric. It is a choice.
drobins5

Binghamton, NY

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#37
Dec 10, 2012
 
The US justice system is a corrupt system with way too many innocent victims in jails. America has more than 2 million prisoners, some who are only their because of trace amounts of evidence. The reality is that the United States which proclaims itself the "land of freedom", has the most dishonest, dangerous and crooked legal system of any developed nation. Their should be no death penalty and their should most definitely be more trials with more lenient punishments.
smarks2

Binghamton, NY

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#38
Dec 10, 2012
 
“Here a question arises: whether it is better to be loved than feared, or the reverse. The answer is, of course, that it would be best to be both loved and feared. But since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.”
- Machiavelli’s book “The Prince”.

On the contrary, I believe punishments should in fact be harsher, although I do agree on the fact that the legal system is corrupt. There are so many loopholes that can get evidence disqualified and witnesses discounted, its ridiculous. The process should be more streamlined and harsher, as it has been proven that fear controls better then love. We would still be just, most certainly. But I believe our government is too fax with it's judicial sector. Maybe we'd even have less people on death row if they knew they had a higher chance of getting put on it. But under no circumstance should the death penalty be abolished. it's probably already scaring some people from committing crimes they otherwise would consider.
drobins5

Binghamton, NY

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#39
Dec 10, 2012
 
"It is very clear that deterrents are not effective in the area of capital punishment," said Dr. Jonathan Groner, an associate professor of surgery at Ohio State University College of Medicine and Public Health who researches the deterrent effect of capital punishment. "The psychological mind-set of the criminal is such that they are not able to consider consequences at the time of the crime. Most crimes are crimes of passion that are done in situations involving intense excitement or concern. People who commit these crimes are not in a normal state of mind -- they do not consider the consequences in a logical way," Groner observed. Deterrents may work in instances where the punishment is obvious and immediate, neither of which are true for the death penalty.

This explains the fact that the death penalty really has no scare factor from people committing crimes.
smarks2

Binghamton, NY

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#40
Dec 10, 2012
 
David B. Muhlhausen, PhD, Senior Policy Analyst at the Heritage Foundation's Center for Data Analysis:

"The recent studies using panel data techniques have confirmed what we learned decades ago: Capital punishment does, in fact, save lives... Over the years, several studies have demonstrated a link between executions and decreases in murder rates. In fact, studies done in recent years, using sophisticated panel data methods, consistently demonstrate a strong link between executions and reduced murder incidents. Using a panel data set of over 3,000 counties from 1977 to 1996, Professors Hashem Dezhbakhsh [and] Shepherd of Emory University found that each execution, on average, results in 18 fewer murders (268KB)...

They found that executions had a highly significant negative relationship with murder incidents. Additionally, the implementation of state moratoria is associated with the increased incidence of murders... While opponents of capital punishment allege that it is unfairly used against African–Americans, each additional execution deters the murder of 1.5 African–Americans. Further moratoria, commuted sentences, and death row removals appear to increase the incidence of murder... Americans support capital punishment for two good reasons. First, there is little evidence to suggest that minorities are treated unfairly. Second, capital punishment produces a strong deterrent effect that saves lives."

-just a little something that contradicts what you just stated. Since you will likely come up with another statement saying the inverse, I'll say this: there is evidence in both ways; it has yet to be concluded that the death penalty deters others from committing crimes or not. Thus, it can be considered a possibility as stated above. Therefore, it is better to keep it in place to provide some deterrence if it is currently, rather then remove it and chance that that deterrence be removed. And regardless, tightening up the legal system would increase fear of being caught/incarcerated, thus decreasing crime.
ronone

Pittsburgh, PA

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#41
Dec 10, 2012
 
youtube.com/watch... …no the guy is nuts,,

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Buffalo, NY

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#42
Dec 10, 2012
 
Wow, that's one whole lot of crazy

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