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Who will you blame if the debt ceiling isn't raised?

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LeftWingLiberal

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Jul 31, 2011
 
Our debt problem started all the way back to Vietnam and OPEC (when our free oil as WWII savior ended), and it has continued in an endless succession of unfunded wars, bad energy policy, growth of government -- most prominently by Reagan and the two Bush's -- and countless costly natural disasters of epoch scale.

And for all the crowing by Bill Clinton about leaving office with a surplus, the repeal of Glass-Steagall is one of the worst decisions in the history of this country (we apparently learned nothing from the S&L crisis in the 80's). Coupled with so-called "deregulation" that has only made corporations richer, and consumers poorer, is anyone really surprised that we find ourselves where we are?

The "free market" is a myth and always has been. It simply doesn't exist. Big corporations want big government, as long as they control big government, and are behind almost every regulation enacted in Washington. Big corporations beg for handouts 24-7.

Now Tea Party conservatives want to sack every social program we have, yet give more money ans subsidies to the military, corporations, and the
wealthiest among us. History always repeats itself. Yes, we are that stupid. Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette found out the hard way, and I fear the same will occur on our soil in the very near
future. They will be chasing them through the streets. And like the British, our military will find out that they can't win a battle on someone elses soil, because it's not theirs, it's ours.
LeftWingLiberal

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#2
Jul 31, 2011
 
Explain, are you kidding? There's no explanation necessary.
Larry

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#3
Aug 1, 2011
 
The party of spend, spend, spend!
LeftWingLiberal

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Aug 1, 2011
 
Larry wrote:
The party of spend, spend, spend!
Yes, Republicans.

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#5
Aug 1, 2011
 
The House Republicans and a few democrats crafted a compromise that was rejected by Senate democrats

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Since: Dec 08

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#6
Aug 1, 2011
 
Worth noting that Obumble is pushing for this increase in borrowing, but offers insignificant plans for future cuts.

ANY plan that proposes cuts that are tallied over TEN YEARS is simply trying to mask the problem.

To say that spending will be cut by 'three trillion dollars over ten years' ignores the fact that Obumble is deficit spending 1.5 TRILLION THIS YEAR ALONE. That's FIFTEEN trillion over ten years.

Offering up numbers multiplied by ten serves no purpose but to make that number appear much larger than it actually is.

Obumble wants to spend more money and tack the bill on to people not even born yet.

Criminal!

Since: Sep 09

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Aug 1, 2011
 
The cuts they are trying to tout are less percentage wise than a waitress gets for a tip at a diner, they are nothing.
LeftWingLiberal

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Aug 1, 2011
 
Cut, cut, cut, while we spend trillions on foreign soils to support corrupt administrations, at a time when we should be investing in getting people back to work. It's a form of insanity.
LeftWingLiberal

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Aug 1, 2011
 
Here's what history says: what grows into the most powerful entity of its time, eventually becomes unraveled, and ends up in ashes. It's like time, nothing can stop it, no matter the best intentions, everything runs its course.

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Aug 1, 2011
 
LeftWingLiberal wrote:
Here's what history says: what grows into the most powerful entity of its time, eventually becomes unraveled, and ends up in ashes. It's like time, nothing can stop it, no matter the best intentions, everything runs its course.
Absolutely agree.

However, that's no reason to rush things.
LeftWingLiberal

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Aug 1, 2011
 
LOL... how true.

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Aug 1, 2011
 
LeftWingLiberal wrote:
Cut, cut, cut, while we spend trillions on foreign soils to support corrupt administrations, at a time when we should be investing in getting people back to work. It's a form of insanity.
Agree again.

The money we spend in aid to foreign governments would best be used here at home.

That said, the cuts required at this point are across the board. Spending has become so much of a burden that there is no way we can close the gap between revenue and outlay with selective cuts.

Eliminate all foreign aid. Cut 1/3 off of every other program. This is the only way to close the gap when you are borrowing one dollar out of every three spent. We simply cannot afford this any longer.

I've seen increasing news coverage over the size of the (currently) proposed cuts versus today's deficit. Some folks are starting to notice the '10 year' smoke and mirror campaign.

About time.
LeftWingLiberal

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Aug 1, 2011
 
I agree with you on foreign aid, but it's actually a small number by percentage in the overall budget, still, yes, cut it all and use it at home.

Everyone assumes the military is against all cuts, not always true... a friend of mine told me that the brass was begging Congress to cut certain big dollar items, and the congressmen in those districts fought it no matter how bad the brass wanted to cut it. They don't want to lose the money flowing into their district.
Larry

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Aug 2, 2011
 
LeftWingLiberal wrote:
I agree with you on foreign aid, but it's actually a small number by percentage in the overall budget, still, yes, cut it all and use it at home.
Everyone assumes the military is against all cuts, not always true... a friend of mine told me that the brass was begging Congress to cut certain big dollar items, and the congressmen in those districts fought it no matter how bad the brass wanted to cut it. They don't want to lose the money flowing into their district.
That's the first intelligent thing you've said.
Under the new budget deal, the Pentagon will bear most of the funding cuts.
And we need another round of base closures.
cabin

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#16
Aug 2, 2011
 
Only because 'the president' was not a choice.

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#17
Aug 2, 2011
 
If this whole budget showdown highlighted anything, it's that Obumble is a loser.

He was steamrolled by Republicans...his clever 'trap' was set and he jammed his own face right into it.

This is the 'smart' president? All he's shown thus far is that he is a moron...and a complete, unqualified loser.

Turns out the Carter comparisons were an insult to Carter.

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#18
Aug 2, 2011
 
If Harry Reid is for this deal, there must be somethin monumental lurking in it to bring us to our knees.

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#19
Aug 2, 2011
 
From CNBC

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43975590

"So, as our leaders congratulate themselves for saving the nation, the reality is that they may have just sold it down the river."

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#20
Aug 2, 2011
 
Absolutely right. This 'deal' is nothing more than more debt, more spending and eventual financial ruin.

Fools.
LeftWingLiberal

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Aug 2, 2011
 
Larry wrote:
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That's the first intelligent thing you've said.
Under the new budget deal, the Pentagon will bear most of the funding cuts.
And we need another round of base closures.
No, the most intelligent thing I said was, "Larry is a child."

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