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Who will you blame if the debt ceiling isn't raised?

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NoMoney

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Jul 29, 2011
 
All they want to do is spend on the welfare state.

Since: Jul 11

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Jul 29, 2011
 
You won't have any $$ if the economy crashes!
NoMoney

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Jul 29, 2011
 
And we'll never fix the budget as long as they are in power. You can't spend a dollar when you only earn a dime.
Chris

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Aug 2, 2011
 
The Biggest Government Conspiracy of all is that there are no Government Conspiracies.
Absalom

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Aug 4, 2011
 
NoMoney wrote:
All they want to do is spend on the welfare state.
...and republicans want to spend all the money on rebuilding other countries and fighting wars. no one is better than the other.
NoMoney

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Aug 5, 2011
 
Absalom wrote:
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...and republicans want to spend all the money on rebuilding other countries and fighting wars. no one is better than the other.
Another confused liberal. Ask Hillary and Obrainer since they have funneled billions to other countries the last three years. And they want to funnel another 8 this year.

Nice try, keep passing out the lies.
Absalom

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Aug 5, 2011
 
NoMoney wrote:
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Another confused liberal. Ask Hillary and Obrainer since they have funneled billions to other countries the last three years. And they want to funnel another 8 this year.
Nice try, keep passing out the lies.
More deportations under Obama's administration:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

Bush Jr's path to citizenship:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/394...

Reagan's amnesty for illegal immigrants:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Refo...

Nation building in Iraq 2004:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/30/opi...

Obama refutes nation building in Afghanistan:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,859...

Obama funneling billions into other nations and granting amnesty to illegals? Provide evidence to support your claim or STFU.
NoMoney

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Aug 5, 2011
 
Absalom wrote:
<quoted text>More deportations under Obama's administration
No cursing now, be a good little liberal.

Obama Plans Backdoor Amnesty
http://www.newsmax.com/JamesWalsh/amnestyimmi...

Feds moving to dismiss some deportation cases. Critics assail the plan as a bid to create a kind of backdoor 'amnesty'
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/i...

Feds moving to dismiss some deportation cases
Critics assail the plan as a bid to create a kind of backdoor 'amnesty'
By SUSAN CARROLL
Copyright 2010, HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Aug. 24, 2010, 9:00PM
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Billy Smith II Houston Chronicle

The scene at the Harris County lockup last summer. Culling the immigration court system dockets of noncriminals started in earnest in Houston about a month ago and has stunned immigration attorneys.

The Department of Homeland Security is systematically reviewing thousands of pending immigration cases and moving to dismiss those filed against suspected illegal immigrants who have no serious criminal records, according to several sources familiar with the efforts.

Culling the immigration court system dockets of noncriminals started in earnest in Houston about a month ago and has stunned local immigration attorneys, who have reported coming to court anticipating clients' deportations only to learn that the government was dismissing their cases.
NoMoney

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Aug 5, 2011
 
Obama funneling billions into other nation

http://www.usaid.gov/policy/budget/cbj2011/20...

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/03/13/curious...

“The foreign aid outlay that the Obama administration has put forth in its 2012 budget is $33 billion,” explained Murphy.“$33 billion isn’t chump change, but by the same token it’s not a lot in the grand scheme of what the government spends.”

Because things are so tight this year, the foreign aid budget is under fire. Some Tea Party republicans say it literally should be eliminated.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says that’s shortsighted.“The American people are rightly and justifiably concerned about our national debt, about our economy, and about unemployment, but I think Americans understand the need for responsible investments in our security.”
NoMoney

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Aug 5, 2011
 
Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee Lamar Smith (R-Texas) also offered a comment on the DHS report.

“The deportation of criminal aliens is only one piece of the immigration enforcement pie. While criminal arrests may be on the rise, worksite enforcement has been all but forgotten by the Obama administration. Millions of Americans are struggling to find work, while an estimated seven million illegal immigrants are working in the U.S. Worksite enforcement could help make those much-needed jobs available for U.S. citizen and legal immigrant workers.

"But under President Obama, worksite enforcement administrative arrests are down 77%, criminal arrests are down 60%, indictments are down 64% and convictions are down 68%."

“The Obama administration needs to do more than just enforce a few immigration laws. In addition to deporting criminal aliens, they need to secure the border to ensure those deported cannot come right back into the U.S. And they need to conduct worksite enforcement to punish employers who hire illegal immigrants and make millions of jobs available to U.S. citizen and legal immigrant workers.”
NoMoney

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#11
Aug 5, 2011
 
Deporting one while letting a thousand slide through is the norm.

Posted on CNSNews.com -By Susan Jones-On June 20, 2011:

“( CNSNews.com )– The Obama administration is directing federal immigration officials to use “prosecutorial discretion” in deciding which illegal aliens to detain and deport. &#8232; &#8232;The intention is to kick out the worst offenders and release the all the others – specifically victims of domestic violence and other crimes; witnesses to crimes; or people who are charged with minor traffic violations
NoMoney

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Aug 5, 2011
 
OBAMA Administration ENACTS
Dream Act By Executive Order!

Sign The Dream Act Injunction Today

Were you aware that the DREAM Act requires the Department of Homeland Security to award amnesty to every illegal alien claiming to meet the minimal criteria of:

1. Present in the U.S. for the last five years;
2. A U.S. high school diploma or GED, or admitted to a U.S. institution of higher learning; or U.S. military service and
3. Of “good moral character” with no more than 2 misdemeanor convictions

http://centerforinvestigativereporting.org/ar...
Unusual Methods Helped ICE Break Deportation Record

By Andrew Becker | The Washington Post | December 6, 2010
This story was also published in the Washington Post.

For much of this year, the Obama administration touted its tougher-than-ever approach to immigration enforcement, culminating in a record number of deportations.

But in reaching 392,862 deportations, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement included more than 19,000 immigrants who exited the previous fiscal year, according to agency statistics. ICE also ran a Mexican repatriation program five weeks longer than ever before, allowing the agency to count at least 6,500 exits that, without the program, would normally have been tallied by the U.S. Border Patrol.

When ICE officials realized in the final weeks of the fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30, that the agency still was in jeopardy of falling short of last year’s mark, they scrambled to reach the goal. Officials quietly directed immigration officers to bypass backlogged immigration courts and time-consuming deportation hearings whenever possible, internal emails and interviews show.

Instead, officials told immigration officers to encourage eligible foreign nationals to accept a quick pass to their countries without a negative mark on their immigration record, ICE employees said.
NoMoney

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#13
Aug 5, 2011
 
Thank you Mr President,

The nation received a downgrade to our credit rating. We are now AA+.

Your February budget proposal would have added 1.5 trillion to the deficit. Guess you won.

Thank you.
NoMoney

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#14
Aug 5, 2011
 
And Washington's thinking:

Obama: S&P made serious flaws and errors in thier methology. It is amatuer hour at S&P.

Barney Frank: S&P is a collection of idiots who don't know what they are doing. The people should disregard anything they say as rediculous.

Biden Economic Advisor: Nothing will really happen, they are only 1 of 3 report agencies and the triggers for investors do not block investing for just one reporting agency downgrading.
Absalom

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Aug 5, 2011
 
Firstly, I applaud you for citing sources. It's more than what most people do here.

Here's what I don't understand. Maybe you can clarify this for me. Some deportation cases (which are heard in a federal court) are being moved for dismissal and this is the president's fault. How? He's not a judge and the executive branch does not control a judge's verdict.
Also the government is putting deportation proceedings of illegals who have committed serious crimes ahead of the noncriminals, and you're complaining?

The backdoor amnesty in the form of a the Dream Act is hardly considered amnesty since it requires military service. If you're willing to die for this country, you've earned citizenship.

If you want to consider US foreign aid "funneling money into other nations", that's fine. I will agree wholeheartedly. However Obama's administration did not begin the campaign to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan. We're paying billions of dollars to fix their problem when that money should be spent here at home.

If you've been reading the news, you can thank the Tea Party movement for ruining the credit rating:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/us-c...

http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-national/...
NoMoney

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Aug 6, 2011
 
The Dream Act by legislation would be the law of the land. What is occurring is different as no law has been passed by the houses. By memorandum, federal law enforcement have created an unofficial Dream Act. If you look under the conditions to stop a deportation, just being in the country illegally is not enough to be deported.

I have been to many countries, including our southern neighbors. If caught there illegally, I : go to jail, get deported, receive a fine (if from US) almost immediately.

Here, we are expected to smile and let them stay.

This set of rules applied include: the agency's civil immigration enforcement priorities; the person's length of presence in the United States, with particular consideration given to presence while in lawful status; the circumstances of the person's arrival in the United States and the manner of his or her entry, particularly if the alien came to the United States as a young child; the person's pursuit of education in the United States, with particular consideration given to those who have graduated from a U.S. high school or have successfully pursued or are pursuing a college or advanced degrees at a legitimate institution of higher education in the United States; whether the person, or the person's immediate relative ,has served in the U.S. military, reserves, or national guard, with particular consideration given to those who served in combat; the person's criminal history, including arrests, prior convictions, or outstanding arrest warrants; the person's immigration history, including any prior removal, outstanding order of removal, prior denial of status, or evidence of fraud; whether the person poses a national security or public safety concern the person's ties and contributions to the community, including family relationships; the person's ties to the home country and condition~ in the country; the person's age, with particular consideration given to minors and the elderly; whether the person has a U.S. citizen or permanent resident spouse, child, or parent; whether the person is the primary caretaker of a person with a mental or physical disability, minor, or seriously ill relative; ; whether the person or the person's spouse is pregnant or nursing; whether the person or the person's spouse suffers from severe mental or physical illness; whether the person's nationality renders removal unlikely; Whether the person is likely to be granted temporary or permanent status or other relief from removal, including as a relative of a U.S. citizen or permanent resident; whether the person is likely to be granted temporary or permanent status or other relief from removal, including as an asylum seeker, or a victim of domestic violence, human trafficking, or other crime and. whether the person is currently cooperating or has cooperated with federal, state or local law enforcement authorities, such as ICE, the U.S Attorneys or Department of Justice, the Department of Labor, or National Labor Relations Board, among others
Absalom

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Aug 6, 2011
 
I am going to agree with you 100% here. I have a brother who works as a border patrolman. Interestingly, he came here to this country illegally, served 12 years in the marines, got his degree, and now he works for the government patrolling the borders. Anyway, his favorite pasttime was going to Home Depot or to work sites and round up illegal immigrants left and right. After a few months of doing this he was called in to the office by his supervisor and told to stop doing this because it's going to cause a lot of trouble. It's frustrating.
I am all for enforcement of our immigration laws, and I feel that countries who whine about ours need to take a look at themselves first. How is it that they are going to demand rights for their people when they themselves won't grant them? Ughh....
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#18
Aug 6, 2011
 
I have many friends in DHS and other agencies that are being ordered to stop enforcement of our laws by Washington. Many newspaper articles on this out there also.

I welcome all legals. I want all illegals kicked out.
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Aug 6, 2011
 
Absalom wrote:
Here's what I don't understand. Maybe you can clarify this for me. Some deportation cases (which are heard in a federal court) are being moved for dismissal and this is the president's fault. How? He's not a judge and the executive branch does not control a judge's verdict.
They are being moved for dismissal on request of US DOJ and ICE.

The POTUS pick as agency heads are driving this via memorandums, in clear violation of statutes. But, if DOJ look the other way, who will prosecute. Under Holder, DOJ is developing a long history of failure to enforce US laws.
Absalom

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Aug 7, 2011
 
NoMoney wrote:
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They are being moved for dismissal on request of US DOJ and ICE.
The POTUS pick as agency heads are driving this via memorandums, in clear violation of statutes. But, if DOJ look the other way, who will prosecute. Under Holder, DOJ is developing a long history of failure to enforce US laws.
This has been a policy that's been around for a very long time. ICE is under the dept of homeland security is it not?

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