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Who will you blame if the debt ceiling isn't raised?

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twenty sumthin

Wilson, NC

#1 Aug 1, 2011
Thanks to everyone who voted to lessen the debt that we must pay.We blame the spineless baby boomers for getting us in this mess.We promise not to vote for Obama again in 2012.Our hope and change came today.

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#2 Aug 7, 2011
The poll can be quite tricky if you don't pay attention. The colors associated with the party are wrong. Once you vote- you cannot go back and change it. I don't trust this poll for accuracy. Thanks Topix. Very sneaky, indeed...
grouchoparx

Huntersville, NC

#3 Aug 7, 2011
Hey Chameleon, I didn't vote because blame can be given to both parties to some degree, but refusal to raise revenue by increasing the taxes on the very wealthy by the Tea Party Republicans to increase needed revenues remains a big stickler with me.

twenty sumthin. Your non vote for Obama is fine with me. But you need to give an alternative candidate to us and state specifically WHY this candidate would be better for America, and what policies they would enact would make it so. Otherwise, your statement above holds no real credibility and you are just making a broad empty statement.

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#4 Aug 7, 2011
Hi groucho- The extra taxing of the rich is not the answer IMO.

Here are some figures:

Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%).

The top 10% pay 64.89%(Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%).

The top 25% pay 82.9%(Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%).

The top 50% pay 96.03%(Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%).

The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%.

The top 1% earns 17.53 (2000: 20.81%) of all income.

The top 5% earns 31.99 (2000: 35.30%).

The top 10% earns 43.11%(2000: 46.01%)

the top 25% earns 65.23%(2000: 67.15%)

the top 50% earns 86.19%(2000: 87.01%) of all the income.

The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes, so you can't give them much of a tax cut by definition. Yet these are the people to whom the Democrats claim to want to give tax cuts. Remember this the next time you hear the "tax cuts for the rich" business. Understand that the so-called rich are about the only ones paying taxes anymore.

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#5 Aug 7, 2011
Did you know labor unions pay no taxes? They are erroneously considered “non profit,” and are therefore tax exempt. Labor Unions should have lost their “tax exempt non-profit” status long ago (if they should have had it to begin with).

It's time to end the free ride for this corrupt democrat/socialist/communist front that is nothing more than a laundering facility for leftist political funds and a force of political corruption.

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#6 Aug 7, 2011
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/20...

Privacy laws prevent release of individual tax delinquents' names. But we do know that as of the end of 2009, 41 people inside Obama's very own White House owe the government they're allegedly running a total of $831,055 in back taxes. That would cover a lot of special chocolate desserts in the White House Mess.

In the House of Representatives, 421 people owe a total $6,524,892. In the Senate, 217 owe $2,774,836. In the IRS' parent department, Treasury, 1,204 owe $7,670,814. At the Labor Department, where Secretary Hilda Solis' husband had some back-tax problems before her confirmation, 463 owe $7,481,463. Eighty-one workers for the Federal Reserve System's board of governors owe $1,076,733.

Over at the Justice Department, which is so busy enforcing other laws and suing Arizona, 1,971 employees still owe $14,350,152 in overdue taxes.

Within that department, there reside 4,856 people who owe the tax agency a whopping total of $37,012,174.
grouchoparx

Huntersville, NC

#7 Aug 7, 2011
Chameleon. What is the source of your statistics? I am having some doubts about those figures.I think a good compromise for our future is this; Democrats have to concede that entitlement programs have reached the max capacity and some realistically need to be downgraded or cut. Republicans need to concede that further revenue is needed for the fiscal stability of this nation and the only known source to provide this is through taxes. Therefore, cut some programs and raise the revenue. To me, this is the only logical course to take. The problem with this is that it seems that political expediency from both parties overrides the future sound financial stability of this nation. Unless there is a middle ground on which to work, failure almost seems inevitable. Both can concede some platform positions for the good of all. That is what I think they were elected to do; To serve the betterment of this nation instead of the betterment of their party. But then, maybe I'm just dreaming again.
jeff smith

Greenville, SC

#8 Aug 7, 2011
cutting taxes doesn't do squat if you are already out of work!

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#9 Aug 7, 2011
groucho- I have that saved in a file. Found it on the web somewhere. Will try to get you a linky.

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#10 Aug 7, 2011
http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/15/pf/taxes/who_...

groucho- This is not the link you requested, but is a shortened version. As you can see, the rich are definitely paying their part.

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#11 Aug 7, 2011
Main St media is too busy demonizing the TEA party to provide the real facts about taxes. It is always soak the rich. (When the rich are already paying more than everyone else) All anyone has to do is dig around with an open mind. You will find the facts like I did. The Dems and BHO are lying BIG TIME about who pay and who doesn't pay taxes. Scam of the century.

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#12 Aug 7, 2011
groucho- here you go, bro. It seems my saved file figures were from 2003. This link is better.

http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-tax...
grouchoparx

Charlotte, NC

#14 Aug 8, 2011
Madman...Allow me to piss in your direction for a moment. You offer no solutions. Why don't you tell us WHO would be the best replacement for Obama as President, and WHAT POLICIES that individual offers to improve this country. Now, be specific. Thanks

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#15 Aug 8, 2011
Madman- grouchoparx and I are respectful to each other even though we may not agree on everything. We can still be friends. So again: "Why don't you tell us WHO would be the best replacement for Obama as President, and WHAT POLICIES that individual offers to improve this country. Now, be specific. Thanks" :-)
twenty sumthin

Wilson, NC

#16 Aug 8, 2011
grouchoparx wrote:
Madman...Allow me to piss in your direction for a moment. You offer no solutions. Why don't you tell us WHO would be the best replacement for Obama as President, and WHAT POLICIES that individual offers to improve this country. Now, be specific. Thanks
So you think Obama is the best the democrats have to offer?His only plan is trickle up poverty.He offers no solutions to upgrade the lower and whats left of the middle class.He only offers the robin hood solution,take from the rich and give to the poor.And when thats gone(and it won/t take long)whats left for anyone.Our generation know you spineless baby boomers are at fault.We are ready to sit it out and when you hit bottom take care of ourselves.You baby boomers don't care about the future so we don't care about the now.Once you are out of the way we will succeed.
grouchoparx

Charlotte, NC

#17 Aug 8, 2011
twenty sumthin...I understand your frustration. That is a good sign in youth. It may actually motivate you to change your world from the many problems we have helped create for you. I want you to consider offering new ideas and plans of change, instead of just complaining about who to blame for the shape the world is in. To begin,please offer us a plan of change in regard to a qualified replacement for Obama. What policies and programs do you want to see enacted that would be better for your generation's future? I used to be in your shoes. Every generation will complain about the one prior to theirs. I did the same. From that came my motivation to teach. I am happy about the circumstances that brought me to this decision because I know that with this opportunity, I have made a differnce in some people's lives. I want you to do the same. Be strong in that which you believe, but also study the facts prior to making the statement. In the age of google and all the technical advances to come, that will not be difficult. Now, please anwser my questions about Obama's replacement and new policies to enact for the betterment of your future. I wish you the best. Thanks
grouchoparx

Huntersville, NC

#19 Aug 10, 2011
madman.No problem with a little venting. Sometimes it is very good for us.Yes..may be true about China. My nepthew travels to China a lot for business and tells me that they reserve the eye of the fish for the honored guest. I told him that if I go to China, I will try not to be as "honorable" as I usually am. Rice I can handle, fish eyes I am a little skeptical of. I have not had any takers on the Obama replacement question, and probably will not get any.

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#20 Aug 10, 2011
"I have not had any takers on the Obama replacement question, and probably will not get any."

groucho- I think the GOP is holding out on purpose. Any preferred GOP selection at this point will be tarred and feathered by the media. And we know who the media favors... I heard on the radio today that BHO is being "quietly" urged to do an LBJ. That would give Hillary a sure win in '12 and the Dems would be set for another 4 years. The S&P downgrade rating deal has damaged BHO badly. The unions are scared to death. If the GOP win the next election- the left will be humiliated and totally pissed. BTW- The GOP in WI survived the recall vote today. Dems needed 3 seats. They only got two... I'm getting bad vibes, man. Things are about to get ugly. The unions spent megabucks supporting the Dems. ACORN is being watched. Cheating may not work in '12.

Here's my take: It don't matter who the GOP supports. BHO will be forced out and Hillary will be the next president.

Peace :-)
grouchoparx

Huntersville, NC

#21 Aug 11, 2011
Polls show that people blame Congress for the impasse on the debt ceiling, as it has received the lowest rating of any recent time. The Tea Party is viewed primarily as being unwilling to bend on negotiations, and therefore a problem. Standard and Poors report reflect that the instability and deep polarization in Congress is a major reason for the credit downgrade. I know you disagree, but I don't see even one viable Republican candidate who will gain the trust of a majority of voters. Romney? The bogus campaign contribution scandal is going to be more exposed (by the liberal media, of course, because Fox News will sweep it under the rug like it did Rupert Murdoch), and Romney Care in Massachusetts as governor he can't deny and it will seriously hurt him in winning. Also, being a Mormon will effect his popularity, especially in the fundamentalist south. Bachmann? Too right wing and polarized. Palin? Too whiney and misinformed. A medid star. Perry? Too many skeletons. Who's left? Trump? Hated by many as arrogant rich boy. Narrow it down for me! Who? The Republicans have the worst field of candidates that I have seen in recent times, in fact a time when Obama is very vunerable to be defeated, but you have NO ONE. Even Fox News can't create one! Who is your pick of the current field? I see no legitimate challengers at this time.

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#22 Aug 11, 2011
Why is TEA party singled out? They are TINY compared to liberals. The left is using the blame game to single out a "villain." I fail to see why government HAS to raise taxes. Stop spending money out of control, IMO. The TEA party is just saying, "Taxed enough already. Balance your checkbook. Stop printing 'monopoly money.' Be responsible."... Why is this wrong? Someone please tell me. Why is this wrong? I beg you. Just think if we as citizens managed our affairs this way. We would be on the street begging- if not that, sued. What the heck is wrong with the "Left?" Is it no longer cool to be a responsible person?

Groucho I don't watch FoxNews. I don't even watch TV.. The Republicans will not tell you who their pick will be. Not yet. Know why? Obama and Co can't run on BHO's accomplishments. He inherited a 5.7% unemployment rate at the end of Bush's term. Look at it now... They can only base their 2012 campaign on smearing and mudslinging. That's all they have and they admitted it! They are salivating at the chance to destroy any Republican contender that shows up. They OWN the media- except FoxNews. So get FoxNews. Destroy them and send them packing. Right? Vilify them. They won't play ball, so rip their hearts out! I don't know where the FoxNews' "create a candidate" comes from. That's a first. Groucho you seem to be a decent and level headed dude. Why you support any party that has no talent at managing a country is mind-boggling to me. I just don't understand. I don't. It kinda makes me sad.

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