Abortion Debate - Utica, NY

Discuss the national Abortion Debate in Utica, NY.

When should abortion be legal?

Utica says always legal.
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Never
 
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Exceptions only...
 
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Gay Guy

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Jan 25, 2012
 
It is no one's right to decide what a person does or does not do with their own body. Up and until that fetus is birthed and able to live outside the womb, there is no "baby," just what is essentially a parasite feeding off it's host. Things happen, condoms break, jobs are lost, and relationships end. It isn't fair to the potential mother or the potential child to force them to live in such a situation.

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Jan 25, 2012
 
‎"You know me inside and out, you know every bone in my body; you know exactly how I was made, bit by bit, how I was sculpted from nothing into something. Like an open book, you watched me grow from conception to birth; all the stages of my life were spread out before you, the days of my life all prepared before I'd even lived one day!" Psalm 139:14-16

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Worcester, MA

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Jan 25, 2012
 
My personal and medical decisions are my own! As a woman and mother that decision would be difficult enough without people forcing their religious beliefs on me.
faith based guy

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Jan 25, 2012
 
Gay Guy wrote:
It is no one's right to decide what a person does or does not do with their own body. Up and until that fetus is birthed and able to live outside the womb, there is no "baby," just what is essentially a parasite feeding off it's host. Things happen, condoms break, jobs are lost, and relationships end. It isn't fair to the potential mother or the potential child to force them to live in such a situation.
In many faiths life begins at the moment of conception and has nothing to do with the viability of a fetus outside the womb. Please understand that abortion is seen as murder from that perspective. If a person of faith stands by without trying to save that life (a soul that was chosen by God to be) then they are guilty of sin. I hope that helps you to understand what the Right To Life folks are thinking when they protest against abortion. What you've written leads me to believe that you are not a person of faith and that is why I've responded. I hope that you will accept this in the spirit is intended. Have a great evening.
Citizen

Utica, NY

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Jan 25, 2012
 
I believe in maximum rights and freedom of choice and confidentiality. I believe in privacy in regards to matters as such and feel it pertains only to the individuals directly involved with the pregnancy.
teddy

Penn Yan, NY

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#6
Jan 26, 2012
 
It's murder and just another example of people not taking responsibility for their actions, if you do not want to get pregnant, there are plenty of ways to prevent it. What an immoral world we live in, God help us!
Crop Thinning

Cortland, NY

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#7
Jan 26, 2012
 
World overpopulation, in an ideal and perfect world... don't get pregnant in the first place if you don't want a child... common sense. Plenty of unwanted children in our own orphanages... Every "period" a woman has is in fact a "natural" abortion of a potential child... so let's not go crazy here with the rhetoric... Only women should have a "say" on this matter anyway and keep damn religion out of it.
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Jan 26, 2012
 
Gay Guy wrote:
It is no one's right to decide what a person does or does not do with their own body. Up and until that fetus is birthed and able to live outside the womb, there is no "baby," just what is essentially a parasite feeding off it's host. Things happen, condoms break, jobs are lost, and relationships end. It isn't fair to the potential mother or the potential child to force them to live in such a situation.
Ok, then why can't I shoot heroin?

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Jan 26, 2012
 
Gay Guy wrote:
It is no one's right to decide what a person does or does not do with their own body. Up and until that fetus is birthed and able to live outside the womb, there is no "baby," just what is essentially a parasite feeding off it's host. Things happen, condoms break, jobs are lost, and relationships end. It isn't fair to the potential mother or the potential child to force them to live in such a situation.
Then guess you are ok with people taking drugs or commiting suicide if they decide to. It is their body to do with what they please.

I have a question for everyone. Is it ok for a pregnant woman to do drugs, smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol during her pregnancy? Since it is her body and the fetus is not a person, does she have any responsibility to care for the fetus before it is born?
Gay Guy

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Jan 26, 2012
 
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Then guess you are ok with people taking drugs or commiting suicide if they decide to. It is their body to do with what they please.
I have a question for everyone. Is it ok for a pregnant woman to do drugs, smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol during her pregnancy? Since it is her body and the fetus is not a person, does she have any responsibility to care for the fetus before it is born?
I actually have no qualms about a person using drugs OR committing suicide, especially of the physician-assisted variety. That said, I have no sympathy for people who do choose to use drugs and then get arrested. The law is the law, and until it changes you have to be willing to face the repercussions if you take the risk. Personal responsibility.
The reason we try to dissuade pregnant women from drinking alcohol or using drugs is that if their pregnancy is successful, it could result in serious complications to the child post birth. It is not about any "feelings" the child may have (since they don't exist, yet), but rather about protecting the livelihood when the decision is made to complete a pregnancy.
Gay Guy

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Jan 26, 2012
 
faith based guy wrote:
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In many faiths life begins at the moment of conception and has nothing to do with the viability of a fetus outside the womb. Please understand that abortion is seen as murder from that perspective. If a person of faith stands by without trying to save that life (a soul that was chosen by God to be) then they are guilty of sin. I hope that helps you to understand what the Right To Life folks are thinking when they protest against abortion. What you've written leads me to believe that you are not a person of faith and that is why I've responded. I hope that you will accept this in the spirit is intended. Have a great evening.
Yes, many religions believe this, but we do not live under a theocracy. Religion is not law, and should have no say in the lives of those who choose not to follow it. Not every woman chooses to become pregnant, but every woman should have the right to choose whether or not to stay pregnant and complete the gestation period. Why are we faulting those who suffer from a broken condom, the minuscule percentage that the pill doesn't work for, or for being raped? These women were not trying to become pregnant, and often WERE taking the necessary precautions to prevent said pregnancies, as such, they should not be punished and unduly burdened.
You absolutely have the right to disagree with abortion, but shaming someone else for having or contemplating having one is discriminatory.... and persecution.
The Incredible Edible Egg

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Jan 26, 2012
 
Gay Guy wrote:
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Yes, many religions believe this, but we do not live under a theocracy. Religion is not law, and should have no say in the lives of those who choose not to follow it. Not every woman chooses to become pregnant, but every woman should have the right to choose whether or not to stay pregnant and complete the gestation period. Why are we faulting those who suffer from a broken condom, the minuscule percentage that the pill doesn't work for, or for being raped? These women were not trying to become pregnant, and often WERE taking the necessary precautions to prevent said pregnancies, as such, they should not be punished and unduly burdened.
You absolutely have the right to disagree with abortion, but shaming someone else for having or contemplating having one is discriminatory.... and persecution.
What about paternal rights? Isn't that discriminatory? That seems to be your favorite word, yet you don't even know the definition. I am beginning to think that "progressivism" is for the minds of the uneducated and weak willed.
anan-e-mous

Holland Patent, NY

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#13
Jan 26, 2012
 
Each persons situation is different, and until someone is actually in their shoes,you cannot understand. If someone is raped, or a victim of incest they should be allowed to make a decision that is best for them. What ever the circumstance, each case is different and individual.
Another point would be (I know this may sound terrible) mandatory sterilization. There are some people that just keep popping out kids,that really shouldn't because they can't take care of the ones they have. Some people have more just to get more checks. I know that sounds terrible but unfortunate it's true.There intentions behind it might not be" I wanna get knocked up to have more money" but they don't take the necessary precautions to prevent it, and don;t really care if they do.
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Jan 26, 2012
 
because its murder plain and simple
anan-e-mous

Holland Patent, NY

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#15
Jan 26, 2012
 
abortion being murder is your belief, does not make it everybody's belief.Nor does it make right or wrong.

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Jan 26, 2012
 
Abortion should be legal
Yeaa

Utica, NY

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#17
Jan 26, 2012
 
Your mother should have aborted you and there would be one less idiot to feed.
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#18
Jan 26, 2012
 
No matter how you want to change the wording abortion is murder. No ifs, no buts, abortion is murder. There is no such thing as womens right to choose in the constitution.
CharlieG

Utica, NY

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#19
Jan 26, 2012
 
This has to be the most ignorant post I have ever read!!! Killing is murder, there is no debate. You cannot redefine the taking of a life, it is murder.
anan-e-mous wrote:
abortion being murder is your belief, does not make it everybody's belief.Nor does it make right or wrong.
anan-e-mous

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Jan 26, 2012
 
"There is no such thing as womens right to choose in the constitution."
It also doesn't say in the constitution you should not eat dog crap, Doesn't mean you should or make it true just because it is not written out someplace.It also doesn't say in the constitution that men should not beat women, again just because it does not say it, does not make it right

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