Abortion Debate - Oak Ridge, TN

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When should abortion be legal?

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Since: Apr 07

Knoxville, TN

#230 Apr 11, 2012
HolieKat wrote:
I really don't need a biology lesson. I never said they are going to grow into a human I'm simply saying that these things are also alive. Your cluster of cells may become a human given time, but it's just not quite there yet. None of this changes the fact that you still have no choice in the matter of abortion. You are a man and therefore deserve no choice anyway. Until you have to face an unwanted pregnancy and you can actually feel the hurt and confusion you should keep your mouth shut. Don't condemn something you don't understand...
At the very moment of conception we are all complete human beings as we all are given 23 chromosomes from each of our parents. 46 chromosomes makes up a single human being. Only when the sperm and the egg combine does this happen.

Now until you are able to prove otherwise scientifically they your argument is in fact mute and immaterial to the issue at hand.

In other words unless you are able to produce any scientific proof to the contrary your personal opinions DO NOT and CANNOT stand under such scientific evidence as I have presented.

Jim Hayden for President in 2012
http://www.jimhayden2012.org
Stay out of my business

Glen Allen, VA

#231 Apr 12, 2012
Ha. Good luck with that, President Hayden.
Jim Hayden wrote:
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Once again I hate to be the one to tell you this but 23% of women support abortions that means that 77% of American women DO NOT support abortions.
Not only that but once I take office I will push for a law to be passed that says ALL human life begins at the moment of conception and that human life is fully protected by both the 5th and the 14th Amendments. That way if you or anybody else wishes to challenge this new law they will have to prove scientifically that all human life DOES NOT begin at the moment of conception.
So far not a single person has been able to prove scientifically that all human life does not begin at the moment of conception. Until you are able to prove that all abortion are morally murder and soon to be legally considered murder. Nowhere and at no time does a woman have the right to KILL her children. Born or unborn make no difference. Murder is still MURDER.
Jim Hayden for President in 2012
http://www.jimhayden2012.org
lol

Rockwood, TN

#233 May 6, 2012
Stay out of my business wrote:
Ha. Good luck with that, President Hayden.<quoted text>
I would vote for him :)
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Rockwood, TN

#234 May 6, 2012
HolieKat wrote:
I just want to know why you or anyone for that matter feel as though you have a say in what someone else chooses to do with their life and body? Who do you think you are to make a decision for someone else when the situation has zero to do with you?
Wow, this logic indicates we should not put killers to death or stop people from spreading std's.
lol

Rockwood, TN

#235 May 6, 2012
HolieKat wrote:
This is the point you seem to be missing. We are talking about human beings. Living human beings human beings who if given the chance will grow up to be productive members of our society. most will make great loving daughters or sons while other will grow up to be doctors or lawyers. Heck many will grow up to be firemen or plumbers or even police officers. As well as line workers and garbage collectors. All they need is the opportunity to LIVE
Or they grow into drug addicts, pedophiles, murders, rapists, and any number of unpleasant things. This is not an argument against abortion. And yes IF GIVEN THE CHANCE they will grow into human beings. Women who don't want children shouldn't be forced to give up the pleasures of sex because they don't want to be baby making machines. Not everyone wants children that is just a fact of life. I have a friend who is horrible to her son. She cusses him, hurts him, and is a drug addict. This child would have been better off aborted then living in the hell he faces everyday.
Who are you to say that child is better off aborted. Maybe that child will be a great father someday and and strive to be the parent his mother was not. No one needs to be making babies just to throw them away like trash. If you're going to perform a process to create a life, you know the consequences of performing such an action. If you build it, build upon it and let it grow forth. Don't kill the baby! There are plenty of places you can take your baby if you don't want the responsibility. They are now talking about putting your baby to sleep after its born which is really retarded. What are babies now, dogs?
GOP Socialist

Fort Campbell, TN

#236 May 7, 2012
But of course Jim you continue to say the exact same thing. Anyone has the right to say what they do with their bodies and funny enough your party typically thinks big government should stay out of citizens personal lives but expect them to be enforced when it suits your ideology. Pathetic really! Get with it man, just because you believe America is a Christian country doesn't it make it so, you need to learn to respect others instead of condemning them
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Rockwood, TN

#237 May 7, 2012
I really hate that other argument as well, that they could grow into many unpleasant things such as rapists, murderers and drug addicts. That possibility could happen from a group of 13 year olds, but that does not mean we commit mass genocide against them out of fear of what they could be! A child abuse victim may grow up and decide to copy their father or mother, but that does not mean we should kill them off to prevent it!
Lifes a Beach

Lewistown, PA

#239 May 9, 2012
lol wrote:
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Who are you to say that child is better off aborted. Maybe that child will be a great father someday and and strive to be the parent his mother was not. No one needs to be making babies just to throw them away like trash. If you're going to perform a process to create a life, you know the consequences of performing such an action. If you build it, build upon it and let it grow forth. Don't kill the baby! There are plenty of places you can take your baby if you don't want the responsibility. They are now talking about putting your baby to sleep after its born which is really retarded. What are babies now, dogs?
Most people don't intentionally become pregnant just to obtain an abortion. An early term fetus is not a baby. Not even close.
Lifes a Beach

Lewistown, PA

#240 May 9, 2012
Jim Hayden wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again I hate to be the one to tell you this but 23% of women support abortions that means that 77% of American women DO NOT support abortions.
Not only that but once I take office I will push for a law to be passed that says ALL human life begins at the moment of conception and that human life is fully protected by both the 5th and the 14th Amendments. That way if you or anybody else wishes to challenge this new law they will have to prove scientifically that all human life DOES NOT begin at the moment of conception.
So far not a single person has been able to prove scientifically that all human life does not begin at the moment of conception. Until you are able to prove that all abortion are morally murder and soon to be legally considered murder. Nowhere and at no time does a woman have the right to KILL her children. Born or unborn make no difference. Murder is still MURDER.
Jim Hayden for President in 2012
http://www.jimhayden2012.org
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147734/americans-s...

It's pretty evenly split. I would like to see where you pulled the numbers for just women, besides out of your arse.
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Rockwood, TN

#241 May 9, 2012
Lifes a Beach wrote:
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Most people don't intentionally become pregnant just to obtain an abortion. An early term fetus is not a baby. Not even close.
I never said that most people did! My response was to someone else so read their statement before trying to correct me please. I would like to appreciate it as something more than just a bloody fetus so that shouldn't affect you in any form. Thank you very much!
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Rockwood, TN

#242 May 9, 2012
What I meant was, in response to the other poster, is that you don't just get an abortion out of fear of what your child may become. In that logic, we must abort all babies in fear of what they could become and discontinue the human race!
Marc

Atlanta, GA

#243 May 21, 2012
The mother should make the choice, especially in a sexual crime situation
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Rockwood, TN

#244 May 21, 2012
I agree in a sex crime or if mommy is in danger, but as a means for birth control is just stupid!
lifes a beach

Lewistown, PA

#245 Jun 5, 2012
lol wrote:
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Who are you to say that child is better off aborted. Maybe that child will be a great father someday and and strive to be the parent his mother was not. No one needs to be making babies just to throw them away like trash. If you're going to perform a process to create a life, you know the consequences of performing such an action. If you build it, build upon it and let it grow forth. Don't kill the baby! There are plenty of places you can take your baby if you don't want the responsibility. They are now talking about putting your baby to sleep after its born which is really retarded. What are babies now, dogs?
Consent to sex is NOT automatic consent to pregnancy. If it were, everytime one had sex they would become pregnant or impregnate someone. That child might grow up to be the next sociopath, porn star killer or bath salt face eater as well...stupid hypo.
lifes a beach

Lewistown, PA

#246 Jun 5, 2012
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said that most people did! My response was to someone else so read their statement before trying to correct me please. I would like to appreciate it as something more than just a bloody fetus so that shouldn't affect you in any form. Thank you very much!
You can view the sky as green and the grass as yellow for I care as well, but that won't change the facts themselves.
Ashley

Houston, TX

#247 Jun 20, 2012
Heres my theory....

If your 15, 16 and you think its cool to have sex with your boyfriend or heck with whoever. You should know that it verrrry possible to get pregnant! If you didnt know that then you should not have sex. Even if you use birth control, condoms. Whatever, there still a chance. Now, if you arent ready to have a baby at that age. DONT HAVE SEX! If you get pregnant, I am 100% against abortion. If you do adult things, then be an adult and raise your baby If you can, put it up for adoption. Let someone whos actually an adult raise your baby, since they cant do it themselves. There are millions of people out there that aren't able to have babies, or the ladies out there that cant find the right person to spend the rest of your life with, and want to adopt a baby.

On the other hand, if someone is raped I believe that its up to that person to terminate the pregnancy. Not that its the babies fault, because its not at all. But horrible things could come out of having and keeping that baby. For one, its the blood of your rapist. Who know if that person has mental issues or has medical issues. Its possible to be passed to the offspring. Also, think of how much emotions could come over you as a mother. Knowing that your carring the child of a monster. And then watching that child grow up, having the face of a monster. Seeing the face of there person who sexually molested you at whatever age. Its a very tramatic expirence. Worst case senerio, what if the mother is so distraught over her attacker, and attains mental issues of her own, has the baby, and blames it on the baby. The child will grow up in a home that is unstable and unheathly lifestyle and could grow up to be a bully, a woman beater, a drugie, a rapest.

As I said before, I am against abortion 100% if you have control over your and your partners actions. I will not support abortion if you can willingly have sex with someone when your not ready for a baby. Because we all know theres a high % chance you can get pregnant. And you should have to face your mistakesand learn from them. Not kill your child and keep doing living they way you are.
wimcab

Nashville, TN

#248 Jun 22, 2012
abortion is murder, period...my thoughts are: MANDATORY SURGICAL STERILIZATION for the "women" (i use that term loosely, pun intended) upon return to an abortion clinic requesting a consecutive abortion...this solves the problem with unwanted and often abused and/or neglected children, and would also help with the problem of welfare/government aid abuse. i will reiterate what has been mentioned before in this thread...IF YOU ARE ENGAGING IN SEXUAL ACTIVITY, YOU MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE CHOOSING TO ABORT A CHILD IF YOUR METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL FAILS...IT MEANS BEING A RESPONSIBLE PERSON AND REALIZING THAT YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS.
lifes a beach

Lewistown, PA

#249 Jun 27, 2012
wimcab wrote:
abortion is murder, period...my thoughts are: MANDATORY SURGICAL STERILIZATION for the "women" (i use that term loosely, pun intended) upon return to an abortion clinic requesting a consecutive abortion...this solves the problem with unwanted and often abused and/or neglected children, and would also help with the problem of welfare/government aid abuse. i will reiterate what has been mentioned before in this thread...IF YOU ARE ENGAGING IN SEXUAL ACTIVITY, YOU MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE CHOOSING TO ABORT A CHILD IF YOUR METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL FAILS...IT MEANS BEING A RESPONSIBLE PERSON AND REALIZING THAT YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS.
Actually it is a form of taking responsibility, just because you don't like it, doesn't change that fact. Consent to sex is NOT consent to pregnancy, period. And to the above poster- Many 20 and 30 something year old women do not want children, that doesn't mean that they should not have sex with whomever (legally consenting adult) they choose. Absolutely ridiculous.

Since: Feb 12

Mcminnville, TN

#250 Jul 8, 2012
A person should have a right to choose what they do with their own life and their own body, that being said, if someone chooses to do something such as murder someone then yes the will have to face the consequences for their illegal act. However, sex isn't an illegal act nor is abortion therefore any woman who wants one should have that right. Abortion does NOT equal abortion no matter how badly pro life advocates would like it to. Women are not baby machines and pregnancy should never be used as a punishment.

Since: Feb 12

Mcminnville, TN

#251 Jul 8, 2012
oops sorry... abortion does NOT equal Murder. LMAO I get excited on this topic!

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