Abortion Debate - Bonne Terre, MO

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Not Nazi German

Park Hills, MO

#1 Mar 1, 2012
It is human life. It's not tissue or a mass. We are not Nazi German. We don't choose life based on what is convenient and what is not. If you are here to debate the issue consider this. You are alive. You now have a choice. Children outside of family issues are happy regaurdless of physical limitations. There are plenty of people who would love to adopt. It's
hard pressed to come up with a situation that adoption is not about selfish desires and convenience. Rape? Let's penalize the child for the sin of the agressor. Women who have been raped now can add the guilt of the abortion to the shame of the rape.
local

Chicago, IL

#2 Mar 1, 2012
Not Nazi German wrote:
It is human life. It's not tissue or a mass. We are not Nazi German. We don't choose life based on what is convenient and what is not. If you are here to debate the issue consider this. You are alive. You now have a choice. Children outside of family issues are happy regaurdless of physical limitations. There are plenty of people who would love to adopt. It's
hard pressed to come up with a situation that adoption is not about selfish desires and convenience. Rape? Let's penalize the child for the sin of the agressor. Women who have been raped now can add the guilt of the abortion to the shame of the rape.
I think it's the woman's choice as of what she wishes to do. It's her body. Even if you outlawed abortion women would just find other harmful and deadly ways to carry out the procedure themselves (such as drugs). This could end up killing the woman and the baby. Or if the baby did survive, it would have all kinds of physical or mental problems. As for rape, you really want the woman to have a painful reminder for 9 months of this traumatic event?? And then have the child which will be a reminder of getting raped for the rest of her life?? The stress alone from the woman during pregnancy would hurt the baby and cause complications. Being severely mentally handicapped is no way to live.
Not Nazi Germany

Park Hills, MO

#3 Mar 2, 2012
local wrote:
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I think it's the woman's choice as of what she wishes to do. It's her body. Even if you outlawed abortion women would just find other harmful and deadly ways to carry out the procedure themselves (such as drugs). This could end up killing the woman and the baby. Or if the baby did survive, it would have all kinds of physical or mental problems. As for rape, you really want the woman to have a painful reminder for 9 months of this traumatic event?? And then have the child which will be a reminder of getting raped for the rest of her life?? The stress alone from the woman during pregnancy would hurt the baby and cause complications. Being severely mentally handicapped is no way to live.
A woman's choice is a weak argument. Women dont have a choice by law when it comes to drug abuse, but isn't it her body? She can't choose to prostitute herself by law, but isn't it her body? Another thing to consider is that baby most of you who support "mother choice" murder contains 23 chromosomes. Half of those chromosomes belongs to the father. Now by law a father cannot choose to end the life of his half of the chromosomes. The only real choice a woman has is to open her legs for sex or not too. Pregnancy is the natural result of sex. So a woman can choose her contraception but abortion is not a contraception, it's murder. Proof: if a person kills a baby in the womans womb against the mothers wishes they have committed murder, by law. You cannot have it both ways. If abortion was illegal and a woman wants to choose a back alley abortion that would be her choice. We hated Hitler because he decided Jews, gays, and anyone not Germans were weak and a drain on Germany. He operated within the law of German killing millions. He was still wrong even if he believed in all his heart he was wrong.
local

Chicago, IL

#4 Mar 2, 2012
Not Nazi Germany wrote:
<quoted text>A woman's choice is a weak argument. Women dont have a choice by law when it comes to drug abuse, but isn't it her body? She can't choose to prostitute herself by law, but isn't it her body? Another thing to consider is that baby most of you who support "mother choice" murder contains 23 chromosomes. Half of those chromosomes belongs to the father. Now by law a father cannot choose to end the life of his half of the chromosomes. The only real choice a woman has is to open her legs for sex or not too. Pregnancy is the natural result of sex. So a woman can choose her contraception but abortion is not a contraception, it's murder. Proof: if a person kills a baby in the womans womb against the mothers wishes they have committed murder, by law. You cannot have it both ways. If abortion was illegal and a woman wants to choose a back alley abortion that would be her choice. We hated Hitler because he decided Jews, gays, and anyone not Germans were weak and a drain on Germany. He operated within the law of German killing millions. He was still wrong even if he believed in all his heart he was wrong.
The ability of a woman to have control of her body is critical to civil rights. Take away her reproductive choice and you step onto a slippery slope. If the government can force a woman to continue a pregnancy, what about forcing a woman to use contraception or undergo sterilization? And nearly all abortions take place in the first trimester, when a fetus cannot exist independent of the mother. As it is attached by the placenta and umbilical cord, its health is dependent on her health, and cannot be regarded as a separate person as it cannot exist outside her womb. So not murder.
Not Nazi Germany

Park Hills, MO

#5 Mar 2, 2012
local wrote:
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The ability of a woman to have control of her body is critical to civil rights. Take away her reproductive choice and you step onto a slippery slope. If the government can force a woman to continue a pregnancy, what about forcing a woman to use contraception or undergo sterilization? And nearly all abortions take place in the first trimester, when a fetus cannot exist independent of the mother. As it is attached by the placenta and umbilical cord, its health is dependent on her health, and cannot be regarded as a separate person as it cannot exist outside her womb. So not murder.
Civil Rights? Slippery slope? That is the biggest cop out I have ever heard. A woman can choose which birth control she wants to use. Thats a civil right. The heart is attached to the body and cannot operate on its own eiter, so we should be able to remove it. Wait A person who thinks that abortion is not murder doesnt have a heart anyway. But back to it not being murder, again i point out that a person can be charged for committing murder if a fetus is killed. Again you cannot have it both ways. Again your arguement is the same as Hitler had. Killing Jews was legal. Killing Jews was justifiable for the benefit of the greater good. Most of German felt that killing jews was ok. How is that for a slippery slope. Here is another slippery slope and the hill is coming. two austrian ethicist says that a woman should be able to kill a new born because it really hasnt become a person. It cannot survive on its own. Its dependent for its nurishent and care. How about your grandparents or parents. what happens when they cannot care for themselves, they need to be dressed, they need to be fed, and they are a major incovenience to you. You going to justify killing them too? Be honest they are not really people.
local

United States

#6 Mar 2, 2012
Not Nazi Germany wrote:
<quoted text>Civil Rights? Slippery slope? That is the biggest cop out I have ever heard. A woman can choose which birth control she wants to use. Thats a civil right. The heart is attached to the body and cannot operate on its own eiter, so we should be able to remove it. Wait A person who thinks that abortion is not murder doesnt have a heart anyway. But back to it not being murder, again i point out that a person can be charged for committing murder if a fetus is killed. Again you cannot have it both ways. Again your arguement is the same as Hitler had. Killing Jews was legal. Killing Jews was justifiable for the benefit of the greater good. Most of German felt that killing jews was ok. How is that for a slippery slope. Here is another slippery slope and the hill is coming. two austrian ethicist says that a woman should be able to kill a new born because it really hasnt become a person. It cannot survive on its own. Its dependent for its nurishent and care. How about your grandparents or parents. what happens when they cannot care for themselves, they need to be dressed, they need to be fed, and they are a major incovenience to you. You going to justify killing them too? Be honest they are not really people.
So government gets to control a woman's body? By making abortion illegal, you're introducing a slippery slope that gives government control over a woman's body. You're taking away a personal freedom. Who knows what other controls the government may legislate in the future. Will it have the power to force sterilization? Will it have the power to make motherhood mandatory? Will it next take away the right to use other birth control methods such as The Pill?Abortion is not murder because it is performed before a fetus has developed into a human person. A fetus doesn't become a real human being until it is physically delivered from a mother's womb. If you define a fetus as a human, are you going to go back and say a sperm or egg is a human? Should we ban birth control altogether then since we'd be killing a "human"?
Not Nazi Germany

Park Hills, MO

#7 Mar 3, 2012
local wrote:
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So government gets to control a woman's body? By making abortion illegal, you're introducing a slippery slope that gives government control over a woman's body. You're taking away a personal freedom. Who knows what other controls the government may legislate in the future. Will it have the power to force sterilization? Will it have the power to make motherhood mandatory? Will it next take away the right to use other birth control methods such as The Pill?Abortion is not murder because it is performed before a fetus has developed into a human person. A fetus doesn't become a real human being until it is physically delivered from a mother's womb. If you define a fetus as a human, are you going to go back and say a sperm or egg is a human? Should we ban birth control altogether then since we'd be killing a "human"?
Stop your crying about Government control of a woman's body. Boo hoo. We live in a world of government control. You cannot smoke pot. Government control. I have to drive the speed limit, government control. Wearing of seatbelts and helmets are goverent control. Thousands of people are out of work because you cannot threaten a spotted owl. Government control. By making abortion illegal AGAIN, as it has only been legal about 50 years, does not take away a woman's choice about motherhood. Birth control or contraception has been legal around for 100's o years. And no the is not human life until the sperm fertilizes the egg (biology 101). Women should try exercising their right of birth control as a fundamental right not MURDER of an unborn baby. Again by law if a person kills a fetus (baby) against a woman's wishes they are guilty of MURDER. A woman cannot have it both ways, it's either alive or it's not right? Since you repeated yourself I am going to also. Abortion is pure selfishness and an act of convenience, SELFISHNESS and CONVENIENCE are not a fundamental right of a human being. Last checked a fetus is a human being (it is not a dog or donkey). Human beings have fundamental rights, including the right to life. Here is a tissue for your tears.
local

United States

#8 Mar 3, 2012
Not Nazi Germany wrote:
<quoted text>Stop your crying about Government control of a woman's body. Boo hoo. We live in a world of government control. You cannot smoke pot. Government control. I have to drive the speed limit, government control. Wearing of seatbelts and helmets are goverent control. Thousands of people are out of work because you cannot threaten a spotted owl. Government control. By making abortion illegal AGAIN, as it has only been legal about 50 years, does not take away a woman's choice about motherhood. Birth control or contraception has been legal around for 100's o years. And no the is not human life until the sperm fertilizes the egg (biology 101). Women should try exercising their right of birth control as a fundamental right not MURDER of an unborn baby. Again by law if a person kills a fetus (baby) against a woman's wishes they are guilty of MURDER. A woman cannot have it both ways, it's either alive or it's not right? Since you repeated yourself I am going to also. Abortion is pure selfishness and an act of convenience, SELFISHNESS and CONVENIENCE are not a fundamental right of a human being. Last checked a fetus is a human being (it is not a dog or donkey). Human beings have fundamental rights, including the right to life. Here is a tissue for your tears.
If someone is going to have a claim to a right to life, shouldn’t we first require that they have an interest in living and continuing to live? An ant has no conception of self and no interest in living, so has no right to life, but an adult human does. Where on this continuum does a fetus fall? Not until the necessary brain connections and activity exist, and that’s not until several months into a pregnancy. If there is no brain activity there isn't really life.
If someone has a claim to a right to live, shouldn’t they have some sort of independent life of their own? A fetus is only able to live because it is attached to the womb of the mother; therefore, any claim to a “right” to live must necessarily be at the expense of the woman. The same isn’t true of anyone else, at most a person’s claim might entail support and help from the community at large. It would not, however, entail being hooked up to the circulatory system of another human.
Not Nazi Germany

Park Hills, MO

#9 Mar 3, 2012
local wrote:
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If someone is going to have a claim to a right to life, shouldn’t we first require that they have an interest in living and continuing to live? An ant has no conception of self and no interest in living, so has no right to life, but an adult human does. Where on this continuum does a fetus fall? Not until the necessary brain connections and activity exist, and that’s not until several months into a pregnancy. If there is no brain activity there isn't really life.
If someone has a claim to a right to live, shouldn’t they have some sort of independent life of their own? A fetus is only able to live because it is attached to the womb of the mother; therefore, any claim to a “right” to live must necessarily be at the expense of the woman. The same isn’t true of anyone else, at most a person’s claim might entail support and help from the community at large. It would not, however, entail being hooked up to the circulatory system of another human.
If the woman does not want to be the life support of the baby the woman should be responsible enough to use birth control. Should we review the biology lesson most of us had in 5th grade? When a man sleeps with a woman and his semen fertilizes her egg, she becomes pregnant. Pregnancy is something that should be expected when a woman chooses to have sex. Every woman and man should be prepared to have a child when they engage in the act of sex. The problem is you want abortion to be freely offered so sex can be freely had by all without consequences. BTW you do not have an answer or shared it if you do about the double standard about the law of life. According to law it is a Capital Felony to kill a fetus in the mother womb against the mothers wishes. How can there be life and not be life at the same time? You cannot answer that question. You better be grateful that your mother chose to have you. Ronald Regan one said,Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.
Now your claim to the person being able to declare right to life just shot a hole in all your liberals friends save the whales, polar bears, and spotted owls of the world. They cannot declare the right to live so I have free reign to kill any and all of them. Now I want to address your blatant plagiarism. I know you didnt write the article that you stole the argument from as it appears in:
http://atheism.about.com/od/abortioncontracep... .

If you have an argument please share it but if you are going to cut and paste someone elses flawed thoughts then have a good day somewhere else.
Not Nazi Germany

Park Hills, MO

#10 Mar 3, 2012
If anyone reading this considers themselve open minded, I challenge you to give up 30 minutes of your time and watch this video.

http://youtu.be/7y2KsU_dhwI
local

United States

#11 Mar 4, 2012
Not Nazi Germany wrote:
<quoted text>If the woman does not want to be the life support of the baby the woman should be responsible enough to use birth control. Should we review the biology lesson most of us had in 5th grade? When a man sleeps with a woman and his semen fertilizes her egg, she becomes pregnant. Pregnancy is something that should be expected when a woman chooses to have sex. Every woman and man should be prepared to have a child when they engage in the act of sex. The problem is you want abortion to be freely offered so sex can be freely had by all without consequences. BTW you do not have an answer or shared it if you do about the double standard about the law of life. According to law it is a Capital Felony to kill a fetus in the mother womb against the mother’s wishes. How can there be life and not be life at the same time? You cannot answer that question. You better be grateful that your mother chose to have you. Ronald Regan one said,“Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.”
Now your claim to the person being able to declare right to life just shot a hole in all your liberal’s friends “save the whales, polar bears, and spotted owls of the world.” They cannot declare the right to live so I have free reign to kill any and all of them. Now I want to address your blatant plagiarism. I know you didn’t write the article that you stole the argument from as it appears in:
http://atheism.about.com/od/abortioncontracep... .

If you have an argument please share it but if you are going to cut and paste someone else’s flawed thoughts then have a good day somewhere else.
Come on, even you should know that even with the best birth control out there, there is alway a chance that the woman can get pregnant. It happens. Also women do not always CHOOSE to have sex. Many women have an abortion because they had the unpleasant experience of getting raped. They have every right to choose an abortion if birth control fails or they are raped. They did not choose to have a baby in either of these situations, and it is much safer to have an abortion than to have an unplanned/unwanted baby. If abortion was really murder then why is it legal? If abortion is murder then why aren't the doctors treated as murderers and serve prison time? Look up Roe v Wade and tell me what the outcome of that was and why. Fact is, its legal and should be. Read some of the stories on why some women get an abortion.
Not Nazi Germany

Park Hills, MO

#12 Mar 4, 2012
local wrote:
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Come on, even you should know that even with the best birth control out there, there is alway a chance that the woman can get pregnant. It happens. Also women do not always CHOOSE to have sex. Many women have an abortion because they had the unpleasant experience of getting raped. They have every right to choose an abortion if birth control fails or they are raped. They did not choose to have a baby in either of these situations, and it is much safer to have an abortion than to have an unplanned/unwanted baby. If abortion was really murder then why is it legal? If abortion is murder then why aren't the doctors treated as murderers and serve prison time? Look up Roe v Wade and tell me what the outcome of that was and why. Fact is, its legal and should be. Read some of the stories on why some women get an abortion.
You have a circular argument going on here, abortion must be ok because it's legal. It's legal because abortion must be ok. Genocide was also legal in Germany. So genocide must be ok because it's legal. Slavery was legal too so why did America decide that it wasn't ok to force people to be slaves? Just because something is legal does it meet moral and ethical obligations. Something becomes legal because society gets enough twisted people to vote on favor of it or in the case of Roe vs Wade, 7 judges decide to judicate law. This was nearly overturned in the 90's by a 5-4 vote of the supreme court. In fact what keeps the decision alive is the abortion supporterw (national surveys have showed a minority) have have thrown millions of dollars lobbying and creating enough fear that most politicians will not touch the issue being afraid to not be elected. So the case is the people with the loudest voice and the most money albeit the minority in this case. Even topix shows that pro-life has the majority. Now statistically pregnancy due to cases of rape is very rare. I have actually heard the testimony of a man that was the product of rape. He is a great asset to this community. His birth mother was glad she decided not to abort him. Also statistically abortion is not safer that child birth. Again do I need to remind you that pregnancy is a natural outcome of sex. Abortion in the most part is not a part of natural process. In most cases the body will natural abort the pregnancy if the baby is unviable. My own family experienced this. Now most women get abortion because they became pregnant and didn't want to be. Straight and simple. If they are unable or unwilling to support the child there are plenty of people who would love to adopt. So re-outlaw abortion as it has been except for the last 50 years. Teach women to take responciblity for birth control of they want control of their own reproduction system. Stop using abortion as birth control. Finally abortion is unhealthy for the woman. Cancer is 4 times more prevalent in abortion. Sterilization is more prevalent after abortion. Emotional scaring from abortion is tremendous. Family are divided because if abortion. I believe that abortionist want it so badly to justify their own prior actions. Their murder must be ok because other people are willing to do it. Ok one more fact; most abortions occurred because the woman is pushed into the idea, either by their parents, boyfriend, or planned parenthood counselers.
local

United States

#13 Mar 4, 2012
You have a circular argument going on here, abortion must be ok because it's legal. It's legal because abortion must be ok. Genocide was also legal in Germany. So genocide must be ok because it's legal. Slavery was legal too so why did America decide that it wasn't ok to force people to be slaves? Just because something is legal does it meet moral and ethical obligations. Something becomes legal because society gets enough twisted people to vote on favor of it or in the case of Roe vs Wade, 7 judges decide to judicate law. This was nearly overturned in the 90's by a 5-4 vote of the supreme court. In fact what keeps the decision alive is the abortion supporterw (national surveys have showed a minority) have have thrown millions of dollars lobbying and creating enough fear that most politicians will not touch the issue being afraid to not be elected. So the case is the people with the loudest voice and the most money albeit the minority in this case. Even topix shows that pro-life has the majority. Now statistically pregnancy due to cases of rape is very rare. I have actually heard the testimony of a man that was the product of rape. He is a great asset to this community. His birth mother was glad she decided not to abort him. Also statistically abortion is not safer that child birth. Again do I need to remind

First off you need to take another look at your "statistics", abortion is definitely safer than going through with a pregnancy. Politicians can't be scared of touching this subject because sooner or later it will be brought up, and they must be prepared to defend themselves. If they choose pro choice it definitely does not mean they are out of the race. For example our current president is pro choice, and he stands behind his decision completely. The pro life argument has been looked at in court more than once, and looked at by some of the most brilliant/educated minds in this country. Yet every time it gets shot down. The MAJORITY lies with pro choice, if it didn't abortion wouldn't be legal. Science and technology has came a long ways since Roe v Wade and has allowed us to look at this debate much more carefully and thoughroly . And still yet the outcome is the same, pro life comes up short. You can't compare this subject to genocide. Genocide is murder of human lives, abortion is not murder. Almost all abortions are done in the first trimester, and at this time there isn't any brain activity. When there is no brain activity there is no life. For instance, say you have a friend that gets in a horrible car accident and is taken to the hospital. They are put on life support but have no brain activity. So what happens next? They pull the plug because they are not alive, but brain dead. Is this murder?? The answer is no, otherwise there would be tons of doctors serving prison time. The "fact" that women use abortion as a birth control is a myth, otherwise there would be a ton more abortions than there are now. Most women use some sort of birth control but they cannot be guaranteed to prevent a pregnancy. The "fact" that women are pushed into the idea that they should have an abortion is also another myth. There are some women that say people close to them encouraged abortion, but it's very rare that that is the main reason for having it.
local

United States

#14 Mar 4, 2012
Oh and I almost forgot, the "fact" that abortion increases or is linked to breast cancer is also a myth. There are many myths about abortion to gain pro life supporters.
Not Nazi Germany

Park Hills, MO

#15 Mar 4, 2012
local wrote:
Oh and I almost forgot, the "fact" that abortion increases or is linked to breast cancer is also a myth. There are many myths about abortion to gain pro life supporters.
Didn't say breast cancer. It does increase the chances for cirvical cancer.
Not Nazi Germany

Park Hills, MO

#16 Mar 4, 2012
local wrote:
First off you need to take another look at your "statistics", abortion is definitely safer than going through with a pregnancy. Politicians can't be scared of touching this subject because sooner or later it will be brought up, and they must be prepared to defend themselves. If they choose pro choice it definitely does not mean they are out of the race. For example our current president is pro choice, and he stands behind his decision completely. The pro life argument has been looked at in court more than once, and looked at by some of the most brilliant/educated minds in this country. Yet every time it gets shot down. The MAJORITY lies with pro choice, if it didn't abortion wouldn't be legal. Science and technology has came a long ways since Roe v Wade and has allowed us to look at this debate much more carefully and thoughroly . And still yet the outcome is the same, pro life comes up short. You can't compare this subject to genocide. Genocide is murder of human lives, abortion is not murder. Almost all abortions are done in the first trimester, and at this time there isn't any brain activity. When there is no brain activity there is no life. For instance, say you have a friend that gets in a horrible car accident and is taken to the hospital. They are put on life support but have no brain activity. So what happens next? They pull the plug because they are not alive, but brain dead. Is this murder?? The answer is no, otherwise there would be tons of doctors serving prison time. The "fact" that women use abortion as a birth control is a myth, otherwise there would be a ton more abortions than there are now. Most women use some sort of birth control but they cannot be guaranteed to prevent a pregnancy. The "fact" that women are pushed into the idea that they should have an abortion is also another myth. There are some women that say people close to them encouraged abortion, but it's very rare that that is the main reason for having it.
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/26/study-clai... fact check in abortion being safer. I can skew your "data" easily statistically more non-pregnant women die than women die while giving child birth. So disprove that mr or mrs Strawman.
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2012/aborti...
Now take in mind that these studies only focus on deaths of women who have abortions vs women who give birth. These studies do not focus on deaths 3 or more months after abortion. Nor do they take in account suicides or other health related issues such as sterilization or future miscarriages that are common among women who have abortions. Continue....
Not Nazi Germany

Park Hills, MO

#17 Mar 4, 2012
....continued. You say abortion as birth control is a myth? That's a joke. Abortions of pregnancys due to rape is rare. Abortions to legitimately save the life of the woman is also rare. That leaves abortion as birth control as the main reason. You cannot make an argument that abortion is needed because of lack or failure of contraception and then say that abortion as contraception is rare. That's called hedging or flip flopping. It's an attempt of arguing without and argument. Also I read 30 testimonies today from women who got abortions, all 30 stated they were pushed into it by the father, parents, or counselor. Just because you say it's a myth doesn't make it so. I went to college I know how to research unlike you. All you can do is plegarize a bad argument.
About the numbers of supporters. Take a look at the national survey that topics is doing. Those who are completely against is in the majority. Add in those who thinks it should be reserved for those rare events and it's a 2-1 support for not having abortion as legal. You mention R vs w again. That was decided by 7 judges not the majority of America. You must be that dense to thing that R vs W means that the majority of America is for it and that means its ok. Agains I will repeat myself. In the 250 years of the existence of America abortion was illegal for 200 of those years. I guess that it being legal for the last 50 years magically means it is ok. I don't think so.
BTW you still have not answered my question of the double standard of life. Why is it murder if a man kills a fetus and it's not murder if it's abortion? You ask why are DR's not charged with murder practicing abortion? It's because the law says its not illegal. Just like Nazi Germany. Again just because it's legal does it make it right.
local

United States

#18 Mar 4, 2012
Not Nazi Germany wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/26/study-clai... fact check in abortion being safer. I can skew your "data" easily statistically more non-pregnant women die than women die while giving child birth. So disprove that mr or mrs Strawman.
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2012/aborti...
Now take in mind that these studies only focus on deaths of women who have abortions vs women who give birth. These studies do not focus on deaths 3 or more months after abortion. Nor do they take in account suicides or other health related issues such as sterilization or future miscarriages that are common among women who have abortions. Continue....
Pro lifers can try to make so much information misleading and sound incorrect just because they don't agree with the facts. There have been many studies since Roe V Wade (besides the one you have the link to) and they all have one thing in common, they prove that abortion is safer than childbirth. Since the Roe V Wade trial, there have been numerous advances in the medical field only making abortion even safer. Making abortion illegal does not stop women from seeking it, but make the death toll rise even higher from unsafe or at home abortions. Abortions do not increase the likelihood of miscarriages unless there have been multiple abortions, at least two.

Take a look..

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_misc.ht...

http://miscarriage.about.com/od/riskfactors/f...

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts...

http://www.care2.com/causes/abortion-is-14-ti...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion
Not Nazi Germany

Park Hills, MO

#19 Mar 4, 2012
local wrote:
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Pro lifers can try to make so much information misleading and sound incorrect just because they don't agree with the facts. There have been many studies since Roe V Wade (besides the one you have the link to) and they all have one thing in common, they prove that abortion is safer than childbirth. Since the Roe V Wade trial, there have been numerous advances in the medical field only making abortion even safer. Making abortion illegal does not stop women from seeking it, but make the death toll rise even higher from unsafe or at home abortions. Abortions do not increase the likelihood of miscarriages unless there have been multiple abortions, at least two.
Take a look..
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_misc.ht...
http://miscarriage.about.com/od/riskfactors/f...
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts...
http://www.care2.com/causes/abortion-is-14-ti...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion
A quote from your first link: It would seem that having a surgical abortion could scar a small section of the wall of the uterus and thus increase the chance of a subsequent miscarriage.
A quote from your second link:Some evidence suggests that elective abortion could mean oncreased risk of miscarriage in a future pregnancy
Your third Link,Over the last five years, six women in North America have died as a result of toxic shock secondary to a rare bacterial infection of the uterus following medical abortion with mifepristone and misoprostol. This type of fatal infection has also been observed to occur following miscarriage, childbirth and surgical abortion, as well as other contexts unrelated to pregnancy.Complication rates are somewhat higher for surgical abortions provided between 13 and 24 weeks than for the first-trimester procedures. General anesthesia, which is sometimes used in surgical abortion procedures of any gestation, carries its own risks.
Your fourth link indicates that the research comes from the study of Dr Raymond and Dr Grimes. This is the same study that Roe Vs Wade used. It is also the same study that my link refuted because it just compares the death rate following the first trimester. It isnt a new study but the one that Pro-abortionist wave as their banner safe study.
Even your Wikipedia articles refers to the Raymond and Grimes study as their only source of information about the safety of abortion. Sure women do not die but again thanks for your research that shows that abortion is known to cause reproductive issues in the future. I also am saying this with firsthand knowledge. I have witnessed 7 miscarriages over a 7 year period due to an Abortion so you cannot say that I dont know.
You accuse anti-abortionist of change and manipulating facts. Abortionist does the exact same thing
Now I really dont care about abortion being safe because that is not the point. Does making heroin purer and safer make it right to use it?
You have yet to answer my question about It being legal to abort a baby because its not murder yet a man can be found guilty of murder for killing a baby in the mothers womb. How can it not be murder in one instance and be murder in another? You have not answered that question because you cannot answer it.
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....continued. You say abortion as birth control is a myth? That's a joke. Abortions of pregnancys due to rape is rare. Abortions to legitimately save the life of the woman is also rare. That leaves abortion as birth control as the main reason. You cannot make an argument that abortion is needed because of lack or failure of contraception and then say that abortion as contraception is rare. That's called hedging or flip flopping. It's an attempt of arguing without and argument. Also I read 30 testimonies today from women who got abortions, all 30 stated they were pushed into it by the father, parents, or counselor. Just because you say it's a myth doesn't make it so. I went to college I know how to research unlike you. All you can do is plegarize a bad argument.
About the numbers of supporters. Take a look at the national survey that topics is doing. Those who are completely against is in the majority. Add in those who thinks it should be reserved for those rare events and it's a 2-1 support for not having abortion as legal. You mention R vs w again. That was decided by 7 judges not the majority of America. You must be that dense to thing that R vs W means that the majority of America is for it and that means its ok. Agains I will repeat myself. In the 250 years of the existence of America abortion was illegal for 200 of those years. I guess that it being legal for the last 50 years magically means it is ok. I don't think so.
BTW you still have not answered my question of the double standard of life. Why is it murder if a man kills a fetus and it's not murder if it's abortion? You ask why are DR's not charged with murder practicing abortion? It's because the law says its not illegal. Just like Nazi Germany. Again just because it's legal does it make it right.
Yes it is a myth "Most women who have abortions have had no previous abortions, and 26 percent have had only one previous abortion. Considering that most women are fertile for more than 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high". And yes abortion was illegal for many years but the death toll was sky high for women trying to do it themselves. Making abortion legal SAVES more lives. There were also 9 justices, if you would research properly you would have read that 2 more joined. Oh and how do people get their political positions? Oh that's right they are voted in by the MAJORITY of America. Everyone knew that Obama was pro choice yet the majority of America voted for him. If a man murders a pregnant woman it obviously was not her choice. The way I see it, the law charges the murderer for 2 counts just to keep the piece of crap killer in prison for a longer period of time. I would bend the law too to keep murderers off the streets. When a woman makes a decision for an abortion, it is for the best interest for either her or the fetus. It is her choice not anyone elses. Oh and I wouldn't really brag about going to a community college it's more like an extension of high school. They'll let anyone in.

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