Gov. Perdue announces launch of SmokeFree.NC.gov

This sorry excuse for a governer has no right or authority to make private businesses non-smoking! This is not Facist Germany or the Soviet Union. This is America where we have rights and freedoms!

This is a health issue, not a rights issue. There is no right to spew toxic tars & poisons in air others have to breath. The rights and freedoms of non-smokers take precedence over selfish smokers whos' smoke intrudes into other peoples air space. Thank You for your understanding.

Eddie wrote:

This sorry excuse for a governer has no right or authority to make private businesses non-smoking! This is not Facist Germany or the Soviet Union. This is America where we have rights and freedoms!

When is he up for re-election? Old anti smoking NJ gov Corzine and the anti smoking Va gov candidate got kicked to the gutter yesterday where they belong. Organize you smoking voter block.

Its time to kick special interest big pharma who funds smoking bans and profits from their own nicotine beyond the gutter to the sewer

Covert smoking ban promoter RWJF president, Risa Lavizzo-Mourey, is on list of visitors to Obama White House

The White House on Friday released a small list of visitors to the White House since President Barack Obama took office in January, including lobbyists, business executives, activists and celebrities.

Only about 110 names —and 481 visits —out of the hundreds of thousands who have visited the Obama White House were made public.

Advocates and nonprofit leaders include National Organization for Women President Kim Gandy, and Risa Lavizzo-Mourey, president of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, which is interested in health policy......
The irony of course is, or should be, that RWJF policies (funding smoking ban efforts) have eliminated hundreds of thousands of jobs.....something the White House claims they are trying to reverse. Now with J & J pharmaceutical and medical device maker's partner RWJF pushing government healthcare reform, job losses in the health insurance and private healthcare industry should also be anticipated.

Checking the White House visitor list you'll see that RWJF President Risa Lavizzo-Mourey has presented her special interest agenda to the White House 7 times thus far.
http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2009/10/c...

just candid wrote:

This is a health issue, not a rights issue. There is no right to spew toxic tars & poisons in air others have to breath. The rights and freedoms of non-smokers take precedence over selfish smokers whos' smoke intrudes into other peoples air space. Thank You for your understanding.

Sure there is you non smokers drive them every day.

Researchers have also found a link between lung cancer and certain air pollutants that are caused by the burning of fossil fuels. This relationship has not been clearly defined, and more research is being done.
http://understandingrisk.cancer.gov/a_Lung/01...

PreachingtheGospel wrote:

<quoted text>Sure there is you non smokers drive them every day.
Researchers have also found a link between lung cancer and certain air pollutants that are caused by the burning of fossil fuels. This relationship has not been clearly defined, and more research is being done.
http://understandingrisk.cancer.gov/a_Lung/01...

Many other problems exist. We have new laws going on the books about the type fuel, type engine Ect. that we'll be using in the future. This forum is however, about smoking, not other sorces of toxic air. On future postings you make, Thanks in advance for sticking to the subject.

just candid wrote:

<quoted text> Many other problems exist. We have new laws going on the books about the type fuel, type engine Ect. that we'll be using in the future. This forum is however, about smoking, not other sorces of toxic air. On future postings you make, Thanks in advance for sticking to the subject.

Typical non smoking response. Now wouldnt you not agree its also about toxic substance that hurt your lungs like tobacco smoke ? Hence I feel its my moral duty to draw your attention to other toxic substances that are hurting your lungs. It would be only fitting to point out said substances since you are so concerned about your health, or are you ? Since I know most of your are not open minded enough to grab the concept of the fact that its not just one product killing you.
No big issues on pushing to eliminate fossil fuels as a source for energy in the near future.
Thank you for not paying attention to other health hazzards thats killing you.

Ok let me correct myself.
Isnt the smoking forums about non smokers blaming smokers for them getting lung cancer.
My post were to inform the uninformed about other hazzards which causes lung cancer. Therefor I believe it does belong in the smoking forums. But it you prefer to be closed minded about other toxins causing you to develope lung cancer. Im ok with it.!

just candid wrote:

<quoted text> Many other problems exist. We have new laws going on the books about the type fuel, type engine Ect. that we'll be using in the future. This forum is however, about smoking, not other sorces of toxic air. On future postings you make, Thanks in advance for sticking to the subject.

The only real problems to you're health are the problems you have with you're parents. Seek counciling to help you get over them.

just candid wrote:

<quoted text> Many other problems exist. We have new laws going on the books about the type fuel, type engine Ect. that we'll be using in the future. This forum is however, about smoking, not other sorces of toxic air. On future postings you make, Thanks in advance for sticking to the subject.

Tell us Candid...your kind claims there is "no safe level" of tobacco smoke.

Perhaps in all of your self righteousness...you could find the time to tell us all about the other forms of smoke that have "no safe level"?

How about a list of the top 10?

Would you be willing to apply your sides ridiculous standard of "no safe level" to all forms of smoke that contain known carcinogens...or only to those you hate?

There is nothing more annoying than a self righteous moral busybody with HUGE double standards.

just candid wrote:

This is a health issue, not a rights issue. There is no right to spew toxic tars & poisons in air others have to breath. The rights and freedoms of non-smokers take precedence over selfish smokers whos' smoke intrudes into other peoples air space. Thank You for your understanding.

NOONES rights and freedoms should take precedence over anothers. If a business owner decides to make their establishment smoke-free then that is their right. However, it is your right to not eat at a place that offers a smoking section. There has never been an unbiased study to accually link second hand smoke to lung cancer or other major health issues. So, I hope business owners fight this B-S law and I hope that we can run BEv's sorry butt out of office next election!

Most degenerates are cigarette smokers, are you one?

Bev P is a traitor to the state of NC. She has no respect for freedom, and needs to accept responsibility for the damage she has done to this great country.

Hey, just candid, since you post the same comments in every forum that I have seen tonight, I guess I'll do the same (only I have evidence to back my points up).

Oh... just candid
I'm new to these forums, and I can already tell that you are a real peach.

This IS about rights/personal choices, and you'll be singing a different song when rights that you take for granted start getting trampled on.

No one is forcing a non-smoker to enter a smoking establishment, and smokers are not asking to smoke in a non-smoking establishment. Why do you insist on pushing your values on us (by us, I mean everyone)? We don't need saving. We just need you to keep your nose out of our business.

Calling the help of all NC residence that are concerned with saving our rights (this isn't about smokers vs. non-smokers. It's about Americans vs. excessive government control): We need your help!

This crap continues to hurt businesses, livelihoods, and restrict rights of freedom one state at a time; slowly working it's way around the country. How far does this have to go before we decide to stand up? It started one state at a time. Let's stop it the same way!

Taken from Section 1 of the 14th Amendment:“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States”

The smoking bans are trampling on the property rights of the owner’s of private enterprises, built on private property. In addition, they insult our intelligence as individuals, by eliminating our freedom of choice.

Smoking citizens continue to be taxed more, and represented less. Hmmm…sounds kind of like what started the American Revolution doesn’t it?

You can read more of my thoughts on my blog at: http://fight4freedom-choice.blogspot.com/

If you are in agreement, please don’t forget to sign our petition, and help pass the link around (must be of legal voting age and have a valid email address).

Thanks for your support,
Fight4Freedom

just candid wrote:

<quoted text> Many other problems exist. We have new laws going on the books about the type fuel, type engine Ect. that we'll be using in the future. This forum is however, about smoking, not other sorces of toxic air. On future postings you make, Thanks in advance for sticking to the subject.

This forum is about smoke in bars and restaurants from any source.

Eddie wrote:

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NOONES rights and freedoms should take precedence over anothers. If a business owner decides to make their establishment smoke-free then that is their right. However, it is your right to not eat at a place that offers a smoking section. There has never been an unbiased study to accually link second hand smoke to lung cancer or other major health issues. So, I hope business owners fight this B-S law and I hope that we can run BEv's sorry butt out of office next election!

I have got news for you. When a business opens its door to the public they can not do as they want. They have to abide by laws and regulations laid down by the government on public health and safety. Second as for an unbiased study what do you consider an unbiased? There are plenty of studies on second hand smoke and there effects by different groups. Third the trade group representing the state's 16,000 restaurant were neutral on the issue when the law was being debated. Fourth I do agree that Bev needs to be kicked out.

Fight4Freedom wrote:

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Oh... just candid
I'm new to these forums, and I can already tell that you are a real peach.<*********>

Fight4Freedom

Thanks!!! I've been called a lot of things, but you are the first that I know of who called me a Peach. Again Thanks, & God Bless. >:~)

just candid wrote:

<quoted text> Thanks!!! I've been called a lot of things, but you are the first that I know of who called me a Peach. Again Thanks, & God Bless. >:~)

He just didn't want to be rude and call you an uppity _____(fill in the blank[usually starts with B and ends with H])!!!

Steve,

I've already commented on you incorrect statements in a few other posts, but just in case you missed them there...

Cigarettes are NOT an illegal commodity. Not allowing an establishment to cater to clientele that uses a legal commodity is absolutely unjust.

The anti-smokers have no justification for saying: I want to go to XYZ Bar & Grill, but they smoke there… Let’s get the government to kick out their smoking customers so that we can go without having to put up with the smoke. Find a non-smoking establishment that fits your needs, or open one up to cater to the anti-smoking clientele. Whatever happened to free enterprise?

Just because an establishment chooses to allow the public to enter their property, does not make it free public domain. It is private property and it is a privilege for the "public" to use these places of business. These businesses are only open to the public during certain hours. Most also reserve the rights to remove and/or refuse service to public visitors that disrupt their business operations.

These facilities/owners pay taxes, and are not funded by the government. The sole responsibility of keeping the business afloat is in the hands of the owner and their clientele. Once the government starts paying the bills, they will have some right to tell them how to run their businesses.

Please try to open your mind and see both sides of this situation. We are on a very slippery and dangerous slope.

Readers,
If you agree with this post and would like to help save our freedom of choice, please visit http://fight4freedom-choice.blogspot.com/ and sign our petition.

Thank you,
Fight4Freedom

You watch people, next smoking outdoors will be outlawed. It's ironic some of the same people that want to outlaw tobacco want to legalize marijuana. Bet they don't mind breathing in that smoke! I don't smoke, but I support your right to smoke as long as you use courtesy with it.

Governor Perdue is a Communist.

Kristan wrote:

You watch people, next smoking outdoors will be outlawed. It's ironic some of the same people that want to outlaw tobacco want to legalize marijuana. Bet they don't mind breathing in that smoke! I don't smoke, but I support your right to smoke as long as you use courtesy with it.

Kristan,
Thank you for your post. You bring up some good points. Appreciate you sharing them with us!