10 reasons we need a national handgun ban

ZigmunnDroid wrote:

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Well, I disagree.
Common sense tells us that people with personal problem cause far less problems than people trying to make money on the Black Market.
Drug abuse is a personal problem.
How in the hell is locking someone up with a personal problem supposed to help???
We have lots of laws that address misbehavior family problems and nto paying your bills, whether you are on drugs or not.
We have a huge violence problem in this country because of a product that costs pennies to make and sells for millions.
The only law that people HAVE to follow is the law of supply and demand.
Decriminalize drugs and overnight half of the violence in this country would disappear.
If you are worried about ALL the drug addicts running around, we already have an abundance of laws that address public misbehavior.
My question to you,
name one time in the past 40 years that someone committed an act of violence to get enough money to go buy booze.
Just one.
I can match a 1000 instances of violence for every one of yours, of people committing violence to get money for illegal drugs.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/GOVPUBS/p...

" * For at least the last several decades, alcohol drinking--by the perpetrator of a crime, the victim, or both--has immediately preceded at least half of all violent events, including murders, in the samples studied by researchers.
* Chronic drinkers are more likely than other people to have histories of violent behavior.
* Criminals who use illegal drugs1 commit robberies and assaults more frequently than do nonuser criminals, and they commit them especially frequently during periods of heavy drug use.
* In a study of New York City murders in 1988, researchers classified more than half the homicides (53 percent) as drug-related: 39 percent in the course of drug distribution, 8 percent through pharmacological effects on the offender, 2 percent while the offender was obtaining money to buy drugs, and 4 percent through more than one of these links.2

Data from the National Institute of Justice Drug Use Forecasting (DUF) program, which tests for drug use among booked arrestees in 24 sites nationwide, showed the following patterns in 1989:

* Most males and females who were interviewed after arrest for a violent crime reported drinking alcohol within 72 hours before the crime for which they were arrested.
* About 60 percent of arrestees booked for violent crimes were confirmed by laboratory test to have used at least one illegal drug3 in the hours before arrest."

We are just a country with "personal problems". LOL!!

Snap out of it!

I don't condone criminal behavior. Next.

ZigmunnDroid wrote:

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You don't need to support it. Neither do I.
I am just smart enough to get out of the way of smarter minds who know that the war on drugs has only caused thousands of deaths and billions of dollars wasted.

And I understand that the war on drugs was a smoke screen.

If our politicians had any real concern about drugs, that border would be tight as a drum.

ZigmunnDroid wrote:

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Boerders. HAH!
England is an Island. Since they banned guns, they now have twice as many illegal guns and a huge drug problem (but not as bad as here).
And it is an ISLAND.
Borders indeed!
What part of supply and demand do you misunderstand.
Hell, when they banned cigarettes in the jail I worked at, the consumption went down a little, and the price went up to 200 a carton wholesale, and 10 dollars a cig retail.
You could buy pot in that jail cheaper.
Yeah. Lets police the borders.

What does that say about our society?? Pathetic!

ZigmunnDroid wrote:

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A person from a smarter generation would know that the police make a lot of money over "projected tax revenue" and confiscations that the police get when they make big drug busts.
MILLIONS of dollars.
And they get to have neat guns and bust down doors of people they claim are drug dealing.
Remember the 92 year old grandmother killed by a drug unit in Atlanta a couple of years ago. Those scum bags are doing time now.
Thousands of lives lost, billions of dollars wasted, and the Gov is still losing the drug war.
And that is YOUR tax money being wasted.

Don't blame all LE for what one guy did.

"The war against drugs harms more than it protects."

Tory II wrote:

"The war against drugs harms more than it protects."

That's because there is no war on drugs. There are a few token busts, so it looks like there is some effort.

Don't blame the employees...blame the leadership.

Caffeinated wrote:

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My favorite comment, is that you somehow think that if drugs are legalized, that people will keep their jobs and be more productive. Think about it....people driving while high, working in factories...getting their hands cut off, teachers stoned...teaching our kids, doctors operating...
Good God! Think about it.

Just like all of the drunks who show up for work and kill themselves and others, right?

FUD. Your assessment is hysterical fear of change. Plain and simple.

true

sometimes i do

i wonder too

Caffeinated wrote:

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http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/GOVPUBS/p...
" * For at least the last several decades, alcohol drinking--by the perpetrator of a crime, the victim, or both--has immediately preceded at least half of all violent events, including murders, in the samples studied by researchers.
* Chronic drinkers are more likely than other people to have histories of violent behavior.
* Criminals who use illegal drugs1 commit robberies and assaults more frequently than do nonuser criminals, and they commit them especially frequently during periods of heavy drug use.
* In a study of New York City murders in 1988, researchers classified more than half the homicides (53 percent) as drug-related: 39 percent in the course of drug distribution, 8 percent through pharmacological effects on the offender, 2 percent while the offender was obtaining money to buy drugs, and 4 percent through more than one of these links.2
Data from the National Institute of Justice Drug Use Forecasting (DUF) program, which tests for drug use among booked arrestees in 24 sites nationwide, showed the following patterns in 1989:
* Most males and females who were interviewed after arrest for a violent crime reported drinking alcohol within 72 hours before the crime for which they were arrested.
* About 60 percent of arrestees booked for violent crimes were confirmed by laboratory test to have used at least one illegal drug3 in the hours before arrest."
We are just a country with "personal problems". LOL!!
Snap out of it!
I don't condone criminal behavior. Next.

Wow. You just made my point for me. Mostly.

The drug violence happens because people are fighting over turf, or they are breaking the law to get money for black market prices.

Again, tell me of one occurrence where someone commits violence to get money to buy some wine.

Just one.

As for drinking and violence, we already have laws that punish violence whether you are drunk or high or not.

The drug is not the problem. The misbehavior is.

By making the drug illegal, you only create a violent market where none previously existed.

You are trying to fix the wrong problem.

It is the laws you like that are the cause of the violence.

Snap out of it indeed. What part of the LAW of supply and demand do you misunderstand.

It is your tax money being wasted on a failed "war against drugs". Where is your outrage.

I guess it is wrapped up in your sanctimonious power trip.

I could give a rat's butt if some idiot wants to snort his brains out. Just don't use my tax money to lock him up until he actually hurts someone else.

Caffeinated wrote:

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I disagree. We would see an increase in violence. These people will not give up their income, they will just find another way to get it. And their favorite technique is intimidation.
I think the druggies are so enthusiastic about getting their fix, that they can't see common sense.
My favorite comment, is that you somehow think that if drugs are legalized, that people will keep their jobs and be more productive. Think about it....people driving while high, working in factories...getting their hands cut off, teachers stoned...teaching our kids, doctors operating...
Good God! Think about it.

Umm. We have lots of laws and work policies that address misbehavior whether you are blasted or not. And especially if you are blasted.

Maybe in your world the people freely drive and work under the influence, but not in my world.

If drug use was legalized, do you think that magically dui's and workplace drug screens will disappear.

Not in my universe.

And if some fool wants to get off work from Micky Dees and pick up some Toot Sweet and a couple of cold ones, go home and "like" his job, what is the skin off your teeth.

As for keeping there jobs, that is their problem. If you put them in jail, that is my problem. And my tax money being wasted.

Caffeinated wrote:

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That's because there is no war on drugs. There are a few token busts, so it looks like there is some effort.
Don't blame the employees...blame the leadership.

Employees??

Would that be the thugs that bust down innocent peoples doors and kill them.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10374909/detail.htm...
This is the attempted cover up.

Here they got caught

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx...

Nice war on drugs you have there.

I dare say these thugs with badges commit these crimes far more often than drunks commit violence to get money to buy wine.

Your tax money at work.

Caffeinated wrote:

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Don't blame all LE for what one guy did.

# guys, and that happens all the time. I figure about 85 to 90% of all cops are legit. It is the others that give them a bad name.

See also L.E.A.P. for info from the guys on the front lines of this failed war.

I could give a flip whether you get a ban passed into law or not. I'm keeping my handguns. Do you have the balls to come & attempt to disarm me & 100 million other gun owners. I think not.

Wolverine wrote:

I could give a flip whether you get a ban passed into law or not. I'm keeping my handguns. Do you have the balls to come & attempt to disarm me & 100 million other gun owners. I think not.

Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords and IEDs?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.

11. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you NOT understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns have only two enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

Veteran and Oathkeeper. Current LE, they won't get mine and if this govt. make gun ownership illegal then they become a criminal government which many have sworn to protect against.

Wolverine wrote:

I could give a flip whether you get a ban passed into law or not. I'm keeping my handguns. Do you have the balls to come & attempt to disarm me & 100 million other gun owners. I think not.

Here Here!! Also Sgt Bluto I enjoyed your list!!!

Caffeinated wrote:

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Don't blame all LE for what one guy did.

Hey cafe boy, did the leap website destroy your erroneous notions??

Here it is in case you ran away.

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Nothing like hearing it from the horses mouth.

Perhaps you will quit listening to the horses ass.