Freedom For Vietnam!

UncleTom wrote:

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The least that can be said about your bad deeds is that you and your Phiengung friend have been supporting devious behaviors, promote hatred and division among Viets in this forum. Go back to read your old posts and you will see more evil things than listed here.
Click on the characters to learn their personality. You will find yours matches that of Lucy Van Pelt as bossy, crabby, selfish and devious. Be brave to know yourself.
http://www.snoopy.com/comics/peanuts/meet_the...
http://www.snoopy.com/

Well, I accept all of your very "strange" opinion about me.
But let me tell you this. I have experienced and lived within one of the best system of democracy that works. And I try to lay out my arguments with many friends in this forum as IF we can have a democratic system in Vietnam instead of a "crabby" regime such as the one the VCP installed agaist our people's will.
If for that reason, you see me causing hatred and division within our people, I would disagree.

Btw, I never think myself as such important or much of influence.

I am just a "pho thuong dan" trying to promote learning and understanding about Freedom and Democracy with my hope that Vietnam will soon become a free and democratic country.

FIRREA wrote:

Hey, the guy from Long Beach, California, are you talking about brainwashing?
Well at less Linus has a CHOICE to forget what Lucy said. The system allows Linus to make a CHOICE.
Do you think the people of Vietnam have a choice?
The world knows communism and assHo's thought are garbages, but those VC still pushing them into the brains of our young people.
A few of my cousin's courses in Art School:
Vietnam's Laws
Ho Chi Minh's thoughts
Economic and Political of Marx & Lenin
Thoughts of Marx & Lenin
History of Vietnam Communist Party
Road map of the VCP
These are in a college of ART school. High school and middle school are even worst. If these are not for brainwashing, I don't know what is.

What a waste of time and school facilities in pushing retarded ideas! LOL

I only have to laugh at such silliness. I wish airhead Ryan Boston can comment on such stupidity. The outside world has already render its verdict about Ho, Marx, Lenin and the rest of the comedians. How useful are these archaic ideas in a supposedly free market economy and globalization?

Do you think Vietnam's youths will be prepared to compete with South Korean, Taiwanese, or Japanese youngsters in the race for global capitalism? LOL

Please change the VCP's name to the Retarded Party of Vietnam! LOL

How cruel child abuse is!!!! Hey allen, please comment on this silly curriculum from Vietnam Ministry of Education?

FIRREA wrote:

Hey, the guy from Long Beach, California, are you talking about brainwashing?
Well at less Linus has a CHOICE to forget what Lucy said. The system allows Linus to make a CHOICE.
Do you think the people of Vietnam have a choice?
The world knows communism and assHo's thought are garbages, but those VC still pushing them into the brains of our young people.
A few of my cousin's courses in Art School:
Vietnam's Laws
Ho Chi Minh's thoughts
Economic and Political of Marx & Lenin
Thoughts of Marx & Lenin
History of Vietnam Communist Party
Road map of the VCP
These are in a college of ART school. High school and middle school are even worst. If these are not for brainwashing, I don't know what is.

Here is another nation with NO CHOICE for the common people:
2 Chinese protesters ordered to year in labor camp -
Two elderly Chinese women who applied during the Olympic Games to protest the loss of their homes have been ordered to spend a year in a labor camp, a relative said Wednesday, as more foreign activists were detained.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080820/ap_on_re_...

In communist China, speaking your mind is a ticket to prison. So the only choice is to play along with the robbing and stealing of the CCP. In Vietnam, we have the VCP.

LKI wrote:

You're wrong about my character, Uncle Tom.
I told you i know a bit at the beginning, to be modest...
However, i like to steer toward other subjects sometimes.
I like to speak my own mind like some others in here. Haven't you seen these puppies? They're aggressive but they're the best friends you ever had. I like to be around those type of people. Said crazy stuffs & forget after 5 mins, not like yrs like other people.
You, Uncle Tom, is a clinger type. Has tremendous amount of tolerance, you like to cling on others & others also like to cling on you, sometimes you kind of driving them nut though.
Neu tui lo loi dung cham ai, xin rong long bo qua cho.

Mr modest,

Your observation is correct about people. Unfortunately, our people have not just said but done crazy stuff and forgotten after 5 minutes. The result is generations of miseries and then they complain.

It's easy for you to look at the world with a gentle view when you have a comfortable life. It may be quite different for most 85+ millions Vietnamese who are still have to work hard to rebuild their country and their future. Most of people who talk big are not likely one of the.

You don't have to apologize for your mental state. There is a Vietnamese saying "no com rung mo" which is a normal behavior, sir.

Sincerely.

Years ago who protested in China >> jail or murder
Now they let you fill out the form for LEGAL protest, you fill it out >> still being jailed/murder
In commie hell lands damn if you do, damn if you don't...hahaha
But retarded VC dogs still think commies are the best if they live in Free World...hahaha What a bunch of hypocrites

FIRREA wrote:

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Here is another nation with NO CHOICE for the common people:
2 Chinese protesters ordered to year in labor camp -
Two elderly Chinese women who applied during the Olympic Games to protest the loss of their homes have been ordered to spend a year in a labor camp, a relative said Wednesday, as more foreign activists were detained.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080820/ap_on_re_...
In communist China, speaking your mind is a ticket to prison. So the only choice is to play along with the robbing and stealing of the CCP. In Vietnam, we have the VCP.

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

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Well, I accept all of your very "strange" opinion about me.

Good for you!

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

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But let me tell you this. I have experienced and lived within one of the best system of democracy that works. And I try to lay out my arguments with many friends in this forum as IF we can have a democratic system in Vietnam instead of a "crabby" regime such as the one the VCP installed agaist our people's will.

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Someone else, not you, had to work hard to build and maintain what you are enjoying. Additionally, something that works here may not necessarily work there until people "there" are ready for it. Besides, you don't represent the people "there".

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

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If for that reason, you see me causing hatred and division within our people, I would disagree.
Btw, I never think myself as such important or much of influence.

Many people in this forum see that you are a bad influence.

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

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I am just a "pho thuong dan" trying to promote learning and understanding about Freedom and Democracy with my hope that Vietnam will soon become a free and democratic country.

You are not helping people here to understand about Freedom and Democracy because of two obvuos reasons: 1) you don't understand what Freedom and Democracy are about, yourself; and, 2) it's only an excuse for you to criticize the government in Vietnam and spread hatred against it.

Another bad thing is that you condone people here to talk down on your country and your people while worshiping your blanca master.

dumaHCM wrote:

Years ago who protested in China >> jail or murder
Now they let you fill out the form for LEGAL protest, you fill it out >> still being jailed/murder
In commie hell lands damn if you do, damn if you don't...hahaha
But retarded VC dogs still think commies are the best if they live in Free World...hahaha What a bunch of hypocrites
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You just reminding me of one thing. Filling out a form for "legal" protest is actually a way for the CCP or VCP to track the oppositions of the party. As you can read, there is NO "legal" protest as "some 77 applications were lodged to hold protests, NONE went ahead" or NONE aloud to protest.

Uncle Tom wrote:

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Mr modest,
Your observation is correct about people. Unfortunately, our people have not just said but done crazy stuff and forgotten after 5 minutes. The result is generations of miseries and then they complain.
It's easy for you to look at the world with a gentle view when you have a comfortable life. It may be quite different for most 85+ millions Vietnamese who are still have to work hard to rebuild their country and their future. Most of people who talk big are not likely one of the.
You don't have to apologize for your mental state. There is a Vietnamese saying "no com rung mo" which is a normal behavior, sir.
Sincerely.

If there is any misunderstanding then that goes both ways.

Uncle Tom wrote:

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Good for you!
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Someone else, not you, had to work hard to build and maintain what you are enjoying. Additionally, something that works here may not necessarily work there until people "there" are ready for it. Besides, you don't represent the people "there".
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Many people in this forum see that you are a bad influence.
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You are not helping people here to understand about Freedom and Democracy because of two obvuos reasons: 1) you don't understand what Freedom and Democracy are about, yourself; and, 2) it's only an excuse for you to criticize the government in Vietnam and spread hatred against it.
Another bad thing is that you condone people here to talk down on your country and your people while worshiping your blanca master.

Again, this is your very strange way of "thinking". It very much resembles a robot type of thinking. Pardon me for that thought.

Let assume I don’t understand what “freedom and democracy” all about.
Why don’t you tell me what you understand about these two words?
I talk a lot about what I understand, but never said I know it all. This is what I said - I come here to LEARN.

I am about not to say anything if you can WRITE in your OWN words that explain to me what you understand about freedom and democracy.

Otherwise I will ignore you as a pre-programmed robot trying to stop me to spread out my hope for a free and democratic Vietnam.

Btw, your government of Vietnam is comprised of a bunch of very bad and too dumb VCs who keep claiming the leadership of people in Vietnam.
This is very straight forward from my mind and yes, everybody in this forum know me by what I said about the Vietnam government.

Again, the guy from Long Beach, California, DEMOCRACY works anywhere and ready for any group of people. The problems are in the kings, the parties, or dictators trying to stop DEMOCRACY from spouting in their countries.

Please do not degrade the people of Vietnam by saying "something that works here may not necessarily work there until people "there" are ready for it."

Pho Thuong Dan and FIRREA,

You two are humanoids made in USA, by General Electric and can replace what used to be traded as shown in this link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

LKI wrote:

You can't live in this world without mentality. I meant we talked about fun & wild stuffs, you sure do know what i meant.
Sometimes i felt like talking to you just like looping around the same circle.

I understand very well. Thank you.

Uncle Tom wrote:

Pho Thuong Dan and FIRREA,
You two are humanoids made in USA, by General Electric and can replace what used to be traded as shown in this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I already ask you to tell me what you understand about freedom and democracy but now with your post above, I can be confirmed that you are just a robot or a parrot who cannot THINK.

Just shut up and get out of here, I don't want to "talk" to you again.

Uncle Tom wrote:

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Good for you!
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Someone else, not you, had to work hard to build and maintain what you are enjoying. Additionally, something that works here may not necessarily work there until people "there" are ready for it. Besides, you don't represent the people "there".
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Many people in this forum see that you are a bad influence.
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You are not helping people here to understand about Freedom and Democracy because of two obvuos reasons: 1) you don't understand what Freedom and Democracy are about, yourself; and, 2) it's only an excuse for you to criticize the government in Vietnam and spread hatred against it.
Another bad thing is that you condone people here to talk down on your country and your people while worshiping your blanca master.

So Uncle Tom 1) can you tell readers your understanding of Freedom and Democracy? 2) So can you prove that spreading words and principles of Freedom and Democracy is talking down VNese people and spreading hatred?
Extra: What is the main reason of Freedom and Democracy work here or first world countries but not for VN in your point of view?

If you understand very well, please give comment on the issue of filling out forms for "legal protest" and NONE was awarded for protest?
Please give your opinion on "legal or illegal" walkout by Vietnamese workers?

I might be a "humanoids made in USA" but my heart is out to the prisoners in VN, the people of Vietnam. Where is your heart?

VNphiCS wrote:

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So Uncle Tom 1) can you tell readers your understanding of Freedom and Democracy? 2) So can you prove that spreading words and principles of Freedom and Democracy is talking down VNese people and spreading hatred?
Extra: What is the main reason of Freedom and Democracy work here or first world countries but not for VN in your point of view?

You are late. Read these:

http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/T765...
http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/T5OM...
http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/TPG3...

In South Vietnam pre-1975, we did enjoy the very beginning aspects of DEMOCRACY under President Nguyen Van Thieu era.
One of an important degree of democracy our people did enjoy in South Vietnam pre-1975 is the popularity of our people participation in selection of our local, regional and national leaders. This was an important practice and also important experience to our people about democracy.

If I can recall, our people in the South did vote twice for president and vice president selections, also twice voted to select the entire House of Representative and elected the 60 members of the Senate. Our people also had selected hamlet chiefs and hamlet councils.

Non-communist oppositions to President Nguyen van Thieu were allowed to run for office, or the Congress, and were elected at many levels of our political system.

We had freedom of Press, freedom of religion and a very few restrictions or interference from the government on cultural or intellectual lives. Our artists, poets, writers can freely express their interest without much control from State.

Our court system is also very good, though. We have trained and qualified judge, we have a rule of law, and we also have a court system that protects people’s rights.

Our democratic system was imperfect, but at least I can say our people had already encountered the very first system of DEMOCRACY and enjoy all the RIGHTS and the FREEDOM accompanied with it with no problems at all.

So why the heck is the VCs now telling our people to stay away from their rights and their freedom to choose their leaders? Why is the VCs now jailing all of our people asking for DEMOCRACY?

Uncle Tom wrote:

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You are late. Read these:
http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/T765...
http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/T5OM...
http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/TPG3...

Uncle Tom or MNV,
No sir, you didn't answer my questions straight. Your point of view is totally against Democracy for VN. Let me rephrase my 1st question and hopefully you can give us (the readers) a clear straight answer. In your opinion, can you provide your definition of Democracy? Or you are so ignorant about it and think Democracy is not for VNese people.
You haven't be able to answer my 2nd and 3rd extra question here.

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

In South Vietnam pre-1975, we did enjoy the very beginning aspects of DEMOCRACY under President Nguyen Van Thieu era.
One of an important degree of democracy our people did enjoy in South Vietnam pre-1975 is the popularity of our people participation in selection of our local, regional and national leaders. This was an important practice and also important experience to our people about democracy.
If I can recall, our people in the South did vote twice for president and vice president selections, also twice voted to select the entire House of Representative and elected the 60 members of the Senate. Our people also had selected hamlet chiefs and hamlet councils.
Non-communist oppositions to President Nguyen van Thieu were allowed to run for office, or the Congress, and were elected at many levels of our political system.
We had freedom of Press, freedom of religion and a very few restrictions or interference from the government on cultural or intellectual lives. Our artists, poets, writers can freely express their interest without much control from State.
Our court system is also very good, though. We have trained and qualified judge, we have a rule of law, and we also have a court system that protects people’s rights.
Our democratic system was imperfect, but at least I can say our people had already encountered the very first system of DEMOCRACY and enjoy all the RIGHTS and the FREEDOM accompanied with it with no problems at all.
So why the heck is the VCs now telling our people to stay away from their rights and their freedom to choose their leaders? Why is the VCs now jailing all of our people asking for DEMOCRACY?

Balony! How can you have democracy and freedom when your governments were selected and disposed by foreigners.

http://www.vhpamuseum.org/vietnam/vietnam.sht...

You are still BSing, mr phony.

"We of the Kennedy and Johnson administrations who participated in the decisions on Vietnam acted according to what we thought were the principles and traditions of this nation. We made our decisions in light of those values. Yet we were wrong, terribly wrong. We owe it to future generations to explain why." Robert McNamara

THE TRAGEDY AND LESSONS OF VIETNAM

http://archives.obs-us.com/obs/english/books/...

Bill B
Waterbury, CT
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Saw a post that said you should look to the future and not the past. That's the mistake these young Vietnamese make. It's from studying the past that you learn for the future - if nothing else it teaches you what not to do.
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Can't wait to see the posts from the Young Vietnamese who don't know a damn thing about their country...talk shit here and think they're smart dudes growng up in America and playing Rah Rah about being Vietnamese. Hell I've got more time in country (Vietnam) than 90% of you posting here. Suck on that fact for awhile.
http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/TKF4...

VNphiCS wrote:

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Uncle Tom or MNV,
No sir, you didn't answer my questions straight. Your point of view is totally against Democracy for VN. Let me rephrase my 1st question and hopefully you can give us (the readers) a clear straight answer. In your opinion, can you provide your definition of Democracy? Or you are so ignorant about it and think Democracy is not for VNese people.
You haven't be able to answer my 2nd and 3rd extra question here.

Sorry, I am not your father to take that responsibility.

What happened to your father? He should have eduacated you to know the right and the wrong.