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KSD wrote:

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How come it's hard for you to talk about a grand entity such as Vietnam without having to resort to the small and petty entity such as myself? Am I that important in your discussion about Vietnam? Again, I'm not that significant, and I don't care if you insult me for being whatever for I already know who/what I am.

You are entitled to make yourself sound important the the rest of your gang. However, that is dumb.

KSD wrote:

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Signing on to this forum to discuss about the shortcomings of Vietnam is one of my goals. It's important for Vietnam to see her weaknesses in order to take corrective actions. Tu Van remember?
Also, I'm not just taking, I have a few of things going on in Vietnam too. I'm a big fan of Wimax, and I'm doing everything I can to speed up the development in this area as soon as possible. But let's not focus on me, let's focus on the issues at hand.

You kids are good at trying to mix things up. Vietnam and are two different things. Tu Van discusses problems with Vietnamese. Your phony "freedom and democracy" slogan does not fit in.

KSD wrote:

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By the way, you misunderstood again ;) the 'muddy pool' I was referring to was the 'muddy personal level attacks' that you tried to get me engaged. Please go back and read your own writings, they speaks very loud!!! ;)

Viet Kieu may have more high degrees, more Mercedes, more Lexus, more BMW and more plastic sugeries, but most of them are still in a muddy pool.

KSD wrote:

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Back to the issue, I believe that Vietnam should open up the press because they can expose the ugliness and the corruptions so we can deal with them and move on to become a prosperous nation.

That is only your belief and we have about 86 millions of those which no doubt want Vietnam to become a prosperous nation. What make you think that what you think, know and believe it better than others'?

Again, get of your butts and clean your backyard before sticking your nose into someone else's business.

By the way, you are one of those who ran away, now you should knock on the door and say "please".

Stop talking big, Mr yellow know-it-all uncle Tom.

Corrected version:

KSD wrote:

How come it's hard for you to talk about a grand entity such as Vietnam without having to resort to the small and petty entity such as myself? Am I that important in your discussion about Vietnam? Again, I'm not that significant, and I don't care if you insult me for being whatever for I already know who/what I am.

You are entitled to make yourself sound important like the rest of your gang. However, that is dumb.

KSD wrote:

Signing on to this forum to discuss about the shortcomings of Vietnam is one of my goals. It's important for Vietnam to see her weaknesses in order to take corrective actions. Tu Van remember?
Also, I'm not just taking, I have a few of things going on in Vietnam too. I'm a big fan of Wimax, and I'm doing everything I can to speed up the development in this area as soon as possible. But let's not focus on me, let's focus on the issues at hand.

You kids are good at trying to mix things up. Vietnam and Vietnamese are two different subjects. Tu Van discusses problems with Vietnamese. Your phony "freedom and democracy" slogan does not fit in.

KSD wrote:

By the way, you misunderstood again ;) the 'muddy pool' I was referring to was the 'muddy personal level attacks' that you tried to get me engaged. Please go back and read your own writings, they speaks very loud!!! ;)

Personal attack is what your gang have started and been doing all over this forum. We just picked it up and let you have a taste of your own medicine.

And by George, we are good at it now!

Viet Kieu may have more high degrees, more Mercedes, more Lexus, more BMW and more plastic sugeries, but most of them are still in a muddy pool of low "dan tri".

KSD wrote:

Back to the issue, I believe that Vietnam should open up the press because they can expose the ugliness and the corruptions so we can deal with them and move on to become a prosperous nation.

That is only your belief and we have about 86 millions of those which no doubt want Vietnam to become a prosperous nation. What make you think that what you think, know and believe it better than others'?

Again, get of your butts and clean your backyard before sticking your nose into someone else's business.

By the way, you are one of those who ran away, now you should knock on the door and say "please".

Stop talking big, Mr yellow know-it-all uncle Tom.

I do admire VC liars like you and Ho cho Minh.
Well you guys call this paradise
http://tintuc.timnhanh.com/phap_luat/
Luckily during last 20 years 31 nations left this kind of VC paradise already!

zenon Sr wrote:

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You are entitled to make yourself sound important the the rest of your gang. However, that is dumb.
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You kids are good at trying to mix things up. Vietnam and are two different things. Tu Van discusses problems with Vietnamese. Your phony "freedom and democracy" slogan does not fit in.
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Viet Kieu may have more high degrees, more Mercedes, more Lexus, more BMW and more plastic sugeries, but most of them are still in a muddy pool.
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That is only your belief and we have about 86 millions of those which no doubt want Vietnam to become a prosperous nation. What make you think that what you think, know and believe it better than others'?
Again, get of your butts and clean your backyard before sticking your nose into someone else's business.
By the way, you are one of those who ran away, now you should knock on the door and say "please".
Stop talking big, Mr yellow know-it-all uncle Tom.

If some body or some entity or some thing disappears from life it does not necessarily mean that it is evil or bad.
Think of the dinosaur.

It means that that thing or entity is out of date and does not fit in any more.

Think of the VNCH regime!!

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

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Hahaha, Mr. Dan Tri seems to be so polite to KSD.
Am I upset for not being mentioned in Kevin's circle of friends?
Of course not.
I am about to leave for a retreat, and I feel good when nobody pay attention to me, especially with Kevin back to the forum, I know our discussion is in his good hands.

Bon voyage, old goat!

But wait! Don't flee too quickly for it is not as urgent as 1975.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

You will need to give that kid a ride, sergeant Nguyen Van Thieu.

http://music.vnunited.com/audio_books/viet/ed...
http://music.vnunited.com/audio_books/viet/ed...

PassingBy wrote:

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http://www.muctim.com.vn/Vietnam/The-gioi-tuo...
Human droid
According to this website NguyenVanThieu had all the same managed to steal a few tons of gold and shipped it to Europe (France). Also he carried tons of belongings including dollars and other precious gems and gold to Taiwan.

You Are Such A pathological LIAR - The article You Posted Did Confirm Your OPENLY Lie - Also, This is the First Article in a Series of 5 Articles Originated From Tuoi Tre Newspaper - A VC Media - CLEARLY Detailed the "Story of 16 Tons of Gold" - The Said SVN Property Was Transfferred to "New VC Government" :

Tuoi Tre Online
D&#432;uoi day la hoi uc cua ong ve cuoc kiem ke kho vang lan cuoi cung truoc khi ban giao cho chinh quyen cach mang

http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Index.aspx...

Tell ALL Readers Here - How CAN You "Possess Such a Lie Like This ???

Zenom

Think of non-communists winners for 31 nations/people since the fall of communism!
Well only 4 stupid commie nations left: China, VN, Cuba and North Korea.
The history will prove that communists are not only true dinosaurs but hated murderers!

The Intl Observer wrote:

If some body or some entity or some thing disappears from life it does not necessarily mean that it is evil or bad.
Think of the dinosaur.
It means that that thing or entity is out of date and does not fit in any more.
Think of the VNCH regime!!

zenon Sr wrote:

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You are entitled to make yourself sound important the the rest of your gang. However, that is dumb.
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You kids are good at trying to mix things up. Vietnam and are two different things. Tu Van discusses problems with Vietnamese. Your phony "freedom and democracy" slogan does not fit in.
<quoted text>
Viet Kieu may have more high degrees, more Mercedes, more Lexus, more BMW and more plastic sugeries, but most of them are still in a muddy pool.
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That is only your belief and we have about 86 millions of those which no doubt want Vietnam to become a prosperous nation. What make you think that what you think, know and believe it better than others'?
Again, get of your butts and clean your backyard before sticking your nose into someone else's business.
By the way, you are one of those who ran away, now you should knock on the door and say "please".
Stop talking big, Mr yellow know-it-all uncle Tom.

Thanks for your reply. If you want to carry on an intelligent discussion please shift your focus back to Vietnam's problems and not me. I'm nothing compared to Vietnam, don't overplay my importance here ;)

Vietnam is every Vietnamese' business.

Tu Van discusses the problems with the Vietnamese, and what does Vietnam have without the Vietnamese? so, Vietnam is about Vietnamese.

I did run away to a place where you are now too, I enjoy it, and it seems that you are too or you are free to go. Ok, so I'm bad...now let's get back to the subject. Vietnam is corrupted to the core. Let's do something about it, like freeing the press for example.

If you believe that my belief is nothing better than others' please feel free to elaborate and show me and others how it can be done better instead of having to resort to personal attacks.

If you still think Viet Kieu is your enemy that's ok, you and your opinions are not that important either in comparison to Nguyen Tan Dung's. Last time I heard he did beg for Viet Kieu to return by making it easier for come back and help Vietnam. You seem very good with Google, please do a search.

I know that Vietnamese are bright and hardworking, but given the current environment, it's like having a big fish in a small pond.
Look at the Koreans, they are the same people with the same IQ. One is in a muddy pond, the other is not. The results are obvious.

Please response constructively. This can only be good for you. Thanks.

KSD wrote:

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Thanks for your reply. If you want to carry on an intelligent discussion please shift your focus back to Vietnam's problems and not me. I'm nothing compared to Vietnam, don't overplay my importance here ;)
Vietnam is every Vietnamese' business.
Tu Van discusses the problems with the Vietnamese, and what does Vietnam have without the Vietnamese? so, Vietnam is about Vietnamese.
I did run away to a place where you are now too, I enjoy it, and it seems that you are too or you are free to go. Ok, so I'm bad...now let's get back to the subject. Vietnam is corrupted to the core. Let's do something about it, like freeing the press for example.
If you believe that my belief is nothing better than others' please feel free to elaborate and show me and others how it can be done better instead of having to resort to personal attacks.
If you still think Viet Kieu is your enemy that's ok, you and your opinions are not that important either in comparison to Nguyen Tan Dung's. Last time I heard he did beg for Viet Kieu to return by making it easier for come back and help Vietnam. You seem very good with Google, please do a search.
I know that Vietnamese are bright and hardworking, but given the current environment, it's like having a big fish in a small pond.
Look at the Koreans, they are the same people with the same IQ. One is in a muddy pond, the other is not. The results are obvious.
Please response constructively. This can only be good for you. Thanks.

It's seems that we are not on the same plane?

Let's shift our focus back to the Vietnamese "dan tri" problems than have kept Vietnam in a muddy pool for generations. The problems have existed since way before you and me were born even. Whatever you think you see and hear about Vietnam are only minor and they are only the symptoms not the cause of all of our people's miseries. If your care to think a little then you will understand that low "dan tri" is the cause of those symptoms called "corruption", and, there are a lot of corrupted Viet Kieu around here too.

Try to look at a broader picture of a change, my son/daughter. I wonder if you have ever had any good guidance from your father?

My tummy is nagging!

Correction:

t's seems that we are not on the same plane?

Instead, let's shift our focus back to the Vietnamese "dan tri" problems that have kept Vietnam in a muddy pool for generations. The problems have existed since way before you and me were born even. Whatever you think you see and hear about Vietnam are only minor and they are only the symptoms not the cause of all of our people's miseries. If your care to think a little then you will understand that low "dan tri" is the cause of one those symptoms called "corruption", and, there are a lot of corrupted Viet Kieu around here too.

Try to look at a broader picture of a change, my son/daughter. I wonder if you have ever had any good guidance from your father?

Almost perfect:

It's seems that we are not on the same plane?

Instead, let's shift our focus back to the Vietnamese "dan tri" problems that have kept Vietnam in a muddy pool for generations. The problems have existed since way before you and I were born even. Whatever you think you see and hear about Vietnam are only minor and they are only the symptoms not the cause of all of our people's miseries. If you care to think a little then you will understand that low "dan tri" is the cause of one those symptoms called "corruption", and, there are a lot of corrupted Viet Kieu around here too.

Try to look at a broader picture of a change, my son/daughter. I wonder if you have ever had any good guidance from your father?

zenon Sr wrote:

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1. You are entitled to make yourself sound important like the rest of your gang. However, that is dumb.

2. You kids are good at trying to mix things up. Vietnam and Vietnamese are two different subjects. Tu Van discusses problems with Vietnamese. Your phony "freedom and democracy" slogan does not fit in.

3. Personal attack is what your gang have started and been doing all over this forum. We just picked it up and let you have a taste of your own medicine.
And by George, we are good at it now!

4. Viet Kieu may have more high degrees, more Mercedes, more Lexus, more BMW and more plastic sugeries, but most of them are still in a muddy pool of low "dan tri".

5. That is only your belief and we have about 86 millions of those which no doubt want Vietnam to become a prosperous nation. What make you think that what you think, know and believe it better than others'?

6. Again, get of your butts and clean your backyard before sticking your nose into someone else's business.

7. By the way, you are one of those who ran away, now you should knock on the door and say "please".

8. Stop talking big, Mr yellow know-it-all uncle Tom.

1. I was hoping that you can be civilised enough to have a proper discussion with KSD whose sincerity and passion for Vietnam surpass yours. This comment is unwarranted. Let take ‘that is dumb’ out of the sentence, what is left? Not withstanding the fact that KSD and “his gang” did not want to make themselves important, why do you have a problem with that? You are important to the prospect of Vietnam too. With your stubbornness of attacking every effort to deal with the corruption problem in Vietnam, you are therefore of important to us for we have to deal with people like you whom for whatever reasons, have been blindly supported the corrupted Vietcong regime.

2. That “kid” KSD had already made the point. That “kid” has been very polite and respectful to you, an older Vietnamese. When you call him a “kid”, please act your age.

3. You are an older Vietnamese to those “kids”, aren’t you? As an older Vietnamese, shouldn’t you lead by example? Why do you follow the “kids”? Furthermore, I have scanted through KSD comments and there is no personal attack. I still remember VCTerminator, another younger Vietnamese who had been trying to reason with you, an older Vietnamese to be civil.

4. You are the one who often disrespectfully state that the “dan tri” of our people Vietnamese is low. How can you lift the level of our people “dan tri” when you follow the “bad examples” from the “kids”?(To becontinued)

zenon Sr wrote:

Corrected version:

1. You are entitled to make yourself sound important like the rest of your gang. However, that is dumb.

2. You kids are good at trying to mix things up. Vietnam and Vietnamese are two different subjects. Tu Van discusses problems with Vietnamese. Your phony "freedom and democracy" slogan does not fit in.

3. Personal attack is what your gang have started and been doing all over this forum. We just picked it up and let you have a taste of your own medicine.
And by George, we are good at it now!

4. Viet Kieu may have more high degrees, more Mercedes, more Lexus, more BMW and more plastic sugeries, but most of them are still in a muddy pool of low "dan tri".

5. That is only your belief and we have about 86 millions of those which no doubt want Vietnam to become a prosperous nation. What make you think that what you think, know and believe it better than others'?

6. Again, get of your butts and clean your backyard before sticking your nose into someone else's business.

7. By the way, you are one of those who ran away, now you should knock on the door and say "please".

8. Stop talking big, Mr yellow know-it-all uncle Tom.

(Cont.)

5. You can answer this same question. How do you know what you think is right or better than what the rest of Vietnamese think?

6. Let me remind you that no one owns Vietnamese whether they are at home or aboard. You have misused the terms “your backyard” and “someone else’s”. Who are you to determine that Vietnamese overseas belong to someone and Vietnamese at home belong to someone else? Besides, you are overseas too so by your own reasoning, how do you answer if someone asks you what right do you have to talk about Vietnam and her people? I personally don’t question your right to talk about Vietnam and her people for I believe every Vietnamese has a duty and the right to talk about Vietnam and our people.

7. Even this Vietcong regime has to encourage Vietnamese to contribute to the effort of building Vietnam. Their refusal of entry for certain group within overseas Vietnamese is politically motivated. Until Vietnamese democratically elect their own government in a popular, free election, Vietcong regime can not be considered representative of Vietnamese people.

8. This is your trademark, isn’t it? To end your rare longer than a few lines comment with another personal insult to compliment the opening personal attack. How sad! I thought that you can behave like normal Vietnamese with good “dan tri”. How wrong I was!

Thank you very much. Now, this is the kind of discussion would be more or less help Vietnam.

Corruption has many causes, the most obvious one being poverty, the other being low 'dan tri', did I stressed in my early comments that I know exactly what you meant? I know about Phan Boi Chau and many others mentioned in Tu Van.

I wrote here somewhere about the children of many Viet Kieu here in the States show good signs that they have improved Dan Tri. That can only mean it's not the Vietnamese people problem (inherited in the Vietnamese gene), but rather it's the environment, society, or culture that they were exposed to when the were brought up.

It would be too much and unrealistic to ask Vietnamese to improve their 'dan tri' in a few decades, but I have no doubt that it can be done by starting to tackle other social problems like fighting corruption the best we can so Vietnam can become a developed nation sooner. Reducing poverty will create opportunities, opportunities are all the Vietnamese needed as they are adaptive and hardworking people. Once people have access to higher education, they will be more aware of the world around them, they will have the tendency to think outside of the box, and these are the people that you have been calling 'intellectuals'
Intellectuals are not always IQ smart, but they are likely educated.

Now let's go back to problem number one, corruption. We all know it's there, we all know that it runs deep into every level of the government, what are we going to do about it? I have been thinking, the press is the best candidate for dealing with corruption. So I suggest the young people in Vietnam should focus on their most basic right. The right to know the truth. Who else can bring the truth better to our youth than an honest free press?

KSD wrote:

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Thanks for your reply. If you want to carry on an intelligent discussion please shift your focus back to Vietnam's problems and not me. I'm nothing compared to Vietnam, don't overplay my importance here ;)
Vietnam is every Vietnamese' business.
Tu Van discusses the problems with the Vietnamese, and what does Vietnam have without the Vietnamese? so, Vietnam is about Vietnamese.
I did run away to a place where you are now too, I enjoy it, and it seems that you are too or you are free to go. Ok, so I'm bad...now let's get back to the subject. Vietnam is corrupted to the core. Let's do something about it, like freeing the press for example.
If you believe that my belief is nothing better than others' please feel free to elaborate and show me and others how it can be done better instead of having to resort to personal attacks.
If you still think Viet Kieu is your enemy that's ok, you and your opinions are not that important either in comparison to Nguyen Tan Dung's. Last time I heard he did beg for Viet Kieu to return by making it easier for come back and help Vietnam. You seem very good with Google, please do a search.
I know that Vietnamese are bright and hardworking, but given the current environment, it's like having a big fish in a small pond.
Look at the Koreans, they are the same people with the same IQ. One is in a muddy pond, the other is not. The results are obvious.
Please response constructively. This can only be good for you. Thanks.

Hello, that guy acts like a kid and cannot even use his own names. In the past many people tried to ask him questions and for his intake on the problems Vietnam is going through right now, and he barely beat around the bushes. All he could do was change the subject, use personal insults, or insult other people's parents. You will have a better discussion with three years old than with him, because three year olds are taught manners.

VCterminator wrote:

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Hello, that guy acts like a kid and cannot even use his own names. In the past many people tried to ask him questions and for his intake on the problems Vietnam is going through right now, and he barely beat around the bushes. All he could do was change the subject, use personal insults, or insult other people's parents. You will have a better discussion with three years old than with him, because three year olds are taught manners.

hehehe I know. I was hoping for other audiences in Vietnam. The more he talks, the more he spits insults, the better he help proving my points. ;)
Cheers ;)

KSD wrote:

Thank you very much. Now, this is the kind of discussion would be more or less help Vietnam.
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Who else can bring the truth better to our youth than an honest free press?

Mr. Smart AlecK, may we have your analysis on this?- by the way, go back to listen to the links at the bottom of post #14136, a reply to Pho Thuong Dan, and you may learn something.

Problems with young Viet Kieu
Disconnected
The city's Vietnamese population is turning to Harvard for help in understanding the problems its youth are facing - problems that are often manifested through violence.
By Maria Cramer
Globe Staff / May 27, 2008
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/200...

And this?

Freedom and democracy at work in India for over 60 years.

The Rise Of India - many more PhDs but plagued by problems, corruption and poverty
"Per-capita income is just $460, and 300 million Indians subsist on $1 a day or less. Lethargic courts can take 20 years to resolve contract disputes. And what pass for highways in Bombay are choked, crumbling roads lined with slums, garbage heaps, and homeless migrants sleeping on bare pavement. More than a third of India's 1 billion citizens are illiterate, and just 60% of homes have electricity. Most bureaucracies are bloated, corrupt, and dysfunctional. The government's 10% budget deficit is alarming."
http://www.nasscom.in/Nasscom/templates/Norma...

Child Labour in India
"After nearly 59 years of Independence and over a decade after India became a signatory to the United Nations Convention on Child Rights, our children continue to be the most neglected segment. Statistics reveal that India has 17 million child labourers -- the highest in the world."
http://www.indiatogether.org/photo/2006/chi-l...

"India is the largest example of a nation plagued by the problem of child labour. Estimates cite figures of between 60 and 115 million working children in India -- the highest number in the world (Human Rights Watch 1996, 1)."
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Library/...

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KSD wrote:

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hehehe I know. I was hoping for other audiences in Vietnam. The more he talks, the more he spits insults, the better he help proving my points. ;)
Cheers ;)

I thought you were better than that nasty boy but stupid Viet Kieu are stupid regardless of their age!

zenom Sr wrote:

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I thought you were better than that nasty boy but stupid Viet Kieu are stupid regardless of their age!

Can you show some "leadership"? If you uphold the standard it will only help your "standing".

What can you achieve by calling "Viet kieu" stupid?