Freedom For Vietnam!

UncleTom wrote:

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Sorry, I am not your father to take that responsibility.
What happened to your father? He should have eduacated you to know the right and the wrong.

Again,
Another Wrong! You are no one's father here. Your answer is showing that you are ignorant and tried to debate as an intelligent person.
If you want to talk about Freedom and Democracy, at least you have to show how you understand Freedom and Democracy. So far, I can see you have none mister.
You don't have to apology to me just admit that you don't know what is Democracy and totally ignorant about It.

VNphiCS wrote:

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Again,
Another Wrong! You are no one's father here. Your answer is showing that you are ignorant and tried to debate as an intelligent person.
If you want to talk about Freedom and Democracy, at least you have to show how you understand Freedom and Democracy. So far, I can see you have none mister.
You don't have to apology to me just admit that you don't know what is Democracy and totally ignorant about It.

I told you to read those links to get the information that you asked for. If you are lazy then that's your problem. I can also see how smart you are already.

By the way, trying to play game with me won't work. You don't have enough brain and wisdom.

I know when I brought up the South Vietnam experience of democracy, the VCs would jump up and down and said Oh No, this was a puppet government, an extended arm of the USA to rule Vietnam. The people in South Vietnam were invaded by the USA. So, to the VCs, there was a need to "liberate" people in the South to FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE.

Hahaha. The stupid VCs are a bunch of liars. They “won” the war and TOOK AWAY from our people the right to choose their government or their leaders and also most of our people FREEDOM. They impose and totally dictate their rules with their police and their AK-47s.

Does that what our people "gain" after the fight for our freedom and independence?

Uncle Tom wrote:

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I told you to read those links to get the information that you asked for. If you are lazy then that's your problem. I can also see how smart you are already.
By the way, trying to play game with me won't work. You don't have enough brain and wisdom.

Hey, it is not worth of my time to re read your cut and paste posts. No one is playing game here. We want to have a good decent debates and get through the point.
I need no brain and wisdom to debate with commies since, brain and wisdom are no use for them and hope you are not one of them.

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

I know when I brought up the South Vietnam experience of democracy, the VCs would jump up and down and said Oh No, this was a puppet government, an extended arm of the USA to rule Vietnam. The people in South Vietnam were invaded by the USA. So, to the VCs, there was a need to "liberate" people in the South to FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE.
Hahaha. The stupid VCs are a bunch of liars. They “won” the war and TOOK AWAY from our people the right to choose their government or their leaders and also most of our people FREEDOM. They impose and totally dictate their rules with their police and their AK-47s.
Does that what our people "gain" after the fight for our freedom and independence?

Nobody jumped up and down because of you. We support your presence and enjoy your show. Let's provide you with some background music to add color to your idiotic acts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Don't forget to place an open hat (not that kind of hat!) in front of you, close your eyes and you will get a big surprise.

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

I know when I brought up the South Vietnam experience of democracy, the VCs would jump up and down and said Oh No, this was a puppet government, an extended arm of the USA to rule Vietnam. The people in South Vietnam were invaded by the USA. So, to the VCs, there was a need to "liberate" people in the South to FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE.
Hahaha. The stupid VCs are a bunch of liars. They “won” the war and TOOK AWAY from our people the right to choose their government or their leaders and also most of our people FREEDOM. They impose and totally dictate their rules with their police and their AK-47s.
Does that what our people "gain" after the fight for our freedom and independence?

You are stupid now, so you must be an idiot then.

Uncle Tom wrote:

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I told you to read those links to get the information that you asked for. If you are lazy then that's your problem. I can also see how smart you are already.
By the way, trying to play game with me won't work. You don't have enough brain and wisdom.

Again, you said nothing about your DEFINITION of Democracy. "Vietnamese are not ready for Democracy" is NOT a DEFINITION.

FIRREA wrote:

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Again, you said nothing about your DEFINITION of Democracy. "Vietnamese are not ready for Democracy" is NOT a DEFINITION.

"Thieu elements of the Vietnamese army (ARVN) manage much of the distribution and sale of heroin to GIs inside South Vietnam."
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,9053...
http://members.tripod.com/~nguyentin/heroin-4...

Ambassador Ellsworth Bunker’s Cable Concerning Corruption in South Vietnam
http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/exhibits/v...
http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/exhibits/v...
http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/exhibits/v...

http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/T2KC...
VietAmerican
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FIRREA wrote:
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You are in denial. South VN had a flag, a gov't, and an army. The world recognizes the VNCH as a formal regime of South VN. Just as it recognizes that VN is currently being rule by communist, the VCP. And when VN becomes a Democratic nation, don't worry, the world will recognize the VCP as the formal regime of VN.
If you want to move foward you have to accept the past.

You are in denial. What is formal about VNCHoe? When the US left the VNCHoe dies right away. VCP was isolated by the whole world for decade but still survive and well

http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/TKF4...
neutral
Los Angeles, CA
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Bill B wrote:
You have to love the posts from some of these Americanized Vietnamese who never saw their country, yet alone fought against the VC/NVA.
They can't take the heat when someone tells them their own forces were pretty pethetic. Most grunts who served in the Nam will tell you the same thing.
The Saigon Political Machine under Diem, Big Minh, Theiu and Ky served only to enrich themselves and their cronies. Theiu tried to fly a plane load of gold to Taiwan while everything was falling around him - the VC and NVA a mere 30 klicks outside of Saigon over running the American Airbase at Bien Hoa.
The standard come back from these types - the deniers that never set foot on Viet soil is to tell the writer that he never served or he's Audie Murphy etc. That somehow makes it true.
Do any of these deniers know of "Operation Deleware" our biggest and one of our deadliest operations re killed and wounded - where the 101st provided blocking positions for the 1st Air Cav's assult into the A Shau Velley. We interdicted VC/NVA supply routes along Highway 547 leading out of the valley towards Hue. Our brigade along with the ARVN 3rd Abn Task Force (Great Viet Soldiers) fought in the Rao Nho and Rho Nai valleys - established Firebase "Veghel," but of course I wasn't there.
Let's have a "33" together and you can tell me how I never served and I'll tell you how brave the ARVN forces were.
Now any of you Heros know what "Dung Si Xung Kich means.

Bill, I am not a heros of ARVN, I used to lived acrossed the 17' N. parallel.
"DUNG SI ,XUNG KICH " means "WARIOR, IMPULSIVE" It looks like you got this from the NVA ?
I am sure you were in airbone at Hue during 1968 , it was very intensive wasnt' it ? Please give these people more "heat" they need to wake up. stop calling them "heros". a hero should stay there and fight. call them "chickens" !
Funny thing is , now these people want you to go back there and continue to fight for them of the 2 small islands that they claimed China had invaded. Would you go back there again ?

http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/TKF4...
my opinion
Los Angeles, CA
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Bill B wrote:
No More lies spins a happy tale....
I fought with 2nd Bn, 501st Abn Inf., 101st Abn Div at Phuoc Yen then again at the Song Bo River 2 klicks NW of Hue. We had some popular force and "Black Panther" soldiers from the 1st ARVN Div with us and they were fucken worthless.
Outside of ARVN Rangers and some Viet Airborne units - the rest were for the most part hopeless. The ARVN officers were more interested in shaking down their troops...the appointments to ARVN command positions were politically motivated and most didn't have a clue how to soldier or command and the rich Vietnamese sent their kids to Paris to spend time whoring while their less well off brothers were conscripted to serve in the ARVN.
With all the training we gave them...all the weapons and ammo they couldn't hold out against the VC and NVA without us taking up the brunt of the fight.
After 9 fucking years wouldn't you think the ARVN would stand and fight.
Maybe the other readers here would like to know what unit you fight with cowboy?

Bill I am with you 100%! you hit to the right button ! The south VN gorverment just a puppet. most of the battles the ARVN fought were definetly relly on American advisers. without a "father" a "son" could not walk. At the same time NVA equipped less in quantity and quality, They high comands were well plans and tactics, always "suprise the enermy". no wonder Westmoreland say: " a respected enermy"
Without mentioning, there were alot of corruption shit going on in South Vietnam gorverment-system. Using American-aid turn to personel luxury. The South VietNamese had no determine to fight the communist like the South Korean do. again they were just "lazy" rellied on the "father".
BIll, I am glad your goverment saw that and in 1974 they did not want to fuck with that shit anymore, less that a year they could not stand a chance.
Us gorverment never paid an attention or visited Thieu or Cao Ky,(after 1975 while they were living in US) they are quite useless . Funny thing is these people here now crying "American-allied abandonned us". for my understanding "allied" like partners. In war world 2 French could be allied with American, the British could be allied with American same as the Rusian, You have this I have that then together is called "allied". In the 60s-70s what kind the shit the South Vietnam offered they called themself "allied" with US ?
I am glad you are alive today Bill. take care !

VNphiCS wrote:

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Hey, it is not worth of my time to re read your cut and paste posts. No one is playing game here. We want to have a good decent debates and get through the point.
I need no brain and wisdom to debate with commies since, brain and wisdom are no use for them and hope you are not one of them.

You? Doing debate? It's a big joke!

You are just too ignorant and stupid to waste my time.

Silly VNCH underlings..

Even though elements of democracy they enjoyed in South Vietnam before 1975 were real, the setting was fake. I have mentioned about that many times in this forum.

Why was the setting fake?

Think of a novel or a Hollywood movie.
In a novel, the characters talk , behave as told or planned out by the writer. The writer creates the characters and then makes a plot or story where each character plays his part according to the writer's dictates.
The same goes for a movie.

The American government hand picked the actors to play those characters for its Hollywood movie from the population in SVN and made sure that those actors did what they were told to do. The plot was "A anti communist South Vietnam government" fighting the communists and stop them at the 17th parallel, not letting them moving further south of 17th parallel".

Of course these actors in the movie had to display some elements of democracy so that the tax payers in the US would finance the movie.
Since it was a Hollywood movie, the democracy was set up and was as real as the movie and only while it lasted.

As every one knows most Hollywoord movies don't last very long because it costs a lot of money to make just a 90 min. movie.

What would those characters do after the movie, most go back to their real life and wait until the next movie to come.

Amen.

It's so bore to read those cut/paste from VC supporters. Why don't the VC supporters have straight answers to PTD and VNphiCS? Every time I see the word "stupid" from VC supporter, I know that they can't find the answer and I also know that VC will reply my post with some "stupid" words.

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

I know when I brought up the South Vietnam experience of democracy, the VCs would jump up and down and said Oh No, this was a puppet government, an extended arm of the USA to rule Vietnam. The people in South Vietnam were invaded by the USA. So, to the VCs, there was a need to "liberate" people in the South to FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE.
Hahaha. The stupid VCs are a bunch of liars. They “won” the war and TOOK AWAY from our people the right to choose their government or their leaders and also most of our people FREEDOM. They impose and totally dictate their rules with their police and their AK-47s.
Does that what our people "gain" after the fight for our freedom and independence?

My fellow Viets, look at these comments with your own eye-balls and tell me if you think Viets deserved better than this. This is the same crowd. This crowd is claiming that they are advocating Freedom and Democracy for Vietnam. I don't buy it for a minute, do you?

You know it and I know it, when history is twisted and filled with hatred like this, it does no good to anybody including their own kids at home. The damage has been done.

Jean wrote:

It's so bore to read those cut/paste from VC supporters. Why don't the VC supporters have straight answers to PTD and VNphiCS? Every time I see the word "stupid" from VC supporter, I know that they can't find the answer and I also know that VC will reply my post with some "stupid" words.

The VNCH underlings are strange creatures. When they don't like your posts they say "Go to the main topic --
What main topic???.

Some VNCH underlings say :
"Ahhh.. recycled material..Recycled material ..." that they have already read this or that.
There are people who have not read those posts because they are new in the forum

"Ahhhh..... copy and paste... copy and paste ...."
As if the vnch underlings don't copy and paste...

When people say VNCH number #1 they say:
" AHHH!! good good.. you are an educated person... an intellectual person....

When one of their own Jedi boys popped up a filthy poem comparing the body of his girl with feces floating in the water it is OK, no problem ...It's the fault of the others ..and they blamed Pham Duy for it.

One of the Jedi female even said:
"Ahhh... How so so romantic...comparing the body of a girl to feces floating on the river.."

Just tell us where in the world people find feces romantic to look at ???

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Jean wrote:

It's so bore to read those cut/paste from VC supporters. Why don't the VC supporters have straight answers to PTD and VNphiCS? Every time I see the word "stupid" from VC supporter, I know that they can't find the answer and I also know that VC will reply my post with some "stupid" words.

Jean,

What these posters lack are decency, integrity and self-respect.

Is there any merit in the products of their cope and paste?

That creature from Long Beach CA is the worst kind. How can anyone sink that low to stalk every poster who raises legitimate issue with nonsensical copy and paste?

Apart from copy and paste, the only thing comes out from these parrots are foul, indecent and abusive languages.

Please forum, just ignore them. We can discuss among ourselves about issues that concern us, the proud Vietnamese people.

Ryan Boston wrote:

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My fellow Viets, look at these comments with your own eye-balls and tell me if you think Viets deserved better than this. This is the same crowd. This crowd is claiming that they are advocating Freedom and Democracy for Vietnam. I don't buy it for a minute, do you?
You know it and I know it, when history is twisted and filled with hatred like this, it does no good to anybody including their own kids at home. The damage has been done.

300+ millions American have been "damaged" because they will welcome the day Vietnam becomes a DEMOCRATIC NATION. I'm one of them.

Viets deserve FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY.

We might have to live with the lies(VC), but we do not have to respect them.

Commies Lies:
4 more foreign activists detained in China -
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news;_ylt=Ar...

Ryan Boston wrote:

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My fellow Viets, look at these comments with your own eye-balls and tell me if you think Viets deserved better than this. This is the same crowd. This crowd is claiming that they are advocating Freedom and Democracy for Vietnam. I don't buy it for a minute, do you?
You know it and I know it, when history is twisted and filled with hatred like this, it does no good to anybody including their own kids at home. The damage has been done.

Your opinion is that of a tiny minority. The fact that you can even cheer for a totalitarian regime here on this forum shows that democracy is a real and valid fact in the US.

Have you ever posted anything of substance? I have never once heard you cite a quotation from an important figure? I have never heard you cite a noted figure like a writer or philosopher to back up your assertion? Why don't you show us how knowledgeable you are instead of writing shallow little writings that only embarrasses your government? Please tell us your reading list? Please tell us on important books you have ever read in your life and tell us why those books are important?

Seriously, know one is impressed with your dimwitted brain here!

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

In South Vietnam pre-1975, we did enjoy the very beginning aspects of DEMOCRACY under President Nguyen Van Thieu era.
One of an important degree of democracy our people did enjoy in South Vietnam pre-1975 is the popularity of our people participation in selection of our local, regional and national leaders. This was an important practice and also important experience to our people about democracy.
If I can recall, our people in the South did vote twice for president and vice president selections, also twice voted to select the entire House of Representative and elected the 60 members of the Senate. Our people also had selected hamlet chiefs and hamlet councils.
Non-communist oppositions to President Nguyen van Thieu were allowed to run for office, or the Congress, and were elected at many levels of our political system.
We had freedom of Press, freedom of religion and a very few restrictions or interference from the government on cultural or intellectual lives. Our artists, poets, writers can freely express their interest without much control from State.
Our court system is also very good, though. We have trained and qualified judge, we have a rule of law, and we also have a court system that protects people’s rights.
Our democratic system was imperfect, but at least I can say our people had already encountered the very first system of DEMOCRACY and enjoy all the RIGHTS and the FREEDOM accompanied with it with no problems at all.
So why the heck is the VCs now telling our people to stay away from their rights and their freedom to choose their leaders? Why is the VCs now jailing all of our people asking for DEMOCRACY?

You are a frog was living under the well. Saigon is the well that you was living pre 75.(saigon).