Freedom For Vietnam!

Friends
Freedom is not an abstract value. It is in our blood.
In April 30 1975, among million of Viets, I experienced the lack of freedom in my life under the VCP’s rule and embark a journey of learning the meaning of that simple word, FREEDOM.

In 1980, among million of Boat People, I experienced the life and death situation when floating on open sea seeking for freedom in my life.

In 2008, among million of Viets overseas, I have joined other Viets’ efforts to raise the awareness and concern about our home land situation.

The word freedom is still echoing in my heart and mind.
We have talked and discussed in-depth about the need to open a path for DEMOCRACY in Vietnam, now I would like to invite you all into this new round of discussion and debate about the meaning of this powerful word, FREEDOM.

Bring it up to our debate your own ideas. The following questions are in my mind:

1/What is the meaning of FREEDOM to you? Can you give me your own perspective about FREEDOM?

2/ What do you think about freedom when you related to current situation in Vietnam?
Do our people in our homeland have freedom now? If you come up with a “yes” or a “no” please back it up with proof or facts.

3/ If you proved that people in Vietnam currently don’t have freedom, can you state your own though any reason why can’t our people in Vietnam have freedom? The VCP and many supporters said the people of Vietnam need food than freedom, is it true?

4/ Are there any relationships between Freedom and Democracy?

Please feel free to join the discussion in this thread. Any thoughts are welcomed. Please do not quarrel and cursing. Be polite and back up your thoughts with facts or reasons.

This will help me and many others to learn more about the words many Viets overseas shouting toward the VCP now: FREEDOM FOR VIETNAM!

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

Friends
Freedom is not an abstract value. It is in our blood.
In April 30 1975, among million of Viets, I experienced the lack of freedom in my life under the VCP’s rule and embark a journey of learning the meaning of that simple word, FREEDOM.
In 1980, among million of Boat People, I experienced the life and death situation when floating on open sea seeking for freedom in my life.
In 2008, among million of Viets overseas, I have joined other Viets’ efforts to raise the awareness and concern about our home land situation.
The word freedom is still echoing in my heart and mind.
We have talked and discussed in-depth about the need to open a path for DEMOCRACY in Vietnam, now I would like to invite you all into this new round of discussion and debate about the meaning of this powerful word, FREEDOM.
Bring it up to our debate your own ideas. The following questions are in my mind:
1/What is the meaning of FREEDOM to you? Can you give me your own perspective about FREEDOM?
2/ What do you think about freedom when you related to current situation in Vietnam?
Do our people in our homeland have freedom now? If you come up with a “yes” or a “no” please back it up with proof or facts.
3/ If you proved that people in Vietnam currently don’t have freedom, can you state your own though any reason why can’t our people in Vietnam have freedom? The VCP and many supporters said the people of Vietnam need food than freedom, is it true?
4/ Are there any relationships between Freedom and Democracy?
Please feel free to join the discussion in this thread. Any thoughts are welcomed. Please do not quarrel and cursing. Be polite and back up your thoughts with facts or reasons.
This will help me and many others to learn more about the words many Viets overseas shouting toward the VCP now: FREEDOM FOR VIETNAM!

Viet Nam is a freedom country just like any other country in the world. If VN is not freedom, it wouldn't be allowed to joint the UN. Although, VN has a different political system with it's own way of governing the country. Ways that fit and right for the country according to it's history, culture and situation. Any country which has different political system than one American has does not mean it's not right or no Freedom. You sound like if anyone don't believe in God he/she must be evil.

Freedom is universal as we all know it. So long human beings take a breath of air and able to think then freedom is a universal value wherever humanity exists. It is other people who take other people's freedom away. Such has been the case for humanity. But the aspiration to live without fear, to live without servitude to others, to live a normal life with full equality with others are basic components of life.

To me the most fundamental principle of freedom is the freedom from fear!

No one should have to live in fear of the authority. No one should have to live in fear of not being able to worship his religious beliefs. No one should have to live in fear that his words and thoughts will bring harm to his health and well being.

The limit of freedom is that a person is wholly free to do anything he pleases so long as that person does not infringe on another person's right to live a full life.

VC sympathizers cannot even see that the very freedom that is provided by a civilized culture in America which they enjoy without fear or repercussion is the very freedom that is lacking in VC society. How can a person respect anyone who partake in the rights and privileges provided by a principled people while at the very same time deny it for others? Such people are only interested in their own freedom and not the basic freedom that should be accorded to all of humanity without restrictions.

Democracy vs. Freedom
by Jarret Wollstein
http://images.google.com/imgres...

Neither Democracy nor Freedom is UNIVERSAL.
Neither can be EXPORTED nor IMPORTED.
Nothing MANMADE IS ONE SIZE FIT ALL.

New Hampshire is the only state known to "Live Free or Die".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die

Freedom means not being controlled by anything. Even God give us freedom to live the way we like. Vietnam doesn't have freedom because everything is controlled by Communist party. Do Vietnamese people have a choice to vote any other party than Communist party? The answer is "No" because those stupid VCs want to control everything even the f..king DEAD idea. What is that?

Phan Chu Trinh wrote:

Freedom is universal as we all know it. So long human beings take a breath of air and able to think then freedom is a universal value wherever humanity exists. It is other people who take other people's freedom away. Such has been the case for humanity. But the aspiration to live without fear, to live without servitude to others, to live a normal life with full equality with others are basic components of life.
To me the most fundamental principle of freedom is the freedom from fear!
No one should have to live in fear of the authority. No one should have to live in fear of not being able to worship his religious beliefs. No one should have to live in fear that his words and thoughts will bring harm to his health and well being.
The limit of freedom is that a person is wholly free to do anything he pleases so long as that person does not infringe on another person's right to live a full life.
VC sympathizers cannot even see that the very freedom that is provided by a civilized culture in America which they enjoy without fear or repercussion is the very freedom that is lacking in VC society. How can a person respect anyone who partake in the rights and privileges provided by a principled people while at the very same time deny it for others? Such people are only interested in their own freedom and not the basic freedom that should be accorded to all of humanity without restrictions.

It is amazing to me when thinking about that simple word, freedom.
Read the above post from "Dai Doan Ket"(DDK), you can see a very different perspective of freedom from yours. DDK told me Vietnam sure has freedom as other nations, his reason: If not, why Vietnam are accepted to join the UN?
There are many systems or government in this world that teach people accepting their fate without any thinking. All of these systems force their people just becoming a parrot- talking without thinking or they want their people becoming slave- working to survive without future or hope of reaching a better life.

Thank you for your thoughts, PCT.

Phan Chu Trinh wrote:

Freedom is universal as we all know it. So long human beings take a breath of air and able to think then freedom is a universal value wherever humanity exists. It is other people who take other people's freedom away. Such has been the case for humanity. But the aspiration to live without fear, to live without servitude to others, to live a normal life with full equality with others are basic components of life.
To me the most fundamental principle of freedom is the freedom from fear!
No one should have to live in fear of the authority. No one should have to live in fear of not being able to worship his religious beliefs. No one should have to live in fear that his words and thoughts will bring harm to his health and well being.
The limit of freedom is that a person is wholly free to do anything he pleases so long as that person does not infringe on another person's right to live a full life.
VC sympathizers cannot even see that the very freedom that is provided by a civilized culture in America which they enjoy without fear or repercussion is the very freedom that is lacking in VC society. How can a person respect anyone who partake in the rights and privileges provided by a principled people while at the very same time deny it for others? Such people are only interested in their own freedom and not the basic freedom that should be accorded to all of humanity without restrictions.

Yes Sir! no one in VN lives in fear of authority except criminal who are covered up with religious. There are many churches and temples in VN. Millions of VNmese are freed to practice their religion. If only a very few people who claim no freedom to practice religion does not mean the whole population is in the same situation. The world see that and that's why VN is now fully join the world with more and more FDI flows into VN. For all that, are you accuse the world of turning the blind eye on VN? Give me a break! you are just one of the insane.

Stateless wrote:

Democracy vs. Freedom
by Jarret Wollstein
http://images.google.com/imgres...
Neither Democracy nor Freedom is UNIVERSAL.
Neither can be EXPORTED nor IMPORTED.
Nothing MANMADE IS ONE SIZE FIT ALL.
New Hampshire is the only state known to "Live Free or Die".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die

Mr. Stateless
Welcome back. I guess you have a good time with your families in our tradition of Tet celebration.
I would ask to learn from your own perspective about freedom rather reading too many sources from internet.

Sometimes a simple story or experience from a friend makes me think or change my judgement about some aspect of my life.
Tell me why you think freedom is not universal value? you think it is man made or made in America, so it cannot be export nor import or one size fit all?

Lac Long Tu wrote:

Freedom means not being controlled by anything. Even God give us freedom to live the way we like. Vietnam doesn't have freedom because everything is controlled by Communist party. Do Vietnamese people have a choice to vote any other party than Communist party? The answer is "No" because those stupid VCs want to control everything even the f..king DEAD idea. What is that?

Why do you want to vote when you have to hold your nose while you are voting?

Can anyone go to heaven to verify if THERE WERE NO CONTROL UP THERE?
Where on earth that is not controlled by ...?

Dai Doan Ket wrote:

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Yes Sir! no one in VN lives in fear of authority except criminal who are covered up with religious. There are many churches and temples in VN. Millions of VNmese are freed to practice their religion. If only a very few people who claim no freedom to practice religion does not mean the whole population is in the same situation. The world see that and that's why VN is now fully join the world with more and more FDI flows into VN. For all that, are you accuse the world of turning the blind eye on VN? Give me a break! you are just one of the insane.

Thank you for being the VC fool of the forum. Without you, then decent people of the world cannot make a contrast between people with scruples from the people who hopelessly ignore all the ugliness that Vietnam has become under the little VC.

Like I said before a civilized country like the US provides the basic universal freedom which you enjoy here and which you just participated in by voicing your own opinion. But such rights are absolutely non-existent in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. What makes your voice or opinions worth more than the people of Vietnam who have no such voice to say about their own government? Free speech is not a one way street where you can blabber all day long while never giving anyone else the courtesy or right to voice his view in return. Remember that no such thing exist in Vietnam. That's a fact!

Freedom House categorizes Vietnam as not free. If you can comprehend English then tell me what not free means according to Freedom House?

BTw, if you think all is perfect in Vietnam, please give up your privilege in this real free society of the US, and live the life of an ordinary Vietnamese if you got the guts to do so. If not then tell us why you would contradict yourself because I will take a word of a Vietnamese in Vietnam about the real living conditions in Vietnam over a VC leech who snuck his way in here living in America any day.

Lac Long Tu wrote:

Freedom means not being controlled by anything. Even God give us freedom to live the way we like. Vietnam doesn't have freedom because everything is controlled by Communist party. Do Vietnamese people have a choice to vote any other party than Communist party? The answer is "No" because those stupid VCs want to control everything even the f..king D
EAD idea. What is that?

I heard you.
Hahaha, when you said "Freedom means not being controlled by anything", I just wonder do we have the kind of that "absolute freedom" you mentioned in this world.

But, I do agree with you. Yes, we can have that absolute freedom. It's all in your thoughts. If you are able to think freely, you are enjoying freedom. No one can control you.

As long as you are conforming or obeying a system blindly without any ability to think, you are a slave to that system. Your freedom ends there!

Dai Doan Ket wrote:

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Viet Nam is a freedom country just like any other country in the world. If VN is not freedom, it wouldn't be allowed to joint the UN. Although, VN has a different political system with it's own way of governing the country. Ways that fit and right for the country according to it's history, culture and situation. Any country which has different political system than one American has does not mean it's not right or no Freedom. You sound like if anyone don't believe in God he/she must be evil.

If you said Vietnam is a nation as any other nations in this world, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But when you said Vietnam is a nation with freedom as any other free countries, I would ask you to tell me more what is the meaning of freedom you mentioned.
I never mention or compare Vietnam to America. Our country still have a long way to reach its glory time. I respect our country and our people but not our political system.
Can you also tell me what superior or difference in our political system compare to others? Is there a different type or definition of freedom in our current political system in Vietnam?

Stateless wrote:

Democracy vs. Freedom
by Jarret Wollstein
http://images.google.com/imgres...
Neither Democracy nor Freedom is UNIVERSAL.
Neither can be EXPORTED nor IMPORTED.
Nothing MANMADE IS ONE SIZE FIT ALL.
New Hampshire is the only state known to "Live Free or Die".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die

Do you believe in God?
Once a living being is created, the creator has instilled in him unalienable rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
Therefore freedom is given by God and not man made.

Pho Thuong Dan wrote:

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If you said Vietnam is a nation as any other nations in this world, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But when you said Vietnam is a nation with freedom as any other free countries, I would ask you to tell me more what is the meaning of freedom you mentioned.
I never mention or compare Vietnam to America. Our country still have a long way to reach its glory time. I respect our country and our people but not our political system.
Can you also tell me what superior or difference in our political system compare to others? Is there a different type or definition of freedom in our current political system in Vietnam?

In VN people are free to travel, free to do business, free to believe or disbelieve any religion, free to practice any religion, free to express their point of view as long as it's not distorted the truth, free to be educated, free to seek justice in court, Justice is blind and deaf as it is in America, free to seek their happiness, free to gather and party as long as it doesn't bother public, free to participate in government if one think he/she want to do good for people,etc.. Just like in America.
Are you going to condemn asian parents for not giving their children as much freedom and right as Western parents too?

Dai Doan Ket wrote:

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In VN people are free to travel, free to do business, free to believe or disbelieve any religion, free to practice any religion, free to express their point of view as long as it's not distorted the truth, free to be educated, free to seek justice in court, Justice is blind and deaf as it is in America, free to seek their happiness, free to gather and party as long as it doesn't bother public, free to participate in government if one think he/she want to do good for people,etc.. Just like in America.
Are you going to condemn asian parents for not giving their children as much freedom and right as Western parents too?

Do you know about "Ho khau"

Why it's not free ?, without ho khau, Nhandan can not do anythings

Are people free to vote for any other party besides the communist party? Are people free to go to any non-government controlled temple?

Phan Chu Trinh wrote:

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Thank you for being the VC fool of the forum. Without you, then decent people of the world cannot make a contrast between people with scruples from the people who hopelessly ignore all the ugliness that Vietnam has become under the little VC.
Like I said before a civilized country like the US provides the basic universal freedom which you enjoy here and which you just participated in by voicing your own opinion. But such rights are absolutely non-existent in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. What makes your voice or opinions worth more than the people of Vietnam who have no such voice to say about their own government? Free speech is not a one way street where you can blabber all day long while never giving anyone else the courtesy or right to voice his view in return. Remember that no such thing exist in Vietnam. That's a fact!
Freedom House categorizes Vietnam as not free. If you can comprehend English then tell me what not free means according to Freedom House?
BTw, if you think all is perfect in Vietnam, please give up your privilege in this real free society of the US, and live the life of an ordinary Vietnamese if you got the guts to do so. If not then tell us why you would contradict yourself because I will take a word of a Vietnamese in Vietnam about the real living conditions in Vietnam over a VC leech who snuck his way in here living in America any day.

Why any body would go to Freedom House for any record? According to them, no country on earth is freedom enough. They always have something to complain about. Since you are related to past Saigon regime, please let me see their freedom record by Freedom house or any non VNmese record. Don't make me pull it out from the US record. It's pretty ugly.

Hello Friends,

The facts that the VCP doesn't allow any other political party in Vietnam demonstrate the loudest the suppression of Freedom in Vietnam.

Having only Communist members to choose the same people then rotate them in different positions in the government is just a joke.

Putting people in jail just because they don't believe in the Communist party is another example of suppression of freedom. Forcing people to believe in a dictactorial regime which is way passed its time (we're not in the 18th Century anymore) is not only wrong, it's just plain stupid!

Hiding the news and truth from around the world from the Vietnamese people is yet another example.
News of the world flows freely in free countries.
Example: The news of our homeland being invaded by Communist China on Hoang Sa and Truong Sa weren't even mentioned in any of the hundreds newspapers run by the state.
The Vietnamese people only learned of the news via blogs and emails.
Now the VCP wants to ban and monitor even more closely those blogs and emails, fearing the spread of more news.

There are just too many things to enumerate as it comes to freedom in Vietnam... or the lack of...

Vietnam being admitted to the UN or its security council, doesn't mean anything... And as I can see most of the Vietnamese people especially those very same members of the Communist party, doesn't understand what that really is, they jsut keep mentioning Vietnam just got accepted in the UN(LMAO).
China, and Russia are also members to the UN and Council. Does that mean their people are free? Absolutely not!
The UN was not created to accept only free countries or democracies, it was created as a medium to mend the differences between nations.

If there were real freedom in Viet Nam, the current government would be voted down and out, and a new system would rise above it.
That's what the VCP is afraid of, and that's why the VCP won't allow any of it.

Dai Doan Ket wrote:

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In VN people are free to travel, free to do business...

dude,
You've just talked out of your b*tt!!! Do you mean free to travel without reporting? What a joke that is! Everywhere you go, you got to register, I dare you travel without a proper ID (CMND) or passport. Where do you stay, huh? If you do not register, you're subjected to ARREST, son!!!
Free to do business!!! Earth to Dai Doan Ket, get back to reality son, you really don't know what you're talking about... Do you know how many hoops that you got to jump and how many briberies you got to serve in order to open a business??? Geez, you must be the VCP propaganda chief...