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#83
Aug 26, 2008
 
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Do you really think the Vietnamese wanted Ho to lead the country?
...Would they submit themselves to tyranny and death camps so they can enjoy the lives of a communist?

...No! They fled everywhere Communists appear.
...Because in the Communists' eyes, anyone who is educated was a traitor,
...anyone who had different ideas than theirs,
...anyone who had religion, land, some kind of assets, some kind of beliefs, who hold traditional values was a traitor to their cause, and therefore they must be dealt with with torture and death to the whole family, as an example for others.
...Please refer to the movie "Killing Fields" as an illustration of what was going on with Cambodie and Vietnam.
...It was never on the media because journalists were never allowed on the other side of the fence, weren't they?
...The only thing you could see is just what Americans and the South Vietnamese were oppressing to the poor farmers. And how Jane Fonda made herslef useful to the NVA.

So please explain to me where Ho was a nationalist and a liberator?

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Aug 26, 2008
 
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Thirty years after the fall of Saigon, Vietnam still struggles with poverty, corruption and Communism where the rest of the world around Vietnam has taken off.

...Thanks to Ho and his communists, all the intellectuals of the country are either in jail or fled out of the country, and 95% out of the 80M Vietnamese is in poverty and earn less than $500 per year.
...And you can vote and have some kind of freedon only if you were to join the Communist Party. The rest of the people won't be allowed to voice their fears and frustations.

What kind of freedom and democracy is that?

Zenom
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#85
Aug 26, 2008
 
zenom wrote:
--A book REVIEW ON Ho Chi Minh---
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Along with Duiker, Marr is one ingorrant of history in Vietnam in its people. Ho Chi Minh was a thief, murderer and cruel dictator as the world has seen in Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot and many others of the 20th century.
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Ho Chi Minh was never a nationalist, he worried about his own persona and legacy to Vietnam as much as the dictators of the world worried about their image.
...He was a communist because no regular government would have listened to his crazy mind using it as a mean to his end....Just like Hitler, he was nothing until some desperates listened to his so called charisma. When he lead the Communists in Vietnam, he was a much as fault for the 3 millions killed during the war.
...He, himself ordered executions of countless civilians as they refused to follow him.
...He forced thousands of Vietnamese to labor and camps in the North. From the North through the South of Vietnam, people were scared of the Communists, that's why the exodus of millions to the South in 1954 when the country was divided.
...And again in 1975, millions more left the country because the communists took over the rest of the country.
Zenom
if U don't know Hu U R by look in the mirror !! hope U search your countree no matter where U R come !! U just la` 1 con nguoi` nho? be' ma` tho^i

take care ! if U wanna bedate thi` good luck ..

My chim will depart soon !!!

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#86
Aug 26, 2008
 
I talked with my landlord who had lived under commies from 1954-1982 in Ha Loi.
His father had some kids come to the home and had a meal.
His father told the youngsters when he showed the bowl of water " Do you like want to drink pool (Ho) water or corn (Ngo^) water?"
Of course corn water is cleaner and more nutritous...after that the father was jailed in labor camp for couple years and tortured there...
His father was an interpreter for the Canadian team before 1954...
(He implied that living under Ngo Dinh Diem. is much better than under Ho Cho Ming)
Yes, Ho Cho Minh brought more terrors/no freedom, we can say worse than living under the French colonialism!
zenom wrote:
--A book REVIEW ON Ho Chi Minh---
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Along with Duiker, Marr is one ingorrant of history in Vietnam in its people. Ho Chi Minh was a thief, murderer and cruel dictator as the world has seen in Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot and many others of the 20th century.
...
Ho Chi Minh was never a nationalist, he worried about his own persona and legacy to Vietnam as much as the dictators of the world worried about their image.
...He was a communist because no regular government would have listened to his crazy mind using it as a mean to his end....Just like Hitler, he was nothing until some desperates listened to his so called charisma. When he lead the Communists in Vietnam, he was a much as fault for the 3 millions killed during the war.
...He, himself ordered executions of countless civilians as they refused to follow him.
...He forced thousands of Vietnamese to labor and camps in the North. From the North through the South of Vietnam, people were scared of the Communists, that's why the exodus of millions to the South in 1954 when the country was divided.
...And again in 1975, millions more left the country because the communists took over the rest of the country.
Zenom
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#87
Aug 26, 2008
 
Thank you Zenom for your great posts. I learned a lot. I can see the descendants of Bac Ho have managed to follow us into freedom too but their lies and deceits are still the same. When they are out in the open of the free society, there lying days are useless.

I will never trust these people in a million years. I didn't live through the war years or under VC Vietnam but I know better than most the breed of the VC are the same no matter what year it is. There is no room for compromise with VC.

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#88
Aug 26, 2008
 
Tho* cua? van no^ To' Hu*u? goi? thang` khon' nan. Ho Cho Minh, tuy nhien bai` nay cung~ goi? tang. cho thang` khon' nan. Viet Cong. dien co' rat' nhieu` ten^ an cap' ke? ca? ten VIET CONG. NUP' DUOI' QUAN` CO' KINH CUA? DAN` BA`.
Nen nho*' mot khi yeu Bac' Ho` qua' mu*c' thi` ko co' gi` la` luong tri hay suy luan. gi` het'

Bac' da~ len duong` theo to^? tie^n
Mac'- Lenin, the^ gioi' Nguoi` die^n
Mau' nhan^ dan^ do? them^ song nui'
Dat' chung' con bo? xac' cho ken^ ken^

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Nen nho*' to? tien cua? Viet Cong. la Mac' va Lenin theo bon. dang? vien VC. Khong tin thi` hoi? thang` khon' nan. o? Long Beach la biet' ngay.
PBC wrote:
Thank you Zenom for your great posts. I learned a lot. I can see the descendants of Bac Ho have managed to follow us into freedom too but their lies and deceits are still the same. When they are out in the open of the free society, there lying days are useless.
I will never trust these people in a million years. I didn't live through the war years or under VC Vietnam but I know better than most the breed of the VC are the same no matter what year it is. There is no room for compromise with VC.

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#90
Aug 27, 2008
 
Tai` lieu. dang' tin cay. cho biet' che' do. Ho cho' Ma' da~ am' sat', thu? tieu, tra tan' roi giet' chet' tu` 700 ngan den' 1 trieu dan lanh` vo toi. Di~ nhien tham sat' Mau Than, Cai cach' ruong dat', chinh' sach' bo? do'i chen` ep'...la mot vai thu*' noi? bat.
Rieng che' do. CS khap' the' gioi' da~ giet' 100 trieu...da so' la do ong thay` Lenin va Stalin cua? thang Ho` gay ra!
The introduction, by editor Stéphane Courtois, states that that "...Communist regimes...turned mass crime into a full-blown system of government". Using unofficial estimates he cites a death toll which totals 94 million, not counting the "excess deaths" (decrease of the population due to lower than the expected birth rate). The breakdown of the number of deaths given by Courtois is as follows:

20 million in the Soviet Union
65 million in the People's Republic of China
1 million in Vietnam
2 million in North Korea
2 million in Cambodia
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
150,000 in Latin America
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international communist movement and communist parties not in power."(p. 4)
PBC wrote:
Thank you Zenom for your great posts. I learned a lot. I can see the descendants of Bac Ho have managed to follow us into freedom too but their lies and deceits are still the same. When they are out in the open of the free society, there lying days are useless.
I will never trust these people in a million years. I didn't live through the war years or under VC Vietnam but I know better than most the breed of the VC are the same no matter what year it is. There is no room for compromise with VC.
Viet Kieu

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#91
Aug 27, 2008
 
VK have more Mercedes, more Lexus, more BMW and more plastic surgery but no sign of good "dan tri".

Where are Pho Thuong Dan, Phiengung, PBC phonies and the likes?

http://www.nguoi-viet.com/absolutenm/anmviewe...
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php...
http://www.katu.com/news/12212811.html
http://www.kptv.com/news/14803363/detail.html...

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#92
Aug 27, 2008
 
Viet cong like you have no integrity, no brain, no self-esteem but long tounge to lick ass comrades and Chincoms
Viet Kieu wrote:
VK have more Mercedes, more Lexus, more BMW and more plastic surgery but no sign of good "dan tri".
Where are Pho Thuong Dan, Phiengung, PBC phonies and the likes?
http://www.nguoi-viet.com/absolutenm/anmviewe...
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php...
http://www.katu.com/news/12212811.html
http://www.kptv.com/news/14803363/detail.html...
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