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Venezuela poised to nationalize fuel distribution

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#111
Aug 28, 2008
 
"cybergrace"
It is always a pleasure to read a post from an economic genius.
Nationalize? It is a very slippery slope. Whats next? You really do not to stop with the oil industry do you? How about:
* Medicine? Lets have all doctors fees, all diagnostic procedures, all operations have rates set by the government. All medical professionals be paid at a standard rate depending on their expertise. Maybe capped at $100,000 per year no matter their education or skill.
* Law? Lets make them government employees and again cap their income. While we are at it and all the doctors are government employees lets cap the "ridiculous" sums patients are given by juries when in the very rare instances doctors err. Another plus from this, health insurance not required, malpractice insurance, not required.
* Food? Why not? Lets get a gallon of milk down to $1.99 a gallon, ground beef to $0.99 per pound, bread $0.49 per loaf. To start with lets nationalize Wal-Mart and all other grocery chains with 10 or more units. To make this work we will have to nationalize the food producers to control the wholesale prices.
* Clothing? Lets cap the prices for every day necessities; blue jeans $5.00, flannel shirts,$5.00, socks $0.59 a pair, gym shoes $5.00 a pair. Gee, I can hardly wait.
This nationalization will lead to additional problems. All those corporate bigwigs, doctors, lawyers earning those obscene incomes and the huge corporations with their large taxable incomes will no longer be footing the bill. Who will? Everyone will have to chip in to make up the shortfall.
I can hardly wait.
Peace
Jim C

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#113
Aug 28, 2008
 
Jones wrote:
Evidently, Venezuela wants the US oil ..
This is one of the most outrageous postings that I have read.
The reason that oil is so high is because the three oil companies decided to make it high. Nationalizing the oil industry will allow countries to share the benefits with the nation citizens in democracies but for totalitarian regimes be no different than the big three do today.
Jim C

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#114
Aug 28, 2008
 
Mythos wrote:
They can only nationalize things. When did a group of corrupt people get together with zero money, zero resources, and zero expertise in anything but legalities and the ancient game of politics ever build anything? Create any wealth? Parasites.
Money is trading cards, corruptness in industry usually leads to government takeovers. If they ran it fair, they would not be susceptible to the need to corralling of industries. Once an industry is monopolized it fails to be a competitive venture and then is the parasitic entity which you are so displeases you. The only trouble the parasites are running the oil industry in a monopolized environment. This is where nationalizing industries come to play to save societies and eliminate corruption.
Jim C

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#115
Aug 28, 2008
 
Mythos wrote:
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Nationalization is a monopoly. An unbeatable, unbreakable, impossible monopoly.
Litesong is right. People are responsible for this, but in more ways then just not conserving.
People have been voting this government larger and larger as the years go by and here you are saying it should get even bigger, with more power.
Only the government can have a monopoly, specifically, only guns and prisons can make a monopoly. Exxon is only one of the Oil companies, there are others. Exxon has no monopoly.
BUT, surely some informed person here can touch on the possibility of government-in-bed-with-busines s INHIBITING other means of energy development and production. THAT would be a monopoly, and ONLY big government can achieve such a thing.
Here is the interesting thing. THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY NATIONALIZED RESOURCES IN THIS COUNTRY. It's called "federally protected" land.
People who claim to want freedom from foreign oil and also want cheaper gas prices while alternative means are developed claim they want access to those monopolized (nationalized)lands. The monopolists make their own claims.
The matter is complex. Look at how the government, the one you want empowered even more, has responded to dependency. They are in other countries fighting wars, creating massive political conflict here, while their nationalization of resources keeps production at a halt here.
Maybe this is more government/business corruption. The more Exxon profits the more the government does.
Again, resources have been nationalized. Enjoying it? Don't you find it more than a coincidence that the government's involvement in the price of fuel has you saying you want to give them more power, and now the means to nationalize production and distribution too?
Great posting which I agree with a lot of the points. It is not my aim to promote nationalized industry. I do believe that when prices are set to gouging it is apparent that industry is pilfering.
In a democratic society where officials are representative of their constituents, a nationalized entity can be monitored by the nations citizens.
Regarding government workers being socialistic, I do not think that NASA or the Post Office are socialistic job environments. A nation should protect their interest in their parks, forests and wildernesses.
The speculators raise prices on what if a disaster happens in the gulf. Sure put more possible sources of contamination our gulf streams, food supplies in fishing.
Also pollute our groundwaters by sloppy shortcutting by monopolies and cartels in the oil industries.
Not to mention the comments from the Shah of Iran claiming the oil companies put pressure on him to raise prices for crude. This probably set off the whole domino effect that we are observing now.
Jim C

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#116
Aug 28, 2008
 
Mythos wrote:
Just to sum up my response to Jim, and with no offense intended.
The government has monopolized the resources in the United States.
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I really like to see our forest areas and the wilderness lands. I have heard that a great deal of sources for oil were already found in unprotected lands. It is said that two out of three wells are capped and not put into our supply. We ought to get this 200 percent supply level online thus cutting the need for foreign oil. Do that before endangering our groundwater, coastlines, wilderness areas and unique species who dwell there.
Quit paying landowners with known wells for not producing oil.
Hopefully the oil companies will back off before we need to result in nationalizing the industry worldwide. We could go back to 20 to 30 dollar a barrel oil with no problem.
Of course we as a nation still need to find alternative sources of energy generation and not waste resources by using inefficient means of transportation like the gas guzzlers we all know use a lot of energy needlessly.
Jim C

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#117
Aug 28, 2008
 
hillbilly wrote:
<quoted text>you are correct about capped wells,,from 1977 -1979 i worked for a company which removed horse heads and capped wells...we capped several hundred,,,the public dont know,,,that the government pays them wells to stay capped,,,but bringing this oil online would not help,,without government reg,,because this oil would go on world market,,,Americans are so dumb,,today china is taking your coal,,but Americans don't even know this,,,,wait until you get your electric bill,,by the first of the year,,your bill will sore,,,bush the oil man,,,is also big in mining and steel,,
I dread to see the electricity bill increases. Thanks for adding credibility to what I heard regarding oil wells and paying people not to produce.
So now that Bush and collaborators moved steel out from here, they can command prices as if it actually sustained a worker for their hard and dedicated work.
It is obvious that their whole ideals are best served with slave labor and monopolies. Forget having the masses of the country with many voices and opinions get in the way of their greed.
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#118
Aug 28, 2008
 
Here is the official footage from cnn

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
pete

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#119
Aug 28, 2008
 
chavez is going to control cuba and all of its sourrounding countrys, he still has more brains then anyone in our whole government,and our fearless president turned downdiscount oil from chavez that might have been a step in our favor !thats why bush turned it down

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#120
Aug 28, 2008
 
dvd_abad wrote:
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Bro do you really think that with you lying and whining here anything is gonna change in Venezuela, shut up already or do something about it. You remind me of the Cuban here in Miami crying about Castro for 50 years, and thats is why i don't reply to your stupid posts based on Globovision. Remember i'm Venezuelan, you can lie to them but not to me.
As far as I am concerned, you can continue to fondle yourself and have wet dreams when thinking about Chavez. That is your problem. My answers to your posts are not intended to convince you. They do, however, want to present a different point of view to other people that may believe your deluded notion that Venezuela is currently a paradise under a benevolent and democratic leader.

I don't believe for a second that you don't answer any of my arguments because the reasons you have expressed. Instead, I think that you can't actually show that they are lies as you say. Show me I am wrong, show me that indeed I am lying. I dare you.
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pete wrote:
chavez is going to control cuba and all of its sourrounding countrys, he still has more brains then anyone in our whole government,and our fearless president turned downdiscount oil from chavez that might have been a step in our favor !thats why bush turned it down
Bush turned down the oil because it was being used for propaganda purposes. Hugo's going to make Venezuela another Zimbabwe because he's following Mugabe's footsteps. This is a good thing for the United States. It will teach Venesuela and all of South American an important lesson about the flaws of their socialist thinking.
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