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Following is a list of attacks that have been attributed to Irgun that took place during the 1930s. April 20, 1936 2 Arab workers in a banana plantation killed March, 1937 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach. April 12, 1938 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. April 17, 1938 An Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa May 17, 1938 An Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. May 24, 1938 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. June 23, 1938 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. June 26, 1938 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. June 27, 1938 An Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. July 5, 1938 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. On the same day an Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. July 6 1938 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab Melon market in Haifa. July 8, 1938 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. July 16, 1938 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. July 25, 1938 53 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. August 26, 1938 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. February 27, 1939 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. May 29, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. On the same day 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. June 2, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. June 12, 1939 A post office in Jerusalem was bombed, killing a British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs. June 16, 1939 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. June 19, 1939 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. June 29, 1939 13 Arabs were killed in multiple shootings during one-hour period. June 30, 1939 An Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. On the same day 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. July 3, 1939 An Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. July 4, 1939 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. July 20, 1939 An Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. On the same day 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. August 27, 1939 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem.
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These tactics were described by Josephus as beginning in the CE 50s: … a different type of bandits sprang up in Jersualem, the so-called sicarii, who murdered men in broad daylight in the heart of the city. Especially during the festivals they would mingle with the crowd, carrying short daggers concealed under their clothing, with which they stabbed their enemies. Then when they fell, the murderers would join in the cries of indignation and, through this plausible behavior, avoided discovery.(Quoted in Richard A. Horsley, "The Sicarii: Ancient Jewish "Terrorists," The Journal of Religion, October 1979.) The Sicarii operated primarily in the urban environment of Jerusalem, including within the Temple. However, they also committed attacks in villages, which they also raided for plunder and set on fire in order to create fear among Jews who acquiesced or collaborated with Roman rule. They also kidnapped notables or others as leverage for the release of their own members held prisoner. http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p...
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pjam2825 wrote: Following is a list of attacks that have been attributed to Irgun that took place during the 1930s.. Good posts. Are you trying to make us Topix contributors think??:-) http://www.friendsofaljazeera.org/node/230 From: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~springbk/enemy.htm... “The crimes committed by the ANC in the name of liberation are legion. First, there was the practice of "necklacing," in which a petrol-filled tyre is placed around the neck of a victim and set ablaze - an action carried out by Winnie Mandela and her minions. Another horror was the "Church Street Massacre," in which Nelson Mandela approved of a bomb set to explode at rush hour to maximize casualties of Afrikaner women, children and babies. The same Mandela who told the Black youth of South Africa to "burn down" their schools has produced a lawless, unemployable generation. Mandela recently travelled to Libya and presented Gaddafi with South Africa's highest military medal.” The above illustrates the problem of terrorism summed up by the expression “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”. I think we need to be aware of the downsides of nationalism and religion. Nationalism was largely inculcated in western populations during the Napoleonic wars. Ever since then, but often before then, it has been a means of motivating people to hate and kill the wicked ‘them’. Even now, people still see patriotism as an inherently good thing. It is not. It is like money in that it can be used for good or evil. Or maybe more like good intentions like those on the US political right who see salvation in either the spread of what they would term democratic government, or even in the rather absurd notion that Christianity can save mankind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin#I... Meetings across cultures and nations have failed to agree on a clear definition of ‘terrorism’. We feel we know it when we see it. It appears to me that Mr Mandela, Mr Begin and Mr Bush have killed many people out of what they saw as a righteous cause or with good intentions. We need to recognise what it is that divides those who do not accept the terrorist’s way from those of the terrorist. We need to understand why we are nationalistic or patriotic and the danger such concepts pose, as opposed to simply taking a pride in one’s homeland by working hard and practicing tolerance and moderation as well as strength of purpose. We need to recognise religious beliefs for what they are - superstition. No god would favour people according to their religion any more than the colour of their skin. If he/she does, why worship it? Why does it want to be worshipped? We should not judge someone at all by their religious beliefs or religion. Ideology, religion and nationalism are the three main causes of human conflict. Try organising it without them! Without them, there are only the violent and the non-violent. There is nowhere in united world for the terrorist to hide.
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Jim wrote: <quoted text> Good posts. Are you trying to make us Topix contributors think??:-) http://www.friendsofaljazeera.org/node/230 From: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~springbk/enemy.htm... “The crimes committed by the ANC in the name of liberation are legion. First, there was the practice of "necklacing," in which a petrol-filled tyre is placed around the neck of a victim and set ablaze - an action carried out by Winnie Mandela and her minions. Another horror was the "Church Street Massacre," in which Nelson Mandela approved of a bomb set to explode at rush hour to maximize casualties of Afrikaner women, children and babies. The same Mandela who told the Black youth of South Africa to "burn down" their schools has produced a lawless, unemployable generation. Mandela recently travelled to Libya and presented Gaddafi with South Africa's highest military medal.” The above illustrates the problem of terrorism summed up by the expression “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”. I think we need to be aware of the downsides of nationalism and religion. Nationalism was largely inculcated in western populations during the Napoleonic wars. Ever since then, but often before then, it has been a means of motivating people to hate and kill the wicked ‘them’. Even now, people still see patriotism as an inherently good thing. It is not. It is like money in that it can be used for good or evil. Or maybe more like good intentions like those on the US political right who see salvation in either the spread of what they would term democratic government, or even in the rather absurd notion that Christianity can save mankind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin#I... Meetings across cultures and nations have failed to agree on a clear definition of ‘terrorism’. We feel we know it when we see it. It appears to me that Mr Mandela, Mr Begin and Mr Bush have killed many people out of what they saw as a righteous cause or with good intentions. We need to recognise what it is that divides those who do not accept the terrorist’s way from those of the terrorist. We need to understand why we are nationalistic or patriotic and the danger such concepts pose, as opposed to simply taking a pride in one’s homeland by working hard and practicing tolerance and moderation as well as strength of purpose. We need to recognise religious beliefs for what they are - superstition. No god would favour people according to their religion any more than the colour of their skin. If he/she does, why worship it? Why does it want to be worshipped? We should not judge someone at all by their religious beliefs or religion. Ideology, religion and nationalism are the three main causes of human conflict. Try organising it without them! Without them, there are only the violent and the non-violent. There is nowhere in united world for the terrorist to hide. I agree with what you are saying but a paradox is razed. How can we except (not judge) Ideologies or religions that have a negative effect on society? Ideologies that divide and misdirect society. If nationalists or those that believe in space aliens could go about there existence not effecting others in a negative way things would work your way. There are some that no amount of reason or logic will sway, What do we do with these inferior thinkers? The only option is to weed inferior thinkers out with a strong ethical and moral charter. We must stop the inferior thinkers from holding positions of power and imposing ideologies of division.
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pjam2825 wrote: <quoted text> I agree with what you are saying but a paradox is razed... I think you mean 'raised'.:-) Firstly, there is no “my way” or “your way”.(Consider basic rules of debate). I suggest that the concepts of ideology, nationalism, patriotism and religion can be used for good or evil. We need to understand when and why they help and why they can be evil. I see no paradox. One does not except ideologies or religions but need to understand the dangers inherent in the concepts of ideology, religion nationalism and patriotism. Like everything in life it is a question of degree. If I say I am Jewish (for example) and wish to follow the Torah as if it was the word of god, that is not an issue. The issue begins when my faith interferes with the rights of others. If I say I have a right to be in Jerusalem because I am Jewish, I go too far. The same as being Muslim gives me no right in and of itself to live in Mecca. Jews may have a right to live in Jerusalem because they were born there because that is reasonable. It is when religion and nationalism cause us to see people as divided from us that there is the potential for conflict and evil. One cannot hold the son responsible for the sins of the father.(One can but it never helps). Consider two boys trying to kill each other in Palestine-Israel. One is brought up a good Palestinian Muslim, the other a good Yiddisher Israeli. If they were swapped at birth, they would fight just the same. Only the side each was on would change. How silly is that? Do we not wish to concentrate on our real problems like poverty and economic stability? The conflict in the Middle East is fuelled to a large extent by the issue of Israel and its security and firm establishment versus its right to exist. There is no reason why Jews, Christians, Muslims and everyone else cannot share Jerusalem (and Mecca). The problem is that the politics of the region are based on religious and nationalist traditions. Devalue those specific traditions and there are just people there. They can remain Jewish and Muslim if they wish, but must consider that it may never be possible to be of different religions or nations and live in peace. One nation or religion cannot own a city or area of land to the exclusion of others without considerable potential for conflict. There are too many lines on the maps. Quote Pjam:“We must stop the inferior thinkers from holding positions of power and imposing ideologies of division.” What sprang to my mind there was the antipathy of many US voters to the more intellectually gifted. This seems to be due to a lack of understanding of two concepts too.“Intellectual” tends to be mistranslated by many USAmericans in particular as meaning “academic and impractical”. Similarly,“liberal” is misused as meaning “extreme left wing”. I think USAmericans are often misunderstood because liberal and intellectual are insults there, but compliments in the rest of the world. True? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lib... http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/int...
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pjam2825 wrote: Following is a list of attacks that have been attributed to Irgun that took place during the 1930s. April 20, 1936 2 Arab workers in a banana plantation killed March, 1937 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach. April 12, 1938 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. April 17, 1938 An Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa May 17, 1938 An Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. May 24, 1938 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. June 23, 1938 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. June 26, 1938 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. June 27, 1938 An Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. July 5, 1938 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. On the same day an Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. July 6 1938 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab Melon market in Haifa. July 8, 1938 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. July 16, 1938 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. July 25, 1938 53 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. August 26, 1938 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. February 27, 1939 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. May 29, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. On the same day 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. June 2, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. June 12, 1939 A post office in Jerusalem was bombed, killing a British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs. June 16, 1939 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. June 19, 1939 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. June 29, 1939 13 Arabs were killed in multiple shootings during one-hour period. June 30, 1939 An Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. On the same day 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. July 3, 1939 An Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. July 4, 1939 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. July 20, 1939 An Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. On the same day 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. August 27, 1939 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem. Imagine that! Emerging from the flames holocaust and having to fight for survival and the right to exist. Shame on you. Why don't you scrutinize some of the terror attacks committed by arabs on arabs. You are a propagandist and hypocrite spreading misinformation and hatred.
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pjam2825 wrote: Following is a list of attacks that have been attr List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#...
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Mass Executions of 88 in Iran By Jahanshah Rashidian, political analyst and campainer Published Monday, July 14, 2008 http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/article...
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pjam2825 wrote: Following is a list of attacks that have been attributed to Irgun that took place during the 1930s. April 20, 1936 2 Arab workers in a banana plantation killed March, 1937 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach. April 12, 1938 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. April 17, 1938 An Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa May 17, 1938 An Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. May 24, 1938 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. June 23, 1938 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. June 26, 1938 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. June 27, 1938 An Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. July 5, 1938 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. On the same day an Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. July 6 1938 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab Melon market in Haifa. July 8, 1938 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. July 16, 1938 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. July 25, 1938 53 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. August 26, 1938 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. February 27, 1939 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. May 29, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. On the same day 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. June 2, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. June 12, 1939 A post office in Jerusalem was bombed, killing a British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs. June 16, 1939 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. June 19, 1939 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. June 29, 1939 13 Arabs were killed in multiple shootings during one-hour period. June 30, 1939 An Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. On the same day 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. July 3, 1939 An Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. July 4, 1939 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. July 20, 1939 An Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. On the same day 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. August 27, 1939 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem. You know what I love? The fact that you label these as the "first terrorist attacks". You forgot to mention this was during the "great uprising" when the arabs revolted against the british and Jews. Nice try trying to distort the facts though. The Jews and the british joined forces to suppress the revolt. Nice try. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%93193... The truth should be known.
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pjam2825 wrote: Following is a list of attacks that have been attributed to Irgun that took place during the 1930s. April 20, 1936 2 Arab workers in a banana plantation killed March, 1937 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach. April 12, 1938 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. April 17, 1938 An Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa May 17, 1938 An Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. May 24, 1938 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. June 23, 1938 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. June 26, 1938 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. June 27, 1938 An Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. July 5, 1938 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. On the same day an Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. July 6 1938 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab Melon market in Haifa. July 8, 1938 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. July 16, 1938 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. July 25, 1938 53 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. August 26, 1938 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. February 27, 1939 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. May 29, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. On the same day 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. June 2, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. June 12, 1939 A post office in Jerusalem was bombed, killing a British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs. June 16, 1939 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. June 19, 1939 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. June 29, 1939 13 Arabs were killed in multiple shootings during one-hour period. June 30, 1939 An Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. On the same day 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. July 3, 1939 An Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. July 4, 1939 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. July 20, 1939 An Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. On the same day 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. August 27, 1939 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem. And of course I have proof of arabs murdering Jews long before you're little distortion of the truth. One second.
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The first Arab riots of the Mandate period took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover, in March 1920 ("Bloody Passover"). They were instigated by Arabs acting on unfounded rumors of Jewish actions against Arabs. The British military authorities did not intervene in the Arab attacks, while Vladimir Jabotinsky and other Jews were arrested for organizing a self-defense league. In April 1920, Joseph Trumpeldor and others were killed in the defense of Tel Hai, a settlement in the Upper Galilee. These developments led to the founding of the Haganah on June 15, 1920.
Haj Amin al-Husseini emerged as one of the leaders of the 1920 Arab riots in Palestine and incited the masses to murder Jews and loot their homes. While only in his late twenties, he became the youngest ever Mufti of Jerusalem in 1921, supported by the British.
May 1921 brought new violence in Jaffa followed by large-scale attacks on Rehovot, Petah Tikva, and other Jewish areas. The death toll among the Jews was 47 with 140 wounded. Yosef Hayyim Brenner, the distinguished socialist pioneer and author, was among those murdered. Arab casualties of 48 killed and 73 wounded were almost entirely due to British military action. The main lesson was the power of the Arab masses and the relative ineffectiveness of the Jewish defense.
Sir Herbert Samuel, The High Commissioner, yielded to the demonstration of power: he ordered a temporary halt to Jewish immigration and began negotiations with the Arab Executive Committee. The outcome of these negotiations was the June 1922 White Paper issued by Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill.
The riots were investigated by the Haycraft Commission, who said in their summary report:
* The racial strife was begun by the Arabs, and rapidly developed into a conflict of great violence between Arabs and Jews, in which the Arab majority, who were generally the aggressors, inflicted most of the casualties.
But then the Commission rationalized the cause of the attack, in a pattern that is still seen in the 21st Century:
* The fundamental cause of the riots was a feeling among the Arabs of discontent with, and hostility to, the Jews, due to political and economic causes, and connected with Jewish immigration, and with their conception of Zionist policy as derived from Jewish exponents.
This pattern repeated itself over the decades: Arab riots with Jewish casualties, British official inquiry, followed by appeasement of the Arabs.
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From 1922 through 1928 the relationship between Jews and Arabs in Palestine was relatively peaceful. However, in late 1928 a new phase of violence began with minor disputes between Jews and Arabs about the right of Jews to pray at the Western Wall (Kotel) in Jerusalem. These arguments led to an outbreak of Arab violence in August 1929 when Haj Amin al-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem, fomented Arab hatred by accusing the Jews of endangering the mosques and other sites holy to Islam. Observers heard Husseini issue the call: Itback al-Yahud "Slaughter the Jews!"
On August 22, 1929 the leaders of the Yishuv met with the British Deputy High Commissioner to alert him of their fears of a large Arab riot. The British officials assured them that the government was in control of the situation. The following day the Riots of 1929 erupted throughout the Palestine Mandate, lasting for seven days.
On Friday, August 23, Arab mobs attacked Jews in Jerusalem, Motza, Hebron, Safed, Jaffa, and other parts of the country. The Old City of Jerusalem was hit particularly hard. By the next day, the Haganah was able to mount a defense and further attacks in Jerusalem were repulsed. But, the violence in Jerusalem generated rumors throughout the country, many carrying fabricated accounts of Jewish attempts to defile Muslim holy places, all to inflame the Arab residents. Villages were plundered and destroyed by Arab mobs. While attacks on Jews in Tel Aviv and Haifa were thwarted by Jewish defenses, there were Jewish deaths in Hebron, where 67 Jewish men and women were slaughtered and Safed, where 18 Jews were killed, as well as scattered other losses totaling 133 Jewish deaths, with more than 300 wounded.
The Arab violence in Hebron was one of the worst atrocities in the modern history of Israel. On the afternoon of Friday, August 23, 1929 Jerusalem Arabs came to Hebron with false reports of Jews murdering Arabs during the rioting there, even saying thousands of Arabs had been killed. Despite the fact that Jews and Arabs in Hebron had been on good terms, a mass of frenzied Arab rioters formed and proceeded to the Hebron Yeshiva where a lone student was murdered. The next day, the Jewish Sabbath, the killing continued as an Arab mob of hundreds surrounded homes where Jews sought refuge, broke in and murdered scores of Jews in a bloody rampage.
The dead Jews that day included Eliezer Dan Slonim, a man highly esteemed by the Arabs. He was the director of the local English-Palestine bank whose many clients were Arabs, and was the sole Jewish member of the Hebron Municipal Council. He had many friends among the Arab elders, who had promised to protect him. Twenty-two people died in Slonim's house that day including his wife and two young children.
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In April 1936, riots broke out in Jaffa commencing a three-year period of violence and civil strife in Palestine that is known as the Arab Revolt. The Arab Higher Committee, headed by the Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, led the campaign of terrorism against Jewish and British targets. The Arabs began by proclaiming an Arab general strike and boycott of Jewish enterprises and products. They made demands on the British Mandate administration, principally: * An end to Jewish immigration * An end to transfers of land to Jewish owners * A new "general representative government" The strike quickly led to a campaign of terror against Jewish people and lands. Seventeen Jews were killed the first day, with little action by the British to stop the rioters. Sparked by the Mufti's agitators, armed bands of Arab terrorists attacked Jewish villages and vehicles, as well as British Army and police forces. By August 1936, responding more to attacks on British assets than to the Jewish losses, the British began a military crack-down on the Arab terrorists. The Arab strike ended in October 1936 and a temporary peace between Arabs and Jews prevailed for almost a year. Then, in September 1937, following the July report by the Peel Commission, the violent tactics resumed. Armed Arab terrorism, under the direction of the Higher Committee, was used to attack the Jews and to suppress Arab opponents. This campaign of violence continued through 1938 and then tapered off, ending in early 1939. The toll was terrible: Eighty Jews were murdered by terrorist acts during the labor strike, and a total of 415 Jewish deaths were recorded during the whole 1936-1939 Arab Revolt period. What was the result? The British military suppressed the Arab terrorists, but the British government in effect rewarded them with the publication of the 1939 White Paper, a pro-Arab policy statement that effectively ended the British committment to the purpose of the Palestine Mandate. http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_riot... http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_riot... http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_riot...
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pjam2825 wrote: Following is a list of attacks that have been attributed to Irgun that took place during the 1930s. April 20, 1936 2 Arab workers in a banana plantation killed March, 1937 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach. April 12, 1938 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. April 17, 1938 An Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa May 17, 1938 An Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. May 24, 1938 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. June 23, 1938 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. June 26, 1938 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. June 27, 1938 An Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. July 5, 1938 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. On the same day an Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. July 6 1938 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab Melon market in Haifa. July 8, 1938 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. July 16, 1938 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. July 25, 1938 53 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. August 26, 1938 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. February 27, 1939 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. May 29, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. On the same day 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. June 2, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. June 12, 1939 A post office in Jerusalem was bombed, killing a British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs. June 16, 1939 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. June 19, 1939 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. June 29, 1939 13 Arabs were killed in multiple shootings during one-hour period. June 30, 1939 An Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. On the same day 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. July 3, 1939 An Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. July 4, 1939 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. July 20, 1939 An Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. On the same day 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. August 27, 1939 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem. Isn't it funny how the real truth I posted destroys the fake truth you want people to think is true?
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pjam2825 wrote: Following is a list of attacks that have been attributed to Irgun that took place during the 1930s. April 20, 1936 2 Arab workers in a banana plantation killed March, 1937 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach. April 12, 1938 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. April 17, 1938 An Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa May 17, 1938 An Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. May 24, 1938 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. June 23, 1938 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. June 26, 1938 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. June 27, 1938 An Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. July 5, 1938 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. On the same day an Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. July 6 1938 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab Melon market in Haifa. July 8, 1938 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. July 16, 1938 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. July 25, 1938 53 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. August 26, 1938 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. February 27, 1939 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. May 29, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. On the same day 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. June 2, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. June 12, 1939 A post office in Jerusalem was bombed, killing a British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs. June 16, 1939 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. June 19, 1939 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. June 29, 1939 13 Arabs were killed in multiple shootings during one-hour period. June 30, 1939 An Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. On the same day 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. July 3, 1939 An Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. July 4, 1939 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. July 20, 1939 An Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. On the same day 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv. On the same day 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. August 27, 1939 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem. Also, next time you use wikipedia, make sure you post what else is on there. Since you didn't post what else is on there, let me post it. "During the Great Uprising (1936-1939) of the Arabs in Palestine, in which more than 320 Jews were killed by Arab attacks, the Irgun carried out sixty attacks against Arabs, reflecting its world view that "political violence and terrorism" were "legitimate tools in the Jewish national struggle for the Land of Israel". Following the killing of five Jews at Kibbutz Kiryat Anavim on November 9, 1937, Irgun launched a series of attacks which lasted until the beginning of World War II. All told, Irgun attacks against Arab targets resulted in at least 250 Arab deaths during this period." As you can see, these attacks were a retaliation against the over 320 Jews killed. Post everything next time, will ya?
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“WarrioR al-Ahmad al-Sabah”
Joined: Apr 11, 2008
Comments: 130
Ad-Dunya Dhilun Zailun
ISP:
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
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Though there is, according to Bernard Dod in The Cambridge History of Later Medieval Philosophy,'a tenacious legend that the West learnt its Aristotle via translations from the Arabic,' Islam did not rescue Aristotle either. In A History of Philosophy, Frederick Copleston says that 'it is a mistake to imagine that the Latin scholastics were entirely dependent upon translations from Arabic or even that translation from the Arabic always preceded translation from the Greek.' Indeed,'translation from the Greek generally preceded translation from the Arabic.' This view is confirmed by Peter Dronke in A History of Twelfth—Century Western Philosophy:
'most of the works of Aristotle...were translated directly from the Greek, and only exceptionally by way of an Arabic intermediary.'
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Mosach
Abu Dhabi, UAE
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Iran should nuke the shit outta israel.
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BOMB ISLAM PBUH
Cape Coral, FL
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Bentnotbroken wrote: <quoted text> Thanks, I'd like to keep and use such, is that ok? The truth and proof are necessities. You two idiots should get married.
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BOMB ISLAM PBUH
Cape Coral, FL
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Israel1948 wrote: <quoted text> Isn't it funny how the real truth I posted destroys the fake truth you want people to think is true? Pjam is a propagandise of the first degree.
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“Freedom=Lack Of Accountability”
Joined: Jan 3, 2007
Comments: 3649
Iranian Internet Guard
ISP:
Melbourne, Australia
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Jim wrote: <quoted text> I think you mean 'raised'.:-) Firstly, there is no “my way” or “your way”.(Consider basic rules of debate). I suggest that the concepts of ideology, nationalism, patriotism and religion can be used for good or evil. We need to understand when and why they help and why they can be evil. I see no paradox. One does not except ideologies or religions but need to understand the dangers inherent in the concepts of ideology, religion nationalism and patriotism. Like everything in life it is a question of degree. If I say I am Jewish (for example) and wish to follow the Torah as if it was the word of god, that is not an issue. The issue begins when my faith interferes with the rights of others. If I say I have a right to be in Jerusalem because I am Jewish, I go too far. The same as being Muslim gives me no right in and of itself to live in Mecca. Jews may have a right to live in Jerusalem because they were born there because that is reasonable. It is when religion and nationalism cause us to see people as divided from us that there is the potential for conflict and evil. You are right there is no “my way” or “your way” there is only the yin and yang, the unity of opposites into a harmonious one. The paradox is when you form concepts to kerb the destructive forces of an ideology you actually are forming an ideology of your own. Who is to say that ideology is best? Lets look at secularism, its ideology is that government should exist separately from religion or religious belief. In a pure seculare state the government is not bound by any moral belief. Seculare governments in there purest form follow the ideologies of the Marquis de Sade. Marquis de Sade: http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/desade.htm To stop this deterioration secular governments must form a social contact. Social contract theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract To form this social contract one have an ethical ideology, this must come from an understanding of what makes a society work harmoniously as one. Now the secular government has become bound by a ethical social ideology no different to a religion.
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