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Buddy
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Esteeben wrote: Pigeons are just rats w/wings and should be treated like the (ariborne) vermin they are: poison, traps, etc. But how do you selectively poison the pigeons without poisoning other birds and animals?
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Gary
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Al Streit wrote: The article today on the cover of AM New York,'One for the Birds: Could robotic hawks solve the city's problem?,' is wrong to say there is a pigeon problem. Pigeons are birds like any other and actually safer (they can't give bird flu or west Nile virus to people, while they are as safe as sparrows otherwise). It's poultry that get bird flu. In addition, pigeons eat food in daytime that otherwise rats would get during the night. Pigeons are loved by thousands of New Yorkers, who rescue, treat, and release them when needed. There's a movement to give respect back to pigeons started by Pigeon People 5 years ago. The only concession you give to the truth is your reference to the NYC Health Dept.'s repeated statements that pigeons are not public health risks. That should have been your headline. But you omitted information that the reporter, Ryan Chatelain learned when he interviewed me. Pigeon People is the only organization that has opposes population control and has for years. Instead, knowing that, since the 1950s, you can count on people's dislike of pigeons, your article claims a 'pigeon problem' that doesn't exist. Pigeons and people have been close for more that 6000 years, and people liked them until the 50s. Has something changed? It did - a false and spurious claim of danger to health was made, and the belief stuck. With no chance to learn the truth from the press, people naturally kept the belief. However, the people who had made it up were not authorities in public health or biology. We can now relearn: It's okay to appreciate pigeons. Pigeons happen to live in cities. When people try to keep them off buildings, they can do so in simple, effective, cheap ways. It's good to know that they don't do it in a cartoon-like way, flying robotic hawks around. They poison them or use other slow, painful methods. And they don't even need an alibi, because society's assumption lets them get away with it. But it's not a joke - let's not give excuses to those few people who are cruel to animals. Al Streit Director Pigeon People Umm, can you say CRACKPOT!!!!
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michellefromquee ns
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Find the councilperson who wasted $50k on this scheme and deduct it from his salary.
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Joanna Tierno
AOL
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Pigeons aren't a problem in our city. Crime, poverty, health care, and education are some of our issues that money should be spent on. Lots of people happen to enjoy having pigeons around, but that aside, they have lived with us for centuries without anyone getting sick, why the big fuss now? If its not broken don't fix it
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Krypteia
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Buddy wrote: <quoted text> But how do you selectively poison the pigeons without poisoning other birds and animals? Ask Eddie Murphy to talk to them.
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wtf
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$4200 for a f'n fake bird... I'll take 2. Really though give me a break, I bet the chinese could make it for $4.99/ea and it will last longer.
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Jenaka
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If anyone is a crackpot it's you Gary, answering an articulate, informative post with a stupid one line statement. The ignorance shown in these posts by pigeon haters is pathetic. The department of health states in the article (and has stated before) that pigeons are not a risk to human health, yet people totally ignore it. Dogs and cats are more of a danger to human health than pigeons are. If you don't believe that, do a little research instead of simply parroting what you've heard. Should we get rid of dogs and cats? Eat them maybe? Where is the PROOF that pigeons are a health hazard? All the hysteria about the dangers of pigeons does nothing but put money in the pockets of exterminators.
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RISSYPETTO
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wtf wrote: $4200 for a f'n fake bird... I'll take 2. Really though give me a break, I bet the chinese could make it for $4.99/ea and it will last longer. Yes but it would be coated in lead!
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skybluepink
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where will the pigeons go ???????
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skybluepink
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will they all wind up in brooklyn 111
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Lori
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It's unfortunate that there are so many misconceptions about pigeons (e.g., they are overpopulated and carry zoological diseases) when credible data is readibly available on the Internet. The U.S. Geological Survey's data shows that the population of pigeons in New York State peaked in 1988 and has since declined.(http://www.mbr-pwrc. usgs.gov/cgi-bin/plotpgm0.pl?/ sula/jrs/bbs02/htmind/03131.ny )(N.B.: The AM NY article estimates one million pigeons in NYC but does not cite its source. There is no data on the NYC pigeon population. According to the Wild Bird Fund, the population could range from 200,000 to 2,000,000.) The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states that risks associated with pigeons and their feces is negligible, particularly in a city because the fungus histoplasma capsulatum that grows in feces of birds (including species other than pigeons) requires soil to thrive. A 2000 study published in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology shows that the strains of salmonella carried in pigeon feces is of low virulence to humans. Simply put: The hysteria about pigeons is unfounded. The government should not waste our money on a problem that does not exist.
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percy
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Urban Pigeon's are evil. They eat all the bird food I put out for the blackbirds, tits and robins, they peck other birds out of the way. The greedy pests are so pot bellied and clumsy they tread in the water bowl and tip it over. Pigeon poo is also much harder to clean up and stains my rockery and pebbles. I'm not even sure if they would make a tasty meal.
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Gregg Cooke
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We don't have much of a pigeon problem here in Chicago and we don't use robots to scare them away. Our solution is completely free, very eco-friendly, efficient and self-regulating, and actually a joy for the residents of the city.
Chicago's solution: peregrine falcons. The city has dozens of them and they do a pretty good job of keeping the pigeon population in check. Check out the nest-cams (google for "falcon cam chicago")-- we have a number of new clutches this year, with up to four baby falcons per nest. I'm sure we can spare a few for New York and Liverpool.:-)
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Pandora Spock
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Dubya Money at No Risk wrote: Don't scare away or poison a potential food source -- kill and eat it! I believe pidgeon when eaten is referred to as squab. The restaurants in the city should start trapping the pidgeons and serving them as delicacies. Pidgeons could be a good source of protein for the indigent and Pidgeon Trapper could be a new profession. The US government could give it away like they gave the 5 lb. block of cheese years ago. Just my two cents...
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Lori
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Lori wrote: It's unfortunate that there are so many misconceptions about pigeons (e.g., they are overpopulated and carry zoological diseases) when credible data is readibly available on the Internet. The U.S. Geological Survey's data shows that the population of pigeons in New York State peaked in 1988 and has since declined.(http://www.mbr-pwrc. usgs.gov/cgi-bin/plotpgm0.pl?/ sula/jrs/bbs02/htmind/03131.ny )(N.B.: The AM NY article estimates one million pigeons in NYC but does not cite its source. There is no data on the NYC pigeon population. According to the Wild Bird Fund, the population could range from 200,000 to 2,000,000.) The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states that risks associated with pigeons and their feces is negligible, particularly in a city because the fungus histoplasma capsulatum that grows in feces of birds (including species other than pigeons) requires soil to thrive. A 2000 study published in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology shows that the strains of salmonella carried in pigeon feces is of low virulence to humans. Simply put: The hysteria about pigeons is unfounded. The government should not waste our money on a problem that does not exist. Correction: "Zoological" should be "zoonotic."
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new yorker
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If this works, perhaps we should think about Robo ICE Agents...illegals and pigeons share the same problem....FEED THEM and THEY WILL COME!!!!!
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Sammy Squab
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Robohawk, Schmobohawk. Lets come up with ROBOPOLITICIAN. That is the true menace we have to face and fear!
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Anne Ardolino
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If pigeons were so disease ridden and if they really could destroy tall buildings with a flick of their poo, the entire city would be filled with real sick people living in rubble. It just isn't so folks. It's obvious very few of you even did any research on the possibility of catching disease from pigeons because if you had, you know it's very small.
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Anne Ardolino
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Oh right Pandora, why don't we do just that? Let's trap pigeons and how about rats, mice and cockroaches too - let's trap them all and feed them to the poor people. We can call it "Soylent Scream"
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Mike Goodwin
Eaton Socon, UK
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Pigeons make far less mess than humans do. Leave them be. If you knew a pigeon - I mean REALLY knew a pigeon - you would find out how loving they are not only to other animals but to humans too. Can humans really boast a love for their own species AND that of all other species. I think not. We have much to learn from the humble but incredibly intelligent and loving pigeon.
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