Northern Ireland police seize bomb, guns in swoop against IRA dissidents

ian from dublin wrote:

THE REBEL
by Padraig MacPiarais (Patrick Pearse)
I am come of the seed of the people,
the people that sorrow,
that have no treasure but hope,
No riches laid up
but a memory of an Ancient glory.
My mother bore me in bondage,
in bondage my mother was born,
I am of the blood of serfs;
The children with whom I have played,
the men and women with whom I have eaten,
Have had masters over them,
have been under the lash of masters,
And, though gentle, have served churls;
The hands that have touched mine,
the dear hands whose touch is so familiar to me,
Have worn shameful manacles,
have been bitten at the wrist by manacles,
Have grown hard with the manacles
and the task-work of strangers
I am flesh of the flesh of these lowly,
I am bone of their bone,
I that have never submitted;
I that have a soul
greater than the souls of my people's masters,
I that have vision and prophecy
and the gift of fiery speech,
I that have spoken with God
on the top of His holy hill.
And because I am of the people,
I understand the people,
I am sorrowful with their sorrow,
I am hungry with their desire:
My heart has been heavy with the grief of mothers,
My eyes have been wet with the tears of children.
I have yearned with old wistful men,
And laughed or cursed with young men;
Their shame is my shame,
and I have reddened for it,
Reddened for that they have served,
they who should be free,
Reddened for that they have gone in want,
while others have been full,
Reddened for that they have walked in fear
of lawyers and of their jailers
With their writs of summons and their handcuffs,
Men mean and cruel!
I could have borne stripes on my body
rather than this shame of my people.
And now I speak,
being full of vision;
I speak to my people,
and I speak in my people's name
to the masters of my people.
I say to my people that they are holy,
that they are august, despite their chains,
That they are greater than those that hold them,
and stronger and purer,
That they have but need of courage,
and to call on the name of their God,
God the unforgotten,
the dear God that loves the peoples
For whom He died naked, suffering shame.
And I say to my people's masters:
Beware, Beware of the thing that is coming,
beware of the risen people,
who shall take what ye would not give.
Did ye think to conquer the people,
or that Law is stronger than life
and than men's desire to be free?
We will try it out with you,
ye that have harried and held,
ye that have bullied and bribed,
tyrants, hypocrites, liars!

You sound like a French Canadian with a poem !

ian from dublin wrote:
The "Shankill Butchers" were a group of Ulster Volunteer Force members in Belfast, Northern Ireland, who abducted Roman Catholics usually walking home from a night out, tortured and/or savagely beat them, and killed them, usually by cutting their throats. The leader of the Shankill Butchers was Lenny Murphy. At school he was a bully and a thief, and as soon as he left at the age of 16, he became a member of the Ulster Volunteer Force
By 1972, age 20, Murphy gathered together a gang of equally violent young men, the core being Murphy himself, Robert "Basher" Bates, and "Big" Sam McAllister, who used his huge frame to intimidate the Butchers' victims. In what is said to have been retaliation for the Bloody Friday bombings by the Provisional IRA, a Catholic man, Francis Arthurs, was abducted, beaten, and stabbed for over an hour before being killed.
The murder of Tom Madden is seen as one of the most terrible examples of the Butchers' brutality. Madden was abducted and then stripped naked. He was hanged upside down from the beam of a lock-up garage, and slowly skinned alive. He eventually died of slow strangulation.
On September 28, 1972, Murphy shot and killed William Pavis. Murphy and his accomplice, Mervyn Connor, were arrested shortly afterwards and held in prison awaiting trial. However, Murphy killed Connor in the prison, just after forcing him to write a confession to Pavis' murder. The charges against Lenny Murphy relating to the murder of Pavis collapsed, although Murphy was held behind bars for a number of escape attempts.
In May 1975, Murphy was released from prison. That October they raided a shop, and on finding out the four employees there were Catholics, Murphy shot three of them dead and ordered an accomplice to kill the fourth.
Another key figure of the Shankill Butchers was William Moore. He had worked as a butcher and had stolen several large knives and meat-cleavers from his old workplace, tools that would be put to a horrific use. Over the coming months, the gang began kidnapping Catholics late at night and viciously killing them.
Francis Crossan, aged 34 and father of two, was walking home from a night out, when he was spotted by one of the gang. This was around 12-12:30am. He was hit from behind with a wheel brace, and dragged into a taxi, which drove into the Shankill area. Francis was then tortured and badly beaten. He was repeatedly hit by Murphy, both punched and with the wheel brace. Murphy repeatedly said things like, "I'm going to kill you, you bastard!" Francis was then dragged into an alley, and his throat cut almost through the spine by Murphy. Pieces of glass found in Francis' head showed that a beer glass had been shoved into his head, either in the black taxi, or in the alley. The other victims were killed in a similarly horrific manner.
The Shankill Butchers also got into a feud with another loyalist gang, which quickly ended when Murphy brutally killed a member of the rival gang. There is much evidence to suggest Murphy and his fellow murderers were more like serial killers than terrorists, and that the political situation in Ulster allowed them a respect within their community they never would have had otherwise. They occasionally used guns, but preferred knives and cleavers, and rather than carry out crimes that were carefully planned, the gang usually went out hunting on a whim, usually at night after spending all evening drinking heavily. On one occasion Murphy and Bates impulsively shot and killed two Protestants, believing incorrectly that they were Catholics.
In March 1976, Murphy shot and injured a Catholic woman. He was arrested and subsequently pleaded guilty to a firearms charge. He ordered the murders to continue, and over the next year, with William Moore acting as the new leader, several more Catholics were abducted, tortured and hacked to death.

shorty wrote:

<quoted text> What would happen if you did not pay your rent in your country . You would get thrown out . You Americans think you are free. No one is. There is always some twit making rules for everyone else to abide by. Including you lot.

Taxes, rent is fine my friend. But to come in and try to rule a land that is not yours to begin with. Or make someone pay to work/live on land that is theirs is a very different subject. You can't compair apples to orange's. It is not the same.....

Ian in Dublin wrote:

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Why do you say your in dublin when your isp is listed as Canada MORON

You are such a great dective. Did you find this on your own even? I see after all this time of me not checking this board you are exactly the same.

With your name calling and put downs.... You only show how sad you look...

Anne Roddy wrote:

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You are such a great dective. Did you find this on your own even? I see after all this time of me not checking this board you are exactly the same.
With your name calling and put downs.... You only show how sad you look...

Anne, Have you been to Tipperay Hill in Syracuse?

is that you one shot paddy????

Paddy wrote:

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Anne, Have you been to Tipperay Hill in Syracuse?

No, I haven't even heard of it. What is it all about???

Thanks (-:

Anne Roddy wrote:

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No, I haven't even heard of it. What is it all about???
Thanks (-:

It is an area in Syracuse the Irish Canal workers found very much like back home in Tipperay. At the yop of the hill is a signal light. Not any signal light, but the only one in the world where the green lens is on top. It happened that a local city job was available and the next fellow while changing lenses determined that the green lens should be on top. The short version is that in the 1950's it was made law in Syracuse giving permission to keep it that way. Again, not another in the world!I just thought I would share that with another fellow New York Stater.

Anne Roddy wrote:

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Taxes, rent is fine my friend. But to come in and try to rule a land that is not yours to begin with. Or make someone pay to work/live on land that is theirs is a very different subject. You can't compair apples to orange's. It is not the same.....

So what about the indians in America. What did the white americans do to them. What are the Americans doing in Iraq.What about the Pacific islands, What about all the other islands around the world that America is controlling. You need to look at your own front door before you start preaching your ideology to every one else

shorty wrote:

<quoted text> So what about the indians in America. What did the white americans do to them. What are the Americans doing in Iraq.What about the Pacific islands, What about all the other islands around the world that America is controlling. You need to look at your own front door before you start preaching your ideology to every one else

How do you know what I think about any of them things. BUT Mr London, We give American Indians money because of taking their land. And Iraq? What would you do if people drove air planes into your buildings? What is it you think you would do AND the country you live in backs what we are doing.

Anne Roddy wrote:

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How do you know what I think about any of them things. BUT Mr London, We give American Indians money because of taking their land. And Iraq? What would you do if people drove air planes into your buildings? What is it you think you would do AND the country you live in backs what we are doing.

Everyone, Including the US government accepts that Iraq had NOTHING to do with flying aircraft into buildings. Another example of Ms.Roddy's self made history when facts dont suffice!

Ian in Dublin wrote:

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Everyone, Including the US government accepts that Iraq had NOTHING to do with flying aircraft into buildings. Another example of Ms.Roddy's self made history when facts dont suffice!

Ha Ha Ha Ha...... Try living here and losing so many people at once. It really depends on what side of the story you wish to believe....

Ian in Dublin wrote:

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Everyone, Including the US government accepts that Iraq had NOTHING to do with flying aircraft into buildings. Another example of Ms.Roddy's self made history when facts dont suffice!

Altough I have to give it to you. You posted your comment without any of your rude and uneducated name calling. Good for you!!!! I knew you could do it!!!

Anne Roddy wrote:

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Altough I have to give it to you. You posted your comment without any of your rude and uneducated name calling. Good for you!!!! I knew you could do it!!!

and I must grant you that your reply was polite and unsarcastic. thank you

Anne Roddy wrote:

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Altough I have to give it to you. You posted your comment without any of your rude and uneducated name calling. Good for you!!!! I knew you could do it!!!

Anne, I condem utterly the attacks on 9/11. my point was that your government , military, and intelligence agencies all accept that Iraq was not responsible for those attacks.

MDN wrote:

<quoted text>I believe the hunger strikes is what he or she is refering to. Yes the war between The Church of England and the Catholics is longer than 300 years old.Please correct me if I am wrong.

Who cares!

will never happen as long as i live

Francis wrote:

They are searching only Catholic areas, they made that terrible mistake before (in 9th August 1971). 300 Catholics 0 protestants. While in 2005 Protestant para's shot a several hundreds of bullets on policeman. Why arent they searching in protestant areas too goddamnit? It was just naive to split Ireland in 2 parts in 1916. topographical and historical there should be 1 Irish republic with 32 counties, it will be soon (for my Irish family!). Tiocfaidh Ar La

Under the peace agreement, which I had laughed by ass off that time.

"Talk for talking sake yet nothing do."

They will never disarm, ever.

Ireland is quite a wonderful place to live, American and British tourists flock here to see it's beauty and.......

http://irelandtoo.blogspot.com For the largest pre-historic structure in the whole world!

Yes ireland is beautiful, we are talking about Northern Ireland.