EU-Ukraine relations: A geopolitical test

I agree- peace to all. How I wish that all on this forum would move away from using insults when they have no valid argument to state. How I wish that we could see some positive statements. Ukraine (after all this is a Ukrainian forum) has much to be proud of. She also has a great potential which will someday be realized if the government can be cleansed of self-seeking politicians ( this is, sadly, true of most modern nations). Let all posters of good will resolve to post positive things about Ukraine and refrain from wasting our time with their petty ethnic hatreds and rasism. Let's resolve not to respond to those whose main occupation is the purveying of hate.

Idi Ukrainha ( sure would be nice of Tpix could support the Cyrllic alphabet).

Warrior Poet UG X wrote:

"You must hve met Ukie Cossacks"-- what a stpid statement. What else would you met in Ukraine?
My gosh- even in the Christmas Season you cannot let loose of your hatred and insulting.

Xmas for you!not in Russia. You are either a retard or a child.
Cossacks are also in Russia and they are loyal.

Zielin-- do you really think you are tellng me something that I don't know?-- if so you are really misinformed. My wife is Ukrainian. We celebrate both Western and Orthodox Christmas-- two of a good thing is beter than one. Besides, when I want to buy presents to give on Eastern Christmas I get into all the panic, after Christmas (Western), sales at the stores :).
The Cossacks I met were in Ukraine. They are NOT loyal to Russia. Maybe those who live in Russia are-- I can't say as to that although I know a number of Russians who just couldn't wait to get out of Russia.

Too bad that you couldn't post even one post without resorting to insults to bolster your feeble rguments. I pity you.

BTW-- the use of 'Xmas' is really an insult to those who know what is the main reason for Christmas-- to remove that part of the word is rather offensive.

Listen warrior when I started posting here I have been attacked from the start with insinuations, abuse, vulgar and foul language.
Its the first forum in which something like that happened to me.
The Group of posters here have been behaving badly including you. Check your posts if you don't believe me. Your monikers warrior, pro and Abe speak volumes about your attitude and lack of respect for others. You deem yourselves wise and in the position to lecture those with different views.
I got my fill of you all mentally unstable pricks!

Let's get out the violin for Zielin, LOL :-)

Warrior Poet UG X wrote:

Zielin-- do you really think you are tellng me something that I don't know?-- if so you are really misinformed. My wife is Ukrainian. We celebrate both Western and Orthodox Christmas-- two of a good thing is beter than one. Besides, when I want to buy presents to give on Eastern Christmas I get into all the panic, after Christmas (Western), sales at the stores :).
The Cossacks I met were in Ukraine. They are NOT loyal to Russia. Maybe those who live in Russia are-- I can't say as to that although I know a number of Russians who just couldn't wait to get out of Russia.
Too bad that you couldn't post even one post without resorting to insults to bolster your feeble rguments. I pity you.
BTW-- the use of 'Xmas' is really an insult to those who know what is the main reason for Christmas-- to remove that part of the word is rather offensive.

The X is the sign of the crucifiction of Christ.It is the equivalent , theologically speaking of the t, or the Christ cross.Christians were routinely buried with an X, by the Romans after sacrifice. That is where the X comes from. X mas is not an insult, to people that know the theological history.There is a misconception that X is an insult, but X has been used for over a millenium to describe Christ. One should study christian theology , before" blowing one's top", my friend. FYI Theological History The word "Christ" and its compounds, including "Christmas", have been abbreviated in English for at least the past 1,000 years, long before the modern "Xmas" was commonly used. "Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as AD 1021. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ and ρ used in ancient abbreviations for Χρι στο ς (Greek for "Christ"),[2] and are still widely seen in many Eastern Orthodox icons depicting Jesus Christ. The labarum, an amalgamation of the two Greek letters rendered as ☧, is a symbol often used to represent Christ in Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Christian Churches.[18]

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) and the OED Supplement have cited usages of "X-" or "Xp-" for "Christ-" as early as 1485. The terms "Xpian" and "Xtian" have also been used for "Christian". The dictionary further cites usage of "Xtianity" for "Christianity" from 1634.[2] According to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, most of the evidence for these words comes from "educated Englishmen who knew their Greek".[11]

In ancient Christian art, χ and χρ are abbreviations for Christ's name.[19] In many manuscripts of the New Testament and icons, Χ is an abbreviation for Χρι στο ς[citation needed], as is XC (the first and last letters in Greek, using the lunate sigma);[20] compare IC for Jesus in Greek.
[edit] Other uses of "X" for "Chris-"

Other proper names containing the name "Christ" besides those mentioned above are sometimes abbreviated similarly (e.g. Xtina for the name "Christina"). This usage of "X" to spell the syllable "kris" (rather than the sounds "ks") has extended to "xtal" for "crystal", and on florists' signs to "xant" for "chrysanthemum",[21] even though these words are not etymologically related to "Christ": "crystal" comes from a Greek word meaning "ice" (and not even using the letter χ), and "chrysanthemum" comes from Greek words meaning "golden flower" (while "Christ" comes from a Greek word meaning "anointed").

In the 17th and 18th centuries, "Xene" and "Exene" were common spellings for the given name Christine. The American singer Christina Aguilera has sometimes gone by the name "Xtina" (the "t" should not be considered redundant; as is noted above, "Christ" was historically often shortened to "Xt", not just to X).[22]

The word "Christ" and its compounds, including "Christmas", have been abbreviated in English for at least the past 1,000 years, long before the modern "Xmas" was commonly used. "Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as AD 1021. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ and ρ used in ancient abbreviations for Χρι στο ς (Greek for "Christ"),[2] and are still widely seen in many Eastern Orthodox icons depicting Jesus Christ. The labarum, an amalgamation of the two Greek letters rendered as ☧, is a symbol often used to represent Christ in Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Christian Churches.[18]

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) and the OED Supplement have cited usages of "X-" or "Xp-" for "Christ-" as early as 1485. The terms "Xpian" and "Xtian" have also been used for "Christian". The dictionary further cites usage of "Xtianity" for "Christianity" from 1634.[2] According to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, most of the evidence for these words comes from "educated Englishmen who knew their Greek".[11]

In ancient Christian art, χ and χρ are abbreviations for Christ's name.[19] In many manuscripts of the New Testament and icons, Χ is an abbreviation for Χρι στο ς[citation needed], as is XC (the first and last letters in Greek, using the lunate sigma);[20] compare IC for Jesus in Greek.
[edit] Other uses of "X" for "Chris-"

Other proper names containing the name "Christ" besides those mentioned above are sometimes abbreviated similarly (e.g. Xtina for the name "Christina"). This usage of "X" to spell the syllable "kris" (rather than the sounds "ks") has extended to "xtal" for "crystal", and on florists' signs to "xant" for "chrysanthemum",[21] even though these words are not etymologically related to "Christ": "crystal" comes from a Greek word meaning "ice" (and not even using the letter χ), and "chrysanthemum" comes from Greek words meaning "golden flower" (while "Christ" comes from a Greek word meaning "anointed").

In the 17th and 18th centuries, "Xene" and "Exene" were common spellings for the given name Christine. The American singer Christina Aguilera has sometimes gone by the name "Xtina" (the "t" should not be considered redundant; as is noted above, "Christ" was historically often shortened to "Xt", not just to X).[22]

For the Italian frogman unit "Xª MAS", see Decima Flottiglia MAS.
A 1922 Ladies' Home Journal advertisement using "Xmas".

"Xmas" is a common abbreviation of the word "Christmas". It is sometimes pronounced /ˈɛksm&# 601;s/, but it, and variants such as "Xtemass", originated as handwriting abbreviations for the typical pronunciation /ˈkrɪsm& #601;s/. The "-mas" part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for "Mass",[1] while the "X" comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Χρι στό ς, translated as "Christ".[2]

There is a common misconception, by the theologically uninformed that the word Xmas is a secular attempt to remove the religious tradition from Christmas[3] by taking the "Christ" out of "Christmas"Nothing could be further from the historical truth.

In short : X has stood for Christ for a couple of millenium in both the eastern and western churches. So there is no need to blow your top as usual, about such a small matter when I write " X mass" . X is a preferred designation for Christ in Christian Eastern Orthodoxy. As I say , read and learn my brother. There is much for you and I to learn on this earth yet.MIR UCIM.

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) and the OED Supplement have cited usages of "X-" or "Xp-" for "Christ-" as early as 1485 AD. The terms "Xpian" and "Xtian" have also been used for "Christian". The dictionary further cites usage of "Xtianity" for "Christianity" from 1634.According to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, most of the evidence for these words comes from "educated Englishmen who knew their Greek".

So , WP , you must once again deal with your anger and apologize again , for your flare ups All theologians and most christians know that...Christ" was historically often shortened to "X" . Merry Xmas. WP Your "Anger" is a sign that the devil has you in his grip !You must renounce Satan and calm yourself.Cross yourself three time in the Orthodox fashion.