EU-Ukraine relations: A geopolitical test

Germany is reportedly among the countries most sceptical of making overtures to Ukrainka under the present economic and political circumstances.

Therefore, do not keep your hopes up.
Krauts are not willing to pay for your welfare, even though Ukrainka is already getting plenty of money.

Thanks but no thanks. A trip on the ship " EU Titanic " is not worth the free ticket. Vanya and Masha it is then. Willie and Gerda will have to wait. Yeah , they will sign an accord that will allow for more travel for prostitution and contraband goods traffic between Ukraine and the economic basket cases of Slovakia,Poland and Hungary where the sausage is slightly better because they make it out of old draught horses from Germany.

Amicuska,

it´s not a matter of Ukrainka making the choice.
We in EU do not need another beggar country to milk the system.
As for any contraband. Even these days, we see Ukrainkas gliding over Slovak border with pockets full of illegal cigarettes. As seen almost daily.

Perhaps, even you might consider & apply your entrepreneurial workmanship ?
Just let me know, then. I will be more than happy to welcome you with my slingshot.

Pissy once again you post your idiotic nonsense you are totaly clueless, everyone knowss that SLOwvakia will be one of the next countries to collapse in the Eurozone. Ukraine is not a beggar country, but you are a beggar, you beg for kielbases all of the time.

Slovaks are nothing more than a hungarian -gypsy and polish mish mash of peasants that never learned to speak polish proplerly. Their genetics are so mixed up that they all look like" Mr and Mrs Potatoe" head with all weird, mismatched ears, noses , eyes and disjointed facial characteristics and bad pimply complexions. The slovak average height for men is about five feet 5 inches and 5 feet for woman so they all look like hunched little wrinkled, strange faced hobbits at 30. Some rusyns in the east of slovakia are tall, blond and good looking , but those are mostly of ukrainian stock.The slovak parliament are all converted jews that hid from the Slovak Nazi regime that gleefully exported all their jews to Auschwitz fr their friends in the Reich. Honestly folks, I been there.... slovaks are the most ugly and stupid peasants around because of their garbage genetics.

Boris Khuyovsky wrote:

Slovaks are nothing more than a hungarian -gypsy and polish mish mash of peasants that never learned to speak polish proplerly. Their genetics are so mixed up that they all look like" Mr and Mrs Potatoe" head with all weird, mismatched ears, noses , eyes and disjointed facial characteristics and bad pimply complexions. The slovak average height for men is about five feet 5 inches and 5 feet for woman so they all look like hunched little wrinkled, strange faced hobbits at 30. Some rusyns in the east of slovakia are tall, blond and good looking , but those are mostly of ukrainian stock.The slovak parliament are all converted jews that hid from the Slovak Nazi regime that gleefully exported all their jews to Auschwitz fr their friends in the Reich. Honestly folks, I been there.... slovaks are the most ugly and stupid peasants around because of their garbage genetics.

Feeling superior today ?
The very same can be said about Ukrainians.
Except for the eastern part with the larger influence of Russian element.

Zielin wrote:

<quoted text>Feeling superior today ?
The very same can be said about Ukrainians.
Except for the eastern part with the larger influence of Russian element.

This historically accurate, but obviously hyperbolic and very funny commentary was directed at Pesky who fancies himself a superior slovak. In truth slovaks are average short, ruddy looking alpine - slavic looking peasant types, found all over east europe. The pro Nazi past of Slovakia is absolutely accurate though. Unlike Slovakia ,the Ukrainian SSR did not support Nazi Germany, and in fact ukrainans in the red army were the first that liberated the death camps.Slovakia was an officially Nazi supporting fascist puppet state of the Reich.

Phillip Church wrote:

<quoted text>This historically accurate, but obviously hyperbolic and very funny commentary was directed at Pesky who fancies himself a superior slovak. In truth slovaks are average short, ruddy looking alpine - slavic looking peasant types, found all over east europe. The pro Nazi past of Slovakia is absolutely accurate though. Unlike Slovakia ,the Ukrainian SSR did not support Nazi Germany, and in fact ukrainans in the red army were the first that liberated the death camps.Slovakia was an officially Nazi supporting fascist puppet state of the Reich.

I agree expect for a fact that western Ukrainians did support the Nazi Germany.
Yes there was many ethnicity's in the Red Army.

Zielin wrote:

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I agree expect for a fact that western Ukrainians did support the Nazi Germany.
Yes there was many ethnicity's in the Red Army.

You are wrong in many areas. Individuals of various ethnicities may have supported the fascists, but they were polish, austrian and german nationals, not ukrainian nationals.Ukraine, as a policy making state did not even exist in 1940s, until 1991 and the western parts were not even part of the UKr SSR during WW11.Officially, the Ukr SSR in WW11 fought the Nazis and liberated the camps, so you are mistaken. There may be individuals guilty of supporting nazis, but Ukraine did not exist as an independent state cannot be ascribed guilt, unlike Slovaki and the soviet republic UKR.SSR and its 40 million residents officially fought nazism. Slovakia, however was an official Nazi state.

what do you mean by nationals ? western Ukrainians become part of Ukr.SSR in 1939 so technically they were Ukrainians nationals.
The fact remains that they were supporting Nazi Germany.

Oh goody-- here we go again on the Ethnic Hate-go-round. Each little group has to "prove" themselves superior to others. What a waste of time. Will you people EVER get out of the 3rd grade mentality and post something of value?

Zielin wrote:

what do you mean by nationals ? western Ukrainians become part of Ukr.SSR in 1939 so technically they were Ukrainians nationals.
The fact remains that they were supporting Nazi Germany.

No, you are inaccurate again, Ukraine as a country were never Nazi supporter. This communist fabrication. It was a not ukrainian national policy to support is the Nazis. The now so called western ukraine was then in insurrection between 1940 to 1945, with no government.Don't argue technical international law ,unless you are legally trained, as you sound like a fool out of your intellectual depth. Ukraine did not exist until 1991, as a foreign policy making institution . Get it ???? Strategic alliances by bands of multi - ethnic and multi - national roving partisan bands in austrian galicia means nothing. Again.... I will repeat,there may be various ethnicity and nationality individuals that were guilty of supporting the Nazis , but none were ukrainian nationals as the country of ukraine did not exist. It was not state policy to support the nazis in Ukraine as in Slovakia -(Hlinka Guard regime) and Petain French Vichy regime ,also Hungary, Romania etc. were officially Axis powers. Ukraine as a republic in the USSR fought the Nazis and was the first to liberate the camps. Many red generals were ethnic ukrainans... MoskalenkoTymoshenko ,Yaramenko, Koniev etc etc. Time to put away old communist propoganda....

Warrior Poet UG X wrote:

Oh goody-- here we go again on the Ethnic Hate-go-round. Each little group has to "prove" themselves superior to others. What a waste of time. Will you people EVER get out of the 3rd grade mentality and post something of value?

If you had a few relatives that were executed and gassed ,by the Nazis you would not be so cock -sure of yourself and smug. You are a typical comfortable bigoted american .... secure in your prejudices and self importance. Such an american stereotype you are.

That is not going to happen as long as people are so busy trying to "prove" their little ethnic superior to all others.

Your thinking is obtuse Warrior Poet, and not very sophisticated. . The issue is collective guilt of countries vs personal guilt.There are no collectively guilty ethnicities or countries. You are still talking about ethnicities when virtually everyone here including myself has stated over and over again, that virtually all of us on this blog are multi cultural and multi ethnic, so Warrior Poet, you are just talking in catch phrases and stereotypes again, and not thinking critically at all. You are the biggest anti - russian here , not realizing Ukrainians are really Russians, and vica versa too as they are the same people culturally. You are one of the worst ethnnic stereo -typers and ethnic supremacists here Warrior Poet, I dare say.Harumph....

Phillip Allchurch wrote:

<quoted text>No, you are inaccurate again, Ukraine as a country were never Nazi supporter. This communist fabrication. It was a not ukrainian national policy to support is the Nazis. The now so called western ukraine was then in insurrection between 1940 to 1945, with no government.Don't argue technical international law ,unless you are legally trained, as you sound like a fool out of your intellectual depth. Ukraine did not exist until 1991, as a foreign policy making institution . Get it ???? Strategic alliances by bands of multi - ethnic and multi - national roving partisan bands in austrian galicia means nothing. Again.... I will repeat,there may be various ethnicity and nationality individuals that were guilty of supporting the Nazis , but none were ukrainian nationals as the country of ukraine did not exist. It was not state policy to support the nazis in Ukraine as in Slovakia -(Hlinka Guard regime) and Petain French Vichy regime ,also Hungary, Romania etc. were officially Axis powers. Ukraine as a republic in the USSR fought the Nazis and was the first to liberate the camps. Many red generals were ethnic ukrainans... MoskalenkoTymoshenko ,Yaramenko, Koniev etc etc. Time to put away old communist propoganda....

I think you are confused.
What is the difference between something being state policy and between will of the people without state.
I would say that guilt would be grater for those supporting Nazi Germany who had no state, because they volunteered.
People following their state policy at lest have excuse, volunteers have none .
Especially like in the case of western Ukrainians (they self-identification cannot be doubted)it is even worse because they betrayed firstly Polish state and then Soviet Ukraine to fight against Ukrainians in the Red Army, arm in arm with Nazi Germany.
Get your facts right.

Zielin wrote:

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I think you are confused.
What is the difference between something being state policy and between will of the people without state.
I would say that guilt would be grater for those supporting Nazi Germany who had no state, because they volunteered.
People following their state policy at lest have excuse, volunteers have none .
Especially like in the case of western Ukrainians (they self-identification cannot be doubted)it is even worse because they betrayed firstly Polish state and then Soviet Ukraine to fight against Ukrainians in the Red Army, arm in arm with Nazi Germany.
Get your facts right.

Like I said. There are individual guilty persons, but there are no guilty countries.For example german soldiers that fought for Nazi Germany are not automatically war criminals. Likewise, those that fought for a free Ukraine are not automatically war criminals, as the soviets wanted everyone to believe . War criminality must be proven .It is beyond what a soldier normally does. Soldiers are soldiers, unless the contrary be proven. Strategic Alliances with Nazi Germany does not make a whole people or country war criminal. That is not the way it works.In any event that is the way iy works at international law, otherwise we would have to have machine gunned all Germany and Italy as war criminals. Otherwise the half of Europe whose states supported the Nazis would be war criminals too. Let me list a few of the Axis countries that supported the Nazis... France, Italy, Romania , Slovakia, Bulgaria, Austria,Hungary, Latvia, Finland, Holland, Japan etc. People are not responsible for their state 's actions , but they are responsible for their own actions. So let those that are guilty be punished for proven war crimes, no problem, but blaming a non existent state is very irrational and not legally based.You must be an old communist and quite stupid.

What country I'm blaming ?You talking much but you are contradicting yourself oft. Now you are mixing insult into equation - piss off moron!

If EU not put Ukraine inside EU direct, then Ukraine will become part of Russia, and after Russia will become very strong and EU will dissolve.

Zielin wrote:

What country I'm blaming ?You talking much but you are contradicting yourself oft. Now you are mixing insult into equation - piss off moron!

What you are saying would make every German soldier a war criminal too ! So it is even more illogical to blame non existent countries like Ukraine at the time of WW11 and ordinary soldiers fighting for the Reich. Proven war crimes, are of course another matter, but those would be less than 1% of all soldiers and have been traditionally prosecuted and certainly many executions followed after WW II, all over Europe for war crimes .