Fearing Russia, Eastern democracies turn to West

We are 4% of the world population attempting to enforce our will and ideals on the rest of the world. The math just dosn't work. While freedom and democracy are great ideals we will destroy ourselves attempting to right every wrong on the planet. ALL wrongs can't be righted by America we don't have the resorces. Russia knows that we are over extended the world knows. Now the same countries that kept us out of their free trade markets and voted against us at the UN want American troops.

americans are not over extended only, but mostly incapable to make any sound decision, see iraq the latest !

Dont worry your government does not support Georgia as an act of charity, there is big political and interests in it

1) Oil
2) Suppoort democracy in Georgia
3) Enlarge NATO as fast as they can, so it will be esier to stop Russia
4) to give an example to the other post soviet states that the world will not tolerate Russia's idiotic actions.

P.S. Russia is becoming more and more dangerous, adn they showed to everyone last week, do not respect their agreements and do not give a shit on human lives.

Russian general threaten poland with pombing them with nuclear bobms! It was general and not some private soldier.

P.S. I think its time to overlook what we can achiev with Russia with diplomcay and start building real securty for our people.

USSR is back

Don't give up the fight. If freedom and democracy are worth fighting for, and I believe they are, then the Eastern European countries most vulnerable to Soviet takeover need to unit on both a diplomatic and military front to defend their countries. That is not to say the West should not support their efforts, we should (on both fronts), however there comes a time when the citizens of a particular region need to stand up, unite and fight for themselves. To the person who criticized the Iraq decision, freedom and democracy are far better than Saddam Hussein’s rule, Iraqi insurgents have killed far more citizens than the American military and the Iraqi people are beginning to combat the Islamic extremists themselves. Stand up, take pride in what you believe in and fight for it, because rest assured, communists and Islamic extremists are doing just that.

David wrote:

Dont worry your government does not support Georgia as an act of charity, there is big political and interests in it
1) Oil
2) Suppoort democracy in Georgia
3) Enlarge NATO as fast as they can, so it will be esier to stop Russia
4) to give an example to the other post soviet states that the world will not tolerate Russia's idiotic actions.
P.S. Russia is becoming more and more dangerous, adn they showed to everyone last week, do not respect their agreements and do not give a shit on human lives.
Russian general threaten poland with pombing them with nuclear bobms! It was general and not some private soldier.
P.S. I think its time to overlook what we can achiev with Russia with diplomcay and start building real securty for our people.
USSR is back

Gentlemen: The above points are very good. However, the biggest point is left out. Russia is, has always been, and unless stopped will always be, A BULLY. I have had personal experience with a terrible bully. Even though I was a stocky little guy ( 5 ft 2 150 lbs) in the 6th grade, I was very peaceful and let this bully whomp on me almost every day. One day I had had enough. When he started to hit me, I lit into him and laid him out cold. When he came to he was never again a bully. Until the free world takes a major action against Russia she will continue to bully. Maybe it is time to start thinking about what action to take. There is no way this bully can stand up to a United Europe, North American Alliance. Face facts people, the only way to stop a bully is to hit back much harder than it does.

yogibear, it looks like you were fated by that bully and he hurt you for perpetuity !
i mean, some must have happened, otherwise you´d not write the above dribble, would you even despite of it ?

If these countries were smart they'd learn from history that the Kwa will double cross them at the first opportune moment. Make no mistake, the only thing Kwan politicians are concerned about is the welfare of Israel without whose shekels, most of the scum holding office wouldn't be.Be nice to the bear or he'll rip your head off. That's life. The multiracial Kwa can't and won't save you. It can't save itself.

"Eastern democracies" are pretty much on the way to become "Western" themselves. Just look at the Centropa region involving Vienna/Wien - Bratislava/Pozsony - Sopron/Ödenburg - Győr. It's one of the most vigorously developing areas of Europe.
On the other hand, as far as NATO accession is concerned, I remember very well that potential applicants had to sign basic contracts with neighboring countries never to enter any conflict (such agreements were signed between Hungary and Slovakia as well as Hungary and Romania). If the same terms were applied to Georgia, it should not be admitted to NATO as of yet.

eastern boys = western girls...look 01 just cook them our specialties, magayr goulash, czech beer, slovak tokaj.. bingo there´s none that can beat us !
those geeks, turkeys, italianos soon we´ll come and beg for jobs..

Russia is a ticking time bomb! The Muslim hordes in time will cut heir throats!Putin really messed up for his people to take care of the crooked thugs in his country who are pigs! Putin is nothing but a Punk!

Everyone need to take a deep breath.We do not need to go back.

Neither the Russians or the West has any desire to reenact the Cold War. However, the ex-GPU leadership in Moscow will use any excuse to recreate the Soviet Union. There is a very difficult solution to this problem; the West must become energy independent.

I forget which ex- Clinton Administration official, that argued that the price of oil and the movement of the world towards Democracy move in opposite directions. The more we pay these Democratically challenged regimes for oil, the less incentive for them to become democratic. The sooner we are off hydrocarbons the sooner the Russians will become more friendly to us all.

The U.S. should not be the policeman for every territorial dispute throughout the planet; we should be limiting the expense of our massive military industrial complex, not look for other excuses for Cheney and his neo-cons sycophants to bankrupt us. Halliburton made enough off Iraq. Time for a change in our gunboat diplomacy.

you americans are the biggest consumers of oil, how do you propose to stop consuming it ?
you went to iraq to secure supplies, russia went to georgia to do the same, but somehow everyone is up in arms over...why ?

pesky The reality of what you do not understand is that Americans when they need to can change things around very very quickly. They can live without and have before. One of the presidential platforms of both parties is to get off of oil.

Do not think Americans are soft. Japan made that mistake.

there´s no doubt that an alternative to oil is around, but will those at the likes of haliburton allow it ?
we already have a light bulb that never goes out, can you and me buy it ?
as for those japs, you bombed them with nukes, otherwise..who knows ?

JohnK wrote:

Do not think Americans are soft. Japan made that mistake.

Soft, tough ..
The reason is that the situation in the word changed dramatically, while Bush was sleeping. US weight in the world increased sharp. EU -- much more.
Now West consume in four times more than produce. Think over ... To say "Russia got impudent" is too primitive.

JohnK wrote:

pesky The reality of what you do not understand is that Americans when they need to can change things around very very quickly. They can live without and have before. One of the presidential platforms of both parties is to get off of oil.
Do not think Americans are soft. Japan made that mistake.

Thank You John - I just hope and pray that we don't have to prove it again.

All the best.

Kruge I will not say that Bush is a good president. I did not vote for him. I was against Iraq. Many of Bushes policies I do not agree with and speak out against them. I am a realist about my country and know it is not perfect. I know we do things wrong and do the best I can to change them. I do not follow blindly and do my reseach on subjects.

Unfortionately Russia had a great chance to change for the better. I do not know what happened to Putin but he changed in my opinion. I am a person for free press because with free press (even if you do not like it) you get different opinions and then you can make your own decision. Russia at present does not have free press. It is state controlled and that is sad and an insult to the minds of the Russian people. They think you have to be told what to think. If you goverment controls the press then they are insulting the people of the country.

johnK, how long have you worked in the states ?

JohnK wrote:

Kruge I will not say that Bush is a good president. I did not vote for him. I was against Iraq. Many of Bushes policies I do not agree with and speak out against them. I am a realist about my country and know it is not perfect. I know we do things wrong and do the best I can to change them. I do not follow blindly and do my reseach on subjects.
Unfortionately Russia had a great chance to change for the better. I do not know what happened to Putin but he changed in my opinion. I am a person for free press because with free press (even if you do not like it) you get different opinions and then you can make your own decision. Russia at present does not have free press. It is state controlled and that is sad and an insult to the minds of the Russian people. They think you have to be told what to think. If you goverment controls the press then they are insulting the people of the country.

We are much the same JohnK... I've never liked Bush... and I thought Putin might be doing the best he could for his people, considering Russia was about to swallowed by Western multi-national corporations.

I still don't like Bush... either of them. But I think Putin has gone too far... he's not thinking about his people anymore. He's only thinking about power.