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President Putin's Third Term

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Russia is a democracy in name only. by Reuben F. Johnson 08/20/2007, Volume 012, Issue 46 Americans might be pardoned for thinking that the presidential race is an out-of-control, ever-lengthening marathon.

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Stefan

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Aug 11, 2007
 
The time is coming very shortly. Putin's term ends in March 2008, merely 7 months away. Given that elections need to be called 2-3 months ahead of schedule, that puts us into December '07.

But public questions will be coming much sooner. So we really should be hearing something in September or October.

Will Belarus and Russia form a Union?
Will Putin have the constitution changed so he can run a third term?
Will Medvedev or Ivanov become the new supreme commander?

Stay tuned to a TASS network near you!
Jampa

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Aug 11, 2007
 
Russian fascism is on the rise and should be of great concern to all neighbouring countries.

The Russian government fans imperilist and colonial longings, stirs up xenophobia, murders its critics, political opponents, and investigative journalists and tolerates the worst possible brutalities within the lower ranks of its military service.

Now it is very clear NATO will be challenged.
Dmitriy

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Aug 11, 2007
 

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Russian Democracy is on the rise like never before and that seams to be concern for overseas countries that always hunt for natural resources with superdemocratic flag over their heads.
Russia is going to hold parliament election in December and president election in March.The President is going to be the one that collected most votes and newly democraticly elected parliament will offer a candidat for the Prime Minister post even if that candidat was a President before.
Shame on previos posters
Richard

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Aug 11, 2007
 
Dmitriy wrote:
Russian Democracy is on the rise like never before and that seams to be concern for overseas countries that always hunt for natural resources with superdemocratic flag over their heads.
Russia is going to hold parliament election in December and president election in March.The President is going to be the one that collected most votes and newly democraticly elected parliament will offer a candidat for the Prime Minister post even if that candidat was a President before.
Shame on previos posters
You say that Putin will be prime minister ? That is very interesting and very Russian !
Stefan

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Aug 11, 2007
 

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Dmitriy wrote:
Russian Democracy is on the rise like never before and that seams to be concern for overseas countries that always hunt for natural resources with superdemocratic flag over their heads.
Russia is going to hold parliament election in December and president election in March.The President is going to be the one that collected most votes and newly democraticly elected parliament will offer a candidat for the Prime Minister post even if that candidat was a President before.
Shame on previos posters
That is good if your say Democracy is on the rise. We support all gains that Democracy makes in Russia.

But tell me Dmitriy, who are the opposition candidates and are they allowed any air time on national TV.
william

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Aug 11, 2007
 
Stefan wrote:
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That is good if your say Democracy is on the rise. We support all gains that Democracy makes in Russia.
But tell me Dmitriy, who are the opposition candidates and are they allowed any air time on national TV.
Reading all your posts, I am wondering why you worry so much about democracy in Russia. It's not like if you were Russia, or a Russian voter, is it?

I couldn't care less what kind of government they have in Canada or China. You deal with the country, not its internal politics.

I would understand if Russian posters on this forum were complaining about the politics inside their country, but I can't understand all this 'belly-aching' from people who are not directly concerned.
Stefan

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Aug 11, 2007
 
William we all know that what happens in Russia affects Ukraine. So lets not beat around the bush.

A true Democratic Russia will question any aggressive move toward Ukraine and most likely stop it. Present day Russia is a little unpredictable and worry-some for the millions of people who 'remember history'. No telling what she might do.
william

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Aug 12, 2007
 
Stefan wrote:
William we all know that what happens in Russia affects Ukraine. So lets not beat around the bush.
A true Democratic Russia will question any aggressive move toward Ukraine and most likely stop it. Present day Russia is a little unpredictable and worry-some for the millions of people who 'remember history'. No telling what she might do.
You mean like a true democratic USA would question aggessive moves against Iraq and Afghanistan and stop them? Don't make me laugh...

Your "democracy" is no guarantee of anything. In fact 'democratic' countries are the most aggressive now!!
Stefan

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Aug 12, 2007
 
Your answer is always a comparison to the US. But you know what, the Americans don't threaten me or my family or my people. The Russian leaders still do!

Democracy, while not being perfect, is far superior than any other type or form of Government.

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Aug 12, 2007
 
Stefan wrote:
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That is good if your say Democracy is on the rise. We support all gains that Democracy makes in Russia.
But tell me Dmitriy, who are the opposition candidates and are they allowed any air time on national TV.
The presidential race had not started yet so nobody gets any time for official agitation.If you'd want switch to commercial channels there are plenty of choices for any kind of opposition being given time according to what an editor wants to see on his TV.I've seen them all.
But what I think is the most interesting for you is if pro-west liberals like Kasyanov Kasparov etc get their share of attention the answer is that yes they do appear on commercial channels and when it comes to a national TV you wouldnt see them much only for a reason that they do not have parliament representation and therefore do not have influence on all legislative work just like many other minor parties.
All the oppostion parties aare yet to figure out whose candidacy they are going to support but if you allow me to foresee the event I will name them:
Communists will stick to Zyuganov
Nationalists are definitely going to vote for Zhirinovsky
For liberals there are many choices that I really fail to predict such as
Yavlinskiy from "Yabloko"
Kasyanov or Kasparov from coalition "The Other Russia"
And someone from Union of Right Forces.Its current leader Nikita Belykh is not 35 yet so he cant run for President according to Constitution.
I dont know if they will all come to an agreement
or will run separately,but their stances are pretty close.
It was about opposition.
I am not big sociologist but according to what I see and hear around myself the winner will be the one supported by ruling party (so-called priemnik) Medvedev or Ivanov.Their popularity rates are very close.I personally pick Medvedev.And I expect he'll choose Putin as Prime Minister.
I hope I have satisfied your curiosity,let me know if not.
william

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Aug 12, 2007
 
Dimitriy wrote:
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The presidential race had not started yet so nobody gets any time for official agitation.If you'd want switch to commercial channels there are plenty of choices for any kind of opposition being given time according to what an editor wants to see on his TV.I've seen them all.
But what I think is the most interesting for you is if pro-west liberals like Kasyanov Kasparov etc get their share of attention the answer is that yes they do appear on commercial channels and when it comes to a national TV you wouldnt see them much only for a reason that they do not have parliament representation and therefore do not have influence on all legislative work just like many other minor parties.
All the oppostion parties aare yet to figure out whose candidacy they are going to support but if you allow me to foresee the event I will name them:
Communists will stick to Zyuganov
Nationalists are definitely going to vote for Zhirinovsky
For liberals there are many choices that I really fail to predict such as
Yavlinskiy from "Yabloko"
Kasyanov or Kasparov from coalition "The Other Russia"
And someone from Union of Right Forces.Its current leader Nikita Belykh is not 35 yet so he cant run for President according to Constitution.
I dont know if they will all come to an agreement
or will run separately,but their stances are pretty close.
It was about opposition.
I am not big sociologist but according to what I see and hear around myself the winner will be the one supported by ruling party (so-called priemnik) Medvedev or Ivanov.Their popularity rates are very close.I personally pick Medvedev.And I expect he'll choose Putin as Prime Minister.
I hope I have satisfied your curiosity,let me know if not.
Good post!!

Whatever you say Dimitriy, stefan will find a way of saying it's not real democracy, or will cast doubt about the elecrions, or won't like the winner!!

You can't please everybody!
william

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Aug 12, 2007
 
Stefan wrote:
Your answer is always a comparison to the US. But you know what, the Americans don't threaten me or my family or my people. The Russian leaders still do!
Democracy, while not being perfect, is far superior than any other type or form of Government.
Well, you know what? The Americans threaten us in Europe!! Our association with them only brings grief and trouble.

How can Russians threaten you in Canada?
Richard

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Aug 12, 2007
 
Dimitriy wrote:
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The presidential race had not started yet so nobody gets any time for official agitation.If you'd want switch to commercial channels there are plenty of choices for any kind of opposition being given time according to what an editor wants to see on his TV.I've seen them all.
But what I think is the most interesting for you is if pro-west liberals like Kasyanov Kasparov etc get their share of attention the answer is that yes they do appear on commercial channels and when it comes to a national TV you wouldnt see them much only for a reason that they do not have parliament representation and therefore do not have influence on all legislative work just like many other minor parties.
All the oppostion parties aare yet to figure out whose candidacy they are going to support but if you allow me to foresee the event I will name them:
Communists will stick to Zyuganov
Nationalists are definitely going to vote for Zhirinovsky
For liberals there are many choices that I really fail to predict such as
Yavlinskiy from "Yabloko"
Kasyanov or Kasparov from coalition "The Other Russia"
And someone from Union of Right Forces.Its current leader Nikita Belykh is not 35 yet so he cant run for President according to Constitution.
I dont know if they will all come to an agreement
or will run separately,but their stances are pretty close.
It was about opposition.
I am not big sociologist but according to what I see and hear around myself the winner will be the one supported by ruling party (so-called priemnik) Medvedev or Ivanov.Their popularity rates are very close.I personally pick Medvedev.And I expect he'll choose Putin as Prime Minister.
I hope I have satisfied your curiosity,let me know if not.
The only democrat I see is the Ukrainian born Yabloko leader, Grigory Yavlinsky who was born Lviv , Ukraine . His ideas are very western and democrat.( European influenced as he is from West Ukraine) I would vote for him . The rest are the same old government sponsored gavno.Zhirinovsky should be selling herring (silotka),and he should not be in politics as he is very stupid. Zyganov is a drunk.Medvedev is a pretty boy ,who is too young and had a priveleged upbringing.Kasparov is too smart for politics..That leaves Ivanov, who has the brains but has dictatorial tendencies. Kasyanov is an Oligarch pawn.Not much to pick from this bunch ! Machiavelli would love this. With these loosers Ivanov will win for sure.(with Putin pulling the strings in the back as President).Will you Russians never learn ?
jo Jo Johnson

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Sep 2, 2007
 
The two-faced imposter, Catherine the Great, may be a role model for Putin. She also manipulated to install her successor, Alexander.

Vladimir the Great
by Jay Winik
Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ ...
Listening Device

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Sep 5, 2007
 
william wrote:
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Well, you know what? The Americans threaten us in Europe!! Our association with them only brings grief and trouble.
How can Russians threaten you in Canada?
The latest audio tapes from William the pervert. A disgraced old senile soviet idiot who has again surfaced from his loney mental health ward for more attention.
William

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Sep 5, 2007
 
Listening Device wrote:
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The latest audio tapes from William the pervert. A disgraced old senile soviet idiot who has again surfaced from his loney mental health ward for more attention.
I'm Robespiere now!
Islam Heaven

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Sep 5, 2007
 
William wrote:
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I'm Robespiere now!
Nah! You are still the Canadian Russian idiot. Ha!
Observer

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Sep 7, 2007
 
Dmitriy wrote:
Russian Democracy is on the rise like never before and that seams to be concern for overseas countries that always hunt for natural resources with superdemocratic flag over their heads.
Russia is going to hold parliament election in December and president election in March.The President is going to be the one that collected most votes and newly democraticly elected parliament will offer a candidat for the Prime Minister post even if that candidat was a President before.
Shame on previos posters
Sure there are going to be "democratic elections" in Russia - just like when it was the Soviet Union. Exclusive control of the mass media, the elimination of the right of individuals to stand for election, the increase in the thresholds to enable opposition parties to put up candidates, and the use of an "anti extremist" law to silence opposition figures is not exactly condusive to building democracy in any definition of the word. Who do you think you are kidding apart from yourself?

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Sep 7, 2007
 
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Sure there are going to be "democratic elections" in Russia - just like when it was the Soviet Union.
There are improvments, it's just that detractors refuse to see them. There are some manipulations of course, but it's not a one-party state anymore, is it? Most of the opposition should regroup to present a united front, but there are too many egos, which Putin's party is exploiting. Can you blame them?

The recent elections in France, also highlighted some pretty 'under-hand' tactics to prevent some candidates from registering. One of them had been a runner-up in a previous presidential election!!
The main candidates closed ranks to try to eliminate him, deny him TV time, etc... Who would have thought that could happen in France! Le Pen is not 'my cup of tea, but I was shocked by the tactics!!

I mention this, because each country has its own political system, and none are fool-proof.

The first election 'won' by Bush left quite a bitter taste for many Americans. And what about the British system, where a new Executive slips in power without any election!! That's the dream of most politicians: get into power without facing the electorate!!
Ray

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Sep 7, 2007
 
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