RF does not recognize Holodomor as genocide in Ukraine

Postyshev and Molotov were among the most important genociders of the Holodomor genocide.

JohnK wrote:

Stefanya I do not hate the Russians. I just do not like your government. I think it is backwards and a dictatorship and it does not matter how much you claim democracy. Democracy cannot be without a free press. Fact.

1. YOu do no hate the Russians, good for you. I guess you just want them to be in the perfect democracy of the Boris Yeltsin days when Pure democracy and getting advice from the west made for the worst depression in the world, 15 million dead, millions orphaned, millions of the brilliant and talented people forced to leave for North America to survive, millions whored in the white slave trade, and mockery and derision for how far Russia fell.

2. My governmnt is the USA government which is hardly perfect. You confuse my interest in Russia and for Russia to be treated with the same standards as everyone else instead of being talked about as it it were still GEORGIAN Stalinist days, in which he didn't mind murdering Russians and Poles and slavs as he wasn't one of them.

3. I disagree that there isn't a democracy in Russia. If some freedoms were curtailed then it was done in order to pull RUssia out of the sch*tt hole that it fell into after advice and meddling from the west.

4.While a free press is essential to Democracy, unfortunately fledgling democracies cannot afford the excesses of the Boris Yeltsin Era to destroy a country while holding up Democracy as a godly beacon of light. What good is pure democracy if the people are suffering worse than when they were under communism.

And our country, the USA is putting up with curtailed freedoms under the Patriot ACT, supposedly to stop terrorism which curtailed AMErican freedoms from searches, and freedom of expression, but hypocritically doesn't secure our southern border allowing, white slavers to pack USA whorehouses with SLAVES, lets in drug runners, illegal aliens and God knows who else, maybe even terrorists for all anyone knows. Who is watching the border as AlCaida come in?

5. As a new democracy, Russia is not going to be perfect as its fledgling democracy has to deal with the aftermath of a brain drain and horrible conditions which killed millions and nearly destroyed the country.

The USA has had over two centuries to perfect its imperfect Democracy, while hypocritically expecting pure democracy to exist in Russia.

Yet how hypocritical is the USA who isn't worried about freedom of the press or any other freedom as WE sent most of our manufcturing,complet with factories to China so the fat cat rich can make tons of money while depriving Americans of jobs on the one hand and allowing illegals by the tens of millions to enter and take the other jobs.

6. I hate to clue you in on this but Pure Democracy doesn't even begin to take care of all of the problems of a country, especially a new democray.

7. Why be so critical? Why not let Democracy in Russia develop at it own pace while it overcomes its economic and social problems. Or would you rather that Russia be destroyed trying to live up to impossible standards while trying to overcome important problems?

8. It was thanks to this freedom of the press which allowed American PR people to come into Russia and run ads scaring the people into voting for limp dishrag and traitor Boris Yeltsin who led them almost into total destruction of the country.

GIVE RUSSIA TIME TO TAKE CARE OF ITS PROBLEMS AND WORK ON THEIR DEMOCRACY.

Instead of pushing AMerican influence into the Black Sea with colored revolutions designed to facilitate the spread of American imperialism into places in search of natural resources.

Anatoly wrote:

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Is this also desinformation?
"Investigating data of ZAGSs (Offices which register biths, deths, marriages and devorces)about nationality of deads, we see that in Ukraine people died not on the basis of nationality, but on the basis of place of residence".
S. Kulchitsky, "Zerkalo nedeli", No 45, November 23-29 2002.

Well those pushing this "holodomyr" thing do tend to push aside informations which provides an "inconvenient truth."

Stefanya is obviously a spy.

Dead Ruski wrote:

Stefanya is obviously a spy.

SHe is garbage , not a spy! SHe thanked Robespier for saing that 9/11 was good! Sick! Just sick!Bloodthirsty genocidal mind! A sh@t like this lives in America and aproves the death of her own fellow citizens. SOmething is very wrong with this picture.

ana wrote:

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SHe is garbage , not a spy! SHe thanked Robespier for saing that 9/11 was good! Sick! Just sick!Bloodthirsty genocidal mind! A sh@t like this lives in America and aproves the death of her own fellow citizens. SOmething is very wrong with this picture.

Dumb biatch should have been inside those buildings when it happened!!!

ana wrote:

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SHe is garbage , not a spy! SHe thanked Robespier for saing that 9/11 was good! Sick! Just sick!Bloodthirsty genocidal mind! A sh@t like this lives in America and aproves the death of her own fellow citizens. SOmething is very wrong with this picture.

I knew she was antiAmericans from the start, she LOVE seeing americans get killed. Just wait when I report all of her anti americans post to the FBI. Since she live in the states the FBI can go to her home and see if shes a terrorist.

Hopefully she get shot for arresting resist.=)

Hopefully she get shot for resisting arrest...=)

Why are you such a sick bastard?

ana wrote:

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SHe is garbage , not a spy! SHe thanked Robespier for saing that 9/11 was good! Sick! Just sick!Bloodthirsty genocidal mind! A sh@t like this lives in America and aproves the death of her own fellow citizens. SOmething is very wrong with this picture.

I support Robespierre's right to comment on this forum and do not necessarily agree with the content of his comment. Ponimaesh Kastrulka? Or is the concept of free speech too much for you to handle. It means even the speech which you do not like. For example you say many things which people don't agree with and you use bathroom language and slander people as you jump to conclusions, while defending people who use the same horrible language finally being pushed to fight back.

I support Robespierres right to post on this forum and for giving the very nasty Observor a taste of what he dishes out to other people.

Perhaps you don't understand English well enough to see the fine points of people's comments who are evolved beyond just good and bad and see the world not as black and white but in shades of grey which is the real reality. Grow up and stop spreading slander.

Dead Ruski wrote:

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I knew she was antiAmericans from the start, she LOVE seeing americans get killed. Just wait when I report all of her anti americans post to the FBI. Since she live in the states the FBI can go to her home and see if shes a terrorist.
Hopefully she get shot for arresting resist.=)

Discussing a subject is in the realm of freedom of speech. I do not do anything more than talk about the events which are on this forum. But then you would have a problem with the freedom of speech,as you define it as only sayign what is popular and not those who see it differntly.

IN any case what does criticizing nasty bloggers on this forum have to do with Not being a good citizn, who votes, pays taxes and goes about the business of taking freedom of speech seriously.

You have a problem with freedom of speech. If the nazis are allowed to march and spread their hatred, and people are not allowed to criticize what they see wrong in the world then there is no freedom of speech, because freedom of speech means all speech not just the speech you agree with.

CAre to ask he Supreme court about that?

good morning to all you Russia lovers, sing along, it´ll help you during your miserable days !
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I`ve recognize Holodomor as AUTOgenocide in Ukr. & Rus. Who has provide Holodomor? Americans? Germans? Jews?
Or may be... russians and ukraines?

Swandiver wrote:

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Moscow paid all of its genociders to commit the Holodomor.
Their dubious ethnicities are irrelevant.
They were all Russia's agents of colonialism in Ukraine.
Russia is accountable for the Holodomor genocide in Ukraine..

OK, let us agree that everybody who is guilty of something is a Russian anr Russia is accountable for any crime in Ukraine.

Conference & Exhibit
"Breaking the Silence on the Unknown Genocide"
September 12-13, 2008
Cervantes Institute - 31 West Ohio Street - Chicago, IL

75th Anniversary -Ukrainian Genocide-Holodomor
Commemoration Committee - Chicago


"HOLODOMOR"- Ukrainian term for "death by starvation"
Ukrainians refer to the Genocide of 1932-1933 as the Holodomor. The term "genocide" was not introduced into language until 1947.

The Chicago Ukrainian community is participating with Ukrainians around the world in a year-long education and commemoration campaign on the 75th anniversary of the tragic genocide-famine that claimed the lives of up to 10 million Ukrainians in 1932-1933

Learn more about this little-known genocide-by-decree at a two-day event,“Breaking the Silence on the Unknown Genocide,” September 12 and 13, at the Cervantes Institute, 31 W. Ohio, Chicago.

Organized by the 75th Anniversary Ukrainian Genocide-Holodomor Commemoration Committee—Chicago, an umbrella organization of the city’s many Ukrainian constituencies, the event includes includes an opening program, exhibit and reception on Friday, and a conference on Saturday. Segments of a feature-length documentary about the famine, currently being produced in Hollywood , will be shown by its director Bobby Leigh and producer Marta Tomkiw.

Both days will feature an exhibition of documents, period photographs, eyewitness accounts and archival material. The exhibition features 35 posters created by the Ukraine 3000 International Charitable Foundation, chaired by Ukraine’s First Lady and former Chicagoan Kateryna Yushchenko. It provides graphic documentation of the famine-genocide.

On Friday evening, an abbreviated version of the first feature-length documentary about the famine, currently being produced in Hollywood, will be shown by its director, Bobby Leigh. The reception and film screening will be held from 7 to 9 p.m.

On Saturday, the conference features presentations by Dr. Volodymyr Chumachenko, University of Illinois, Champaign, Dr. Lubomyr Luciuk, of the Royal Military College of Canada, Kingston, ON, and Nigel Linsan Colley, grand-nephew of Welsh journalist Gareth Jones who witnessed the Ukrainian Famine Genocide and exposed it to the free world in his writings at the time.

The presenters will discuss the decades-long suppression of information about the genocide and the information uncovered in the recent unsealing of secret Soviet Union archives that corroborates the genocide. The conference is scheduled for 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.

Join academics, human rights advocates, famine survivors, interested Chicagoans and others for this important commemoration.

Parking is available in Grand Plaza Parking Garage (entrances on Grand or Ohio) for $6. Please bring your parking ticket to the registration desk for validation.

For questions, email: holodomor.chicago@gmail.com

http://www.ukrainiangenocide.com/Chicago_Conf...

Swandiver wrote:

Conference & Exhibit
"Breaking the Silence on the Unknown Genocide"
September 12-13, 2008
Cervantes Institute - 31 West Ohio Street - Chicago, IL
75th Anniversary -Ukrainian Genocide-Holodomor
Commemoration Committee - Chicago
"HOLODOMOR"- Ukrainian term for "death by starvation"
Ukrainians refer to the Genocide of 1932-1933 as the Holodomor. The term "genocide" was not introduced into language until 1947.
The Chicago Ukrainian community is participating with Ukrainians around the world in a year-long education and commemoration campaign on the 75th anniversary of the tragic genocide-famine that claimed the lives of up to 10 million Ukrainians in 1932-1933.
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And what did you wanted to say by this? That dances on bones of Holodonor victims are going on? Any unbiassed investigater will tell you that the number of Holodonor deaths was several times lower that 10 millions. It was terrible, but far from these made up 10 millions. Doing this is shameless disrespect of the memory of Holodonor victims.

Stefanya they never took the right of the free press away in America as they did in Russia. Big difference. That covers all your points.

JohnK wrote:

Stefanya they never took the right of the free press away in America as they did in Russia. Big difference. That covers all your points.

This is not a black and white question and no simple answer. This is a lazy mans answer and you are wrong.

JohnK wrote:

Stefanya they never took the right of the free press away in America as they did in Russia. Big difference. That covers all your points.

DOnt' take her bate. SHe is expecting you to write an essay so she can sink her teeth in it and degrade you as one with "limited understanding". dont' go for it. SHe is very ill individual looking for her daily fix. SHe doesn't keep conversations with those who agree with her. SHe is looking for a sucker to feed her sick obsession.

Its very hard for Russians who have never known democracy to understand the dynamics of democracy in Ukraine and Georgia.

Russians fear what they don't understand.

Russians hide behind the simplicity of neofascist authoritarianism.

Its much easier for Russians to understand one man rule --puffed-up, peacockish, psychopathic Putin's rule.

Democracy is dangerous to Russian imperialism.

Democracy is a protective factor for truth --and this is why the truth about the Holodomor---Russia's cunning genocide of colonialism--is finally being told.