US slams Uganda's new anti-gay bill

can you say war? lets just hope not...

what has USA done for gays recently?(don't ask-don't tell)

Gays should be left to live their lives. 10% of population everywhere is reckoned to be gay. By driving them underground will make things worse for all. accept the fact M7!

So many human rights violations going on in Uganda and the US hasn't been saying much. In the majority of cases, nothing. Then came the proposed homosexual bill. Now the US Embassy is out condemning it. Some people here have been thinking this is maybe because the US is a very sexy, the sexiest country on the globe? No?

Meli wrote:

So many human rights violations going on in Uganda and the US hasn't been saying much. In the majority of cases, nothing. Then came the proposed homosexual bill. Now the US Embassy is out condemning it. Some people here have been thinking this is maybe because the US is a very sexy, the sexiest country on the globe? No?

It is about universal human rights and not petty conflicts happening all over the world. Emnacipation in thinking and tolerance of minorities, no matter what in reality that minority happens to be.
We all can be minority of one sort or another. Those who were born as gays should have their own lives.

DAK wrote:

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It is about universal human rights and not petty conflicts happening all over the world. Emnacipation in thinking and tolerance of minorities, no matter what in reality that minority happens to be.
We all can be minority of one sort or another. Those who were born as gays should have their own lives.

I don't think it's okay when the majority is being victimised either. Child sacrifice is all I have to say to you. Sometimes when we don't know what we are talking about, it's okay to zip it.

Yes, there are many human rights abuses that haven't been commented upon, which have been going on in Uganda for far too long. These crimes against humanity have been perpetrated unofficially by the government and by a number of different groups in the country ever since independence. What makes this instance different is that the government is trying to give official sanction to a genocidal policy aimed at a powerless group of people who simply want to live their lives as who they were created to be. They aren't a threat to to the state or society but yet the government is hell bent on rounding them up and exterminating them as a side show distraction to that nation's very real problems. I am proud that our government and our ambassador found the voice to call this legislation the evil that it actually is.

Uganda is a very conservative country and will not bend backwards to accommodate gays. USA should talk about the riots, poverty, corruption and stop supporting of the Uganda dictator.

Rick in Kansas wrote:

Yes, there are many human rights abuses that haven't been commented upon, which have been going on in Uganda for far too long. These crimes against humanity have been perpetrated unofficially by the government and by a number of different groups in the country ever since independence. What makes this instance different is that the government is trying to give official sanction to a genocidal policy aimed at a powerless group of people who simply want to live their lives as who they were created to be. They aren't a threat to to the state or society but yet the government is hell bent on rounding them up and exterminating them as a side show distraction to that nation's very real problems. I am proud that our government and our ambassador found the voice to call this legislation the evil that it actually is.

Murdering people for their sexual orientation is evil indeed. No doubt about that. But if a crime if committed in the USA, does it have to be "official" to be recognized as one? Remember it's committed - committed, past tense. Apart from that, many laws that violate human rights have been passed and others are on the table in Uganda. So it's sort of strange or should I say wierd? that the USA Embassy has only found it's voice for the homosexuality cause. Nevertheless, Iam happy for you that you really feel happy for your Embassy. But I would think no one is more powerless than little babies, whether one murders them "officially" or not.

kizito wrote:

Uganda is a very conservative country and will not bend backwards to accommodate gays. USA should talk about the riots, poverty, corruption and stop supporting of the Uganda dictator.

Sad that you support M7 on thsi! I can expect the crazy Meli to do so. I do not support in your face publicising of gays but I do support their right to their lives without legal prosecution.

Let us no confuse other crimes not being tackled with the universal rights of all citizens to be enshrined in the national laws.

Children's rights, women's rights, rights of the disabled, homosexual rights, so many right for many groups of humanity. All Iam saying right now is that children need protection more that homosexuals. Homosexuals can run for their lives, look they have their cause in the papers here, and many of them are here speaking out for their kind. But even homosexuals are children first. Passing the wrong kind of bills is bad, but it's not at all different from not passing one when it's much needed. Or having the authorities look the other way or take part like in molesting and sacrificing, and kidnapping children. I think that makes my point more clear for the judgmental lot.

Court Orders Uganda Police To Produce 14 Year Old Muganda Girl They Abducted
Posted on 20 September 2009

Justice Musoke Kibuuka has ordered the chief of Uganda police, military man Maj. Gen. Kale Kayihura, to produce Jane Nakambugu, a 14 year old Muganda girl who was abducted from her home by a police woman on September 1, 2009. The order requires Kayihura to produce Nakambugu in court by September 24, 2009.

According to Jane’s parents, Yowasi Kalega and Esther Nakayiwa, their daughter was taken without explanation from her home in Kasana, Bulemeezi county, by a police woman and locked up at Kiwoko police station.

Jane’s parents told the judge that they followed their daughter and her abductor to Kiwoko police station to get the facts were told to come back after their daughter made a statement. They returned on September 3, only to be told that their daughter has been freed the day before. Suspicious of the police behavior, the distraught parents run to Justice Kibuuka’s court to plead for their daughter’s life.

It is not yet clear why the Kiwoko police, notorious among the locals for its high corruption, would abduct a 14 year old child in a style that was fashionable during dictator Idi Amin’s regime.

The girl is still missing.
Source Bugandapost.

Meli wrote:

Court Orders Uganda Police To Produce 14 Year Old Muganda Girl They Abducted
Posted on 20 September 2009
Justice Musoke Kibuuka has ordered the chief of Uganda police, military man Maj. Gen. Kale Kayihura, to produce Jane Nakambugu, a 14 year old Muganda girl who was abducted from her home by a police woman on September 1, 2009. The order requires Kayihura to produce Nakambugu in court by September 24, 2009.
According to Jane’s parents, Yowasi Kalega and Esther Nakayiwa, their daughter was taken without explanation from her home in Kasana, Bulemeezi county, by a police woman and locked up at Kiwoko police station.
Jane’s parents told the judge that they followed their daughter and her abductor to Kiwoko police station to get the facts were told to come back after their daughter made a statement. They returned on September 3, only to be told that their daughter has been freed the day before. Suspicious of the police behavior, the distraught parents run to Justice Kibuuka’s court to plead for their daughter’s life.
It is not yet clear why the Kiwoko police, notorious among the locals for its high corruption, would abduct a 14 year old child in a style that was fashionable during dictator Idi Amin’s regime.
The girl is still missing.
Source Bugandapost.

Why confuse policies and laws with the implementation of current laws? Yes, the police and the judicial system should implement the laws on the book. That is why it is important to scrutinise the need of any new law!
It is then quite another thing for the government to introduce homophobic laws and for the educated lot not to object to these laws. There should not be homo friendly or homophobic laws. Period.

they SHOULD be trying to reduce number of deaths in black countries they had better get vaccines to south africa, GOD allows anti christ's revolution

Why is the US slamming it? I think the US should adopt an Anti-Homosexuality Bill as well.

Way to go Uganda!

DAK wrote:

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Why confuse policies and laws with the implementation of current laws? Yes, the police and the judicial system should implement the laws on the book. That is why it is important to scrutinise the need of any new law!
It is then quite another thing for the government to introduce homophobic laws and for the educated lot not to object to these laws. There should not be homo friendly or homophobic laws. Period.

To be frank with you Dak, I don't really enjoy your posts because they lack commonsense. If a country failed to protect children, how do you expect it to protect grown with a certain sexual orientation? The American Embassy is down in Uganda and sure knows what's going on. They said the Ugandan government's passing of their homosexual bill will mark a major set back in the promotion of human rights. What promotion of human rights? And consequently what set back? For anyone who thinks like Dak, I pray to God there is no other, you should feel comfort in the fact that, since there are any laws that protect children, which don't get implemented, why do you think the homosexual law will be? Uganda's problem is not homosexual rights, it's human rights period.

William Ormond wrote:

Why is the US slamming it? I think the US should adopt an Anti-Homosexuality Bill as well.
Way to go Uganda!

and i think you should jump of a cliff

I will piggy back on what most folks are saying other than DAK. There are way to many basic issues in Uganda that need addressing least of which is people interested in having same sex relationships. Note that I am staying away from the word gay or homosexuals because 100 percent of langagues spoken in Uganda don't even have a native equivalent word for gays etc. I was in Kampala recently and saw for the first time the same sex movement in action. Honestly they are such a small percentage it beggers why of all things going wrong in the country, they are being discussed in Uganda or on this forum. Which includes me; anyway I will continue for the sake of a healthy converstaion. The reason why they are being discussed, is that they parade alot around the top end of town where government big wigs relax afer work and hence the problem at hand. So for those Ugandans who've been away for ages and are wondering what the heck is happening at home? Don't worry, the same sex issue is a side show to draw attention away from the real issues and to reinforce the existance of traditional relationships as paramount in Uganda an nothing less.
As for the US embassy's comments, it goes to show how mispalced their priorities are when it comes to speaking out on issues, unless as you may all appreciate, some genius is running the rumor mill and distorting what the embassy said.
But then again why even wonder what the USA embassy is saying about a minority group and nothing about women? To me this comes as no suprise becasue up to now am confused as to whay a nation continues to dole out money to other countries when they have millions of their own citizens living in conditions no different from some African countries?
And last but not least, DAK, until when women are afforded similar rights both at a political and social level, then rights for those keen on same sex relationships will not happen in our life time to put it mildly.
If you live overseas, you will appreciate the influence of women on the abolition of all kinds of discrimination. So maybe start working on helping our sister before worrying about poofs.

bwaise wrote:

I will piggy back on what most folks are saying other than DAK. There are way to many basic issues in Uganda that need addressing least of which is people interested in having same sex relationships. Note that I am staying away from the word gay or homosexuals because 100 percent of langagues spoken in Uganda don't even have a native equivalent word for gays etc. I was in Kampala recently and saw for the first time the same sex movement in action. Honestly they are such a small percentage it beggers why of all things going wrong in the country, they are being discussed in Uganda or on this forum. Which includes me; anyway I will continue for the sake of a healthy converstaion. The reason why they are being discussed, is that they parade alot around the top end of town where government big wigs relax afer work and hence the problem at hand. So for those Ugandans who've been away for ages and are wondering what the heck is happening at home? Don't worry, the same sex issue is a side show to draw attention away from the real issues and to reinforce the existance of traditional relationships as paramount in Uganda an nothing less.
As for the US embassy's comments, it goes to show how mispalced their priorities are when it comes to speaking out on issues, unless as you may all appreciate, some genius is running the rumor mill and distorting what the embassy said.
But then again why even wonder what the USA embassy is saying about a minority group and nothing about women? To me this comes as no suprise becasue up to now am confused as to whay a nation continues to dole out money to other countries when they have millions of their own citizens living in conditions no different from some African countries?
And last but not least, DAK, until when women are afforded similar rights both at a political and social level, then rights for those keen on same sex relationships will not happen in our life time to put it mildly.
If you live overseas, you will appreciate the influence of women on the abolition of all kinds of discrimination. So maybe start working on helping our sister before worrying about poofs.

Are you sure that you are not feeling insecure in your hetereo sexuality? 10% or more of Ugandans are gay/lesbians, whether you like it or not!

Ugandan consitution enshrines rights of men and women and every citizen. Then according to you the gays then are not citizens!

Let us not confuse the treatment of women with their rights.

Many African are behaving the same as the West Indian blacks used to about the gay issue in the UK.

Ugandan government then is using the issue for political purposes. Gay bashing is often popular like the death penalty.

I can recall that the first President of Zimbabawe was very vocal against gays and their rights. He wanted to prosecute them. Then, using his position of power, he raped the the male aide in his office. The male aide was not even gay! Do you reacall him? His name was President Banana. This is waht happens when the gays are swept under the carpet.

Uganda? Are you serious? Who gives s sh!t what that shithole country does about gays or anything else for that matter. That country is irrelevant. In more ways than one.