Reanimation of Treaty of Sevres

The former ambassador of Armenia to Canada Ara Papyan believes that there are all prerequisites for establishing legal protectorate over historical Armenian lands in the territory of Turkey. He says that Armenia should address the UN courts.“Our country should seek to attain the acknowledgement of the Treaty of Sevres as this is the only document signed by the Armenian authorities at the time when Armenia was a subject of the international law,” says Papyan.“If the international community recognizes Armenia’s legal protectorate over a part of the territory of present-day Turkey, Armenia will get access to the transit routes running via its historical lands and will also be able to sue British Petroleum for its failure to coordinate with the Armenian Government the construction of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline,” says Papyan.(ArmInfo).

“Ara Papyan’s approach is quite realistic,” says the “Armenian Cause” officer of the ARFD Bureau Kiro Manoyan.“Article 89 of the Treaty of Sevres empowered US President Woodrow Wilson to draw a border between Armenia and Turkey and he gave Armenia a territory of 160,000 sq km,” says Manoyan.

The biggest mistake on MKA's behalf, was his cockiness that Armenians were not to be represented in any way during the Loussanne conferrence. He must have thought or was reassured that they were to remain as a Soviet sattelite till eternity! And there was no USSR signing the Lausanne treaty either. The only treaty Turkey falls on is the Kars treaty and it has lost its legality long ago because it has never been ratified periocically by Armenia as should have been as per the treaty conditions.
So which border are we talking about now?

When treaties are signed they become binding and legally valid!

Very good dandiker. I made a copy of your post to me for sharing with everbody here who is claming Armenian are peaceful people and no claim in Turkish soil. When I explain them, they think that this is my opinion. Now they will see the truth from the mouth of an Armenian who is living in Turkiye, eating Turkish bread. I thank you very much for this opportunity that is very rearly comes to the surface.

Now my reply to your post; When I put two dogs together, they bark to everybody passing through the street. Because they think that they are together and strong. But they forget that I own them and I hold their chain. My dogs dandiker and vatikan, bark freely. Today you have permission...

Dander wrote:

The former ambassador of Armenia to Canada Ara Papyan believes that there are all prerequisites for establishing legal protectorate over historical Armenian lands in the territory of Turkey. He says that Armenia should address the UN courts.“Our country should seek to attain the acknowledgement of the Treaty of Sevres as this is the only document signed by the Armenian authorities at the time when Armenia was a subject of the international law,” says Papyan.“If the international community recognizes Armenia’s legal protectorate over a part of the territory of present-day Turkey, Armenia will get access to the transit routes running via its historical lands and will also be able to sue British Petroleum for its failure to coordinate with the Armenian Government the construction of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline,” says Papyan.(ArmInfo).
“Ara Papyan’s approach is quite realistic,” says the “Armenian Cause” officer of the ARFD Bureau Kiro Manoyan.“Article 89 of the Treaty of Sevres empowered US President Woodrow Wilson to draw a border between Armenia and Turkey and he gave Armenia a territory of 160,000 sq km,” says Manoyan.
The biggest mistake on MKA's behalf, was his cockiness that Armenians were not to be represented in any way during the Loussanne conferrence. He must have thought or was reassured that they were to remain as a Soviet sattelite till eternity! And there was no USSR signing the Lausanne treaty either. The only treaty Turkey falls on is the Kars treaty and it has lost its legality long ago because it has never been ratified periocically by Armenia as should have been as per the treaty conditions.
So which border are we talking about now?

Atilla Han wrote:

Very good dandiker. I made a copy of your post to me for sharing with everbody here who is claming Armenian are peaceful people and no claim in Turkish soil. When I explain them, they think that this is my opinion. Now they will see the truth from the mouth of an Armenian who is living in Turkiye, eating Turkish bread. I thank you very much for this opportunity that is very rearly comes to the surface.
Now my reply to your post; When I put two dogs together, they bark to everybody passing through the street. Because they think that they are together and strong. But they forget that I own them and I hold their chain. My dogs dandiker and vatikan, bark freely. Today you have permission...
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You think that you are achieving something by calling us dogs?

No, this was not for achieving something. I call you with your names...

vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>You think that you are achieving something by calling us dogs?

Atilla Han wrote:

No, this was not for achieving something. I call you with your names...
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Hard Turk or his lover.

Look I am against the idea that treaty of Sevres should be implemented now. But Turkey must return at least mount Ararat, and acess to the ruins of Ani, since they are small territories and dont respresent anyting significant for Turkish peoples.

Vazgen I wrote:

Look I am against the idea that treaty of Sevres should be implemented now. But Turkey must return at least mount Ararat, and acess to the ruins of Ani, since they are small territories and dont respresent anyting significant for Turkish peoples.

I think you've forgotten the "Kardak" crisis...

Greeks put their flag on a small (20 m2) island on Aegean sea, 12 years ago ... And we sent the army.

Agri (province where Ararat is) is located on the way leading to Azerbaïjan; it has a very important position.

Armenian should return Karabakh and the South of modern Armenia.

And yes, Armenian (including its population) is smaller than the province of SAMSUN ...
And take into account that you've 81 provinces in total in Turkey...

We do not care you street dog! How you make love with dander? Sure DOG POSITION!

vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>Hard Turk or his lover.

Ha ha ha! I did not know that there is a funny Armenian!

Vazgen I wrote:

Look I am against the idea that treaty of Sevres should be implemented now. But Turkey must return at least mount Ararat, and acess to the ruins of Ani, since they are small territories and dont respresent anyting significant for Turkish peoples.

The reason Turkey cannot open the border now is due only her realisation of her fault in recognising Armenian republic without fully understanding the legal implications of her recognition.
When you recognise an entity that means you recognise their constitution. Once you do there has to be a legal reason after the act of recognition that changes the stand. The excuse Turkey was looking for to get out of the mess she created by recognising AR was given by the NK conflict between AR and AZ, But legally this does not constitutes a reason for Turkey to walk out of her recognition of AR other than closing a border which has no international meaning and ratification.
Therefore presurring AR by imposing an economical blockade is to bring the border issue to the fore and expecting AR to negotiate the opening of a border which does not exist. If this happens TR will have a legal document saying that AR agrees on the existence of the line as TR sees it!
So The NK conflict, in a way, is created and supported by TR as a tool for her own ends.
Every man and his dog has really got a lot of thinking to do before saying anything about a lasting peace, Because Lossanne is a hollow treaty.

You are speaking too much but not telling something. So why you write too long? You can be meanless by writing shorter and do not take our time.

Dander wrote:

The reason Turkey cannot open the border now is due only her realisation of her fault in recognising Armenian republic without fully understanding the legal implications of her recognition.
When you recognise an entity that means you recognise their constitution. Once you do there has to be a legal reason after the act of recognition that changes the stand. The excuse Turkey was looking for to get out of the mess she created by recognising AR was given by the NK conflict between AR and AZ, But legally this does not constitutes a reason for Turkey to walk out of her recognition of AR other than closing a border which has no international meaning and ratification.
Therefore presurring AR by imposing an economical blockade is to bring the border issue to the fore and expecting AR to negotiate the opening of a border which does not exist. If this happens TR will have a legal document saying that AR agrees on the existence of the line as TR sees it!
So The NK conflict, in a way, is created and supported by TR as a tool for her own ends.
Every man and his dog has really got a lot of thinking to do before saying anything about a lasting peace, Because Lossanne is a hollow treaty.

Attila Han wrote:

You are speaking too much but not telling something. So why you write too long? You can be meanless by writing shorter and do not take our time.
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I am afraid legal issues are a bit complicated for a street pro to grasp, but there are others who understand what is written.

Dander wrote:

The reason Turkey cannot open the border now is due only her realisation of her fault in recognising Armenian republic without fully understanding the legal implications of her recognition.
When you recognise an entity that means you recognise their constitution. Once you do there has to be a legal reason after the act of recognition that changes the stand. The excuse Turkey was looking for to get out of the mess she created by recognising AR was given by the NK conflict between AR and AZ, But legally this does not constitutes a reason for Turkey to walk out of her recognition of AR other than closing a border which has no international meaning and ratification.
Therefore presurring AR by imposing an economical blockade is to bring the border issue to the fore and expecting AR to negotiate the opening of a border which does not exist. If this happens TR will have a legal document saying that AR agrees on the existence of the line as TR sees it!
So The NK conflict, in a way, is created and supported by TR as a tool for her own ends.
Every man and his dog has really got a lot of thinking to do before saying anything about a lasting peace, Because Lossanne is a hollow treaty.

What is Lossanne Treaty? You mean Treaty of Lausanne?

By the way, the Trety of Sevres was never ratified by the Ottoman Parliament since that legal institution was illegally and forecefully abolished by the Allied forces on 18th of March 1920.

So, in a sense, that Serves Treaty is as legal as the toilet paper you use after posting this forum.

Volga Bolgar wrote:

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What is Lossanne Treaty? You mean Treaty of Lausanne?
By the way, the Trety of Sevres was never ratified by the Ottoman Parliament since that legal institution was illegally and forecefully abolished by the Allied forces on 18th of March 1920.
So, in a sense, that Serves Treaty is as legal as the toilet paper you use after posting this forum.

You are a brainy person but it did not come out this time.
Sorry for the spelling mistakes of the title of a defunct treaty, it does not make it more important though.

Dander come back my girl! Dander dander geh geh geh! catch the bone!

Dander wrote:

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You are a brainy person but it did not come out this time.
Sorry for the spelling mistakes of the title of a defunct treaty, it does not make it more important though.

Attila Han wrote:

Dander come back my girl! Dander dander geh geh geh! catch the bone!
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I guess Hard Turk has you well trained heh?

Really who? You are making here 'korlar sagirlar birbirini agirlar' between diaspora members. Please show me who takes care of what you said except diaspora members?

Dander wrote:

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I am afraid legal issues are a bit complicated for a street pro to grasp, but there are others who understand what is written.

Dander wrote:

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You are a brainy person but it did not come out this time.
Sorry for the spelling mistakes of the title of a defunct treaty, it does not make it more important though.

Spelling mistake is no problem, the problem is the mindset that promotes reincarnation of a dead treaty, which was illegally enforced by some criminal imperialist powers.

Volga Bolgar wrote:

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Spelling mistake is no problem, the problem is the mindset that promotes reincarnation of a dead treaty, which was illegally enforced by some criminal imperialist powers.

Explain then who gives Turks the right to occupy Armenian lands? The Wilson treaty MUST be accepted.

The whole world knows that Ararat = Armenia ...even God!