Russia/Georgia and Turkey/Cyprus

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Andreas wrote:

The simalarities are nearly the same,devide two communities,not that hard to do,its easy to divide two brothers let alone a community with different religion and culture.Turkey was right in comming to the aid of the Cypriot muslims and restoring the rightfull government of Cyprus as the then Turkish president said,and then leaving.The problem is they stayed like it was agreed in march when England Turkey and Greece agreed to divide the island when they had the meating in Portugal in march,the problem with the plan was that the Junta government of Greece fell and democracy was restored.Now thousands of people were killed on both sides,thousands were misplaced from the homes,the chess masters and i am talking about the Americans and the British,with there puppets Greece and Turkey,not talking about the general populations but the governments can all go to HELL.

Andreas wrote:

The simalarities are nearly the same,devide two communities,not that hard to do,its easy to divide two brothers let alone a community with different religion and culture.Turkey was right in comming to the aid of the Cypriot muslims and restoring the rightfull government of Cyprus as the then Turkish president said,and then leaving.The problem is they stayed like it was agreed in march when England Turkey and Greece agreed to divide the island when they had the meating in Portugal in march,the problem with the plan was that the Junta government of Greece fell and democracy was restored.Now thousands of people were killed on both sides,thousands were misplaced from the homes,the chess masters and i am talking about the Americans and the British,with there puppets Greece and Turkey,not talking about the general populations but the governments can all go to HELL.

Selim III wrote:

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Good post indeed.

Andreas wrote:

<quoted text>The truth is the truth,with no distortions my friend.

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Chief Investment Officer wrote:

Turks were never a majority or concentrated in any region of Cyprus. The occupied areas today are a result of ethnic cleansing. Can the same be said about the Ossetians ?

Volga Bolgar wrote:

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By 1810 the Russians were in control of Ossetia but could not prevent the Ossetians from rising from time to time until 1850, with a massive revolt in 1842. With Shamyl captured in 1859 and the Circassian tribes defeated in 1864 the 100 years lasting struggle against Russian imperialism was over and Russia was in control of the Caucasus. The Russians, not confident of future obedience of the Caucasians decided to force them to leave and in 1865 1,2 million Caucasians including 3,000 Ossetian families left to settle in the Ottoman empire.
http://www.ossetia.net/caucasus/history/index...
It is ironic that Russia acts as if she cares about the Ossetians now, just like the way you talk about the ethnic cleansing campaigns in Cyprus.

Dander wrote:

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Looks like you are in a rock and a hard place Mr. Bolgar. Are you for the self determination of the small nations or should they be crushed by their rulers as happened before?

Volga Bolgar wrote:

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I am for complete withdrawal of the Russians from Caucasus as prerequisite, and I am for the peaceful and respectful cooperation amongst all Caucasian nations and peoples.

Dander wrote:

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Surely you must be for Turkey too to withdraw from western Armenia to complete the picture and make it more respectable, don't you say so?

Volga Bolgar wrote:

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There is no such thing like Western Armenia. Armenians already have their nation state. Most Caucasian nations do not have such luxury and still live under terrorist administration of Russia. If Turks would bear some similar mentality like yours, then Turks might claim back half of the lands controlled by Russia, but you know how they call such "pan" peoples, I reckon.

Dander wrote:

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I continuously monitor TRT base programmes and there is no hiding for such "pan turkic" desires over the area in question. I am sure The Russians are also monitoring these tendencies with growing interest.

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OzPlatinum wrote:

Move out of Western Armenia, but stay in Kurdistan, do every thing you can to crush, or at least sabotage Autonomos Kurdiah reagon in Iraq, Keep Eskandron and behind Curtian encourge AZri Turks to sabotage Iran, do same on Greece and then expect peace , happiniess and money and shish kabob showering dawn on Turkey from the sky

OzPlatinum wrote:

Move out of Western Armenia, but stay in Kurdistan, do every thing you can to crush, or at least sabotage Autonomos Kurdiah reagon in Iraq, Keep Eskandron and behind Curtian encourge AZri Turks to sabotage Iran, do same on Greece and then expect peace , happiniess and money and shish kabob showering dawn on Turkey from the sky

Volga Bolgar wrote:

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First, there is no such thing like Western Armenia.
Second, there is no doubt that Kurdistan will be independent, but not the one that is intended as a satellite to the USA, Israel, but the one that will cooperate with Turkey, Iran and Syria.
Third, one of the last things that Turkey wants could be sabotaging Iran. By the way, Iran and Turkey do not have serious problems since the 16th Century.
Fourth, Greece is not an "Euro-Angel" (if there is such thing!) as witnessed during Cyprus, Kosova and Bosnia conflicts. Thus, the Greek attitude targeting the Macedonians does not seem so peaceful to me.

OzPlatinum wrote:

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Actualy I leaned from Archieve othman and from Professor Gokalpan , SONA washnigton based Scoller( NAME IS NOT ACCURATE)That
Othman invadede Iran all the way tell the Armistics of 1918 .This inculdes but not limitted to engaging Russian in combat inside Iran.
^The map of Iran shown by A Professor /Harvard named Ezidi/ Eziedi shows how Iran shrinks in all directions , but pick up in Western part , the Othman side around the Reign Of Hussian Qulikhan prince of the Lurs around 1880 and ion , also read Lord Curzon voyag thru persia.
( Plenty of info in the Othman Archieve regarding Hussian Qulikhan)
IN Iran Sacred Defense Turkish Airforce bombed the Hell out Iranian forces any time Sadaam army was facing in danger of collaps ,and I do not consider this history ,because it is so recent
The Meth of no war between Turke and Iran is a good one , so lets keep it !