Armenian Body In Switzerland Wary Of Talks With Turkey

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ArmeNyan wrote:

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There are 10 000 years old stone writings relics of Turks in Anatolia??? No one in the world has such long history. Did you learn that from the INVENTED 3 volume comprehensive turkish history published by order of Ataturk? Then you must also believe that turks are Arian people originated from the Alpine region of Europe. You don't know your own history. Invasion of Seljuk turks of Anatolia began in the 11th century and was completed by the 15th century. In between during Mongol invasion Seljuk turks fell into 3 different tribes with one headed by Osman. He succeeded by taking over the other two tribes and his people were called after him Osmanli or Ottoman in western world.

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Reality Check wrote:

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Let's see if your president will have the guts and "grandeur" to accept the invitation to the match.
I agree with you that peace must prevail NOW and not in a century...but if most of the pop is like the "Serkan, Furkan, semih" variety....GOOD LUCK in reeducating your people to be more tolerant and accept the mistakes of the past...just like any mature nation would do.
The part that hurts us most is when Turks accuse us of killings when it was self-defense and as if we were the domimant power back then.
Don't forget that the 200,000 Armenians killed around Van in 1894 was in all the Armenians' memories in 1915.
We didn't betray anybody. Turks sound like Serbs in this case (with the ethnic cleansings as well, etc). We were like a kosovo in 1915 but without a NATO interviening. End result: 1.5 million killed, 0.5 mil survivors and less than 1 mil survivors later in Armenian SSR and NK.
This is why Turks have to take the first step and say "sorry"...at least! After that, we'll be ready for peace, VERY RAPIDLY! You said it, we are a tolerent people...but also very, very proud.

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Reality Check wrote:

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heheh...and Turkey will be smashed by Russia!
You get involved in the AZ conflict then turks will have all of CIS on their back...even though after seeing turkey in action against kurds...we know we can even handle you alone. Just ask the azeris about us...150 thousand NK Armenians kicked the asses of 7 million azeris. Do the math!

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Ali T wrote:

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Fair enough..
i understand your pain and the seemingly injustice of the ways of the world then and now.If it makes it any easier i already apologiosed for the massacres and already keep trying to ensure a tolerance between us but i cannot do it alone as even before anew comer starts posting on these forums from Turkey,irrespective of the opinion they have;tye stereotyping immediately comes to fore..so maybe you should help too by trying to educate your people in the way that they should address us Turks..if we don`t want to get stuck in the past
maybe some pointers here will help;
Turks will never accept massacres as Genocide as it is against our nature to be genocidal as the entire Turkic culture is one of hospitality and social help-although not much of it these days with the advent of the infamous american imperialism,Maybe the way forward to be thus; you accept that we are not the same teocratic ottomans but a newly formed,operated republic-the only one in the eastern borders of the EU and hence should be recognised as such..an apology for the massacres by thre Turkish government;possible but only after the events are recogniseD as massacres then of course.
I am also hopeful that tha future is bright-irrespective of all the rhetoric flies about here-
and without the input from diaspora the relationships would be much easier to condust,but they seem to have a desire to continue this conflict in the hope of a utopic outcome.

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Hard Turk wrote:

<quoted text>Do you understand Turkish?I will give you links in Turkish.

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ArmeNyan wrote:

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No I don't but I trust you didn't make it up. You either didn't understand or whoever wrote didn't clarify that 10,000 years ago not just Turks weren't present in Anatolia but any of the ethnicities that exist today haven't been formed.

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Reality Check wrote:

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Fair enough as well!
(I'll reply to your posts soon. I'm working my ass off...too freakin' busy to even enjoy my summer properly...pffff....that's life I guess!)

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Hard Turk wrote:

<quoted text>There are some Turkish scientists who claims 16 thousand years ago there was a Turkish union of Turkish states.Sumerian known to exists 5000B.C had 800 common words with Turks,their language was agglutinating as Turk's.
That is why I gave you the example:
Human= Adam (in Turkish)
Remember prophet Adam?First man to ever exist?He was a Turk.

Ali T wrote:

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Fair enough..
i understand your pain and the seemingly injustice of the ways of the world then and now.If it makes it any easier i already apologiosed for the massacres and already keep trying to ensure a tolerance between us but i cannot do it alone as even before anew comer starts posting on these forums from Turkey,irrespective of the opinion they have;tye stereotyping immediately comes to fore..so maybe you should help too by trying to educate your people in the way that they should address us Turks..if we don`t want to get stuck in the past
maybe some pointers here will help;
Turks will never accept massacres as Genocide as it is against our nature to be genocidal as the entire Turkic culture is one of hospitality and social help-although not much of it these days with the advent of the infamous american imperialism,Maybe the way forward to be thus; you accept that we are not the same teocratic ottomans but a newly formed,operated republic-the only one in the eastern borders of the EU and hence should be recognised as such..an apology for the massacres by thre Turkish government;possible but only after the events are recogniseD as massacres then of course.
I am also hopeful that tha future is bright-irrespective of all the rhetoric flies about here-
and without the input from diaspora the relationships would be much easier to condust,but they seem to have a desire to continue this conflict in the hope of a utopic outcome.

ArmeNyan wrote:

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Ali, you understand that saying "Turks will never accept massacres as Genocide as it is against our nature to be genocidal as the entire Turkic culture is one of hospitality and social help" is the same as to say this man is not guilty of murder despite that there are witnesses, fingerprints, DNA, images and other evidence proving his crime just because this man..doesn't look like murderer, because he has innocent baby face. It's like if you say Germans are very civilized nation and therefore they could've not committed genocide of Jews, there was no holocaust. That's what we call Turkish logic, that's why we cant understand each other.

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vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>excellent!

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Atilla Han wrote:

To ArmeNyan;
Most of the Turks critise Ottoman for having other nations at top of the management. This was what made Armenian richer and more powerful than Turks were in Ottoman. Armenians were very highly regarded people in Ottoman till early 1900s. When you agreed with mainly France and English to hit Ottoman from back side, it started to change and this was very normal for every nations worldwide. You attacted innocient families with no one to protect them and killed hundred thousands of them with their babies. This was the first bad incident between Ottoman ( because Ottoman was not Turks only ) and Armenian. Then Ottoman forced by you to send troops back from frontiers to East Anatolia although their hands were full with everyone. As there was no time to find and separate the gangs who was in the normal Armenian people,( which proves normal Armenian also supported them at least ) they decided to force them to move to south arab land for a limited time. Because they did not plan to lose war and they calculated that they will bring you back when the war finishes. But clearly Armenian suffered a lot cassulties on the way, not just because of the difficult moving conditions but also by the gangs attack on the way. Most of these gangs were also Armenian and Kurds. After 1970s Armenia officialy started a bad propaganda campaign against Turkiye ( who is not Ottoman actualy but a state that separated from Ottoman like Armenia ) and on the other way they started official terrorism called asala. Maybe this was the first official terrorist group that supported by a state called Armenia and unofficialy supported by France government who was actualy guilty for what happened in 1915. Continuining terrorism and propaganda for tens of years, normaly caused a rise in tension against Armenia in Turkiye and caused Hirant Dink was murdered by terrorists after his insulting article against Turkish nation on his newspaper. Hirant Dink was not right to insult Turks on a newspaper but he has got the right to write or speak whatever he thinks and if this is against the law, this problem must have compansated at courts. But killing Hirant for what he wrote is a pure terrorism. Asala was not back in 70s, they are still active and now your government using them to support PKK terrorists. You are still officialy supporting terrorism against Turkiye.
Turkiye captured, judged the murderers of Hirant and still questioning what and why happened and still some cases are contioning at courts. Hirant's family are speaking whatever they like on the press. Ordinary Turkish people protested heavily what happened to Hirant Dink.
Now I would like to hear your comments about your country? When a Turkish killed by Asala, did anyone walked through the street by shouting ' any of us are Turk, any of us are Mehmet', did anyone judge at your court and prisoned?, did anyone protest what happened from your government?
Didn't you even attacked Turkish Armenian journalists in your country just because they have different view than you have got?
If you like, do not teach me about history, it is best for all Armenian to continue to demagocy by using the sold puppets like French, Swiss, Austrian etc..

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ArmeNyan wrote:

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Don't believe in it, it's pseudoscience. The Sumerian language was extinct more than 3,000 years ago. The Sumerian civilization was located in southern Mesopotamia, south of Armenian Highlands. Their clay tablets that have been discovered show language has similarities with Urartian (proto Armenian) but that doesn't mean we are Sumerians. Your language is turkic and originated from Central Asia. It wasn't until Arabs had concurred you and converted to Islam and you eventually put your own man at the throne of caliphate that turks invaded Persia, Armenia and Byzantine in 11th century and after.

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ArmeNyan wrote:

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Ali, you understand that saying "Turks will never accept massacres as Genocide as it is against our nature to be genocidal as the entire Turkic culture is one of hospitality and social help" is the same as to say this man is not guilty of murder despite that there are witnesses, fingerprints, DNA, images and other evidence proving his crime just because this man..doesn't look like murderer, because he has innocent baby face. It's like if you say Germans are very civilized nation and therefore they could've not committed genocide of Jews, there was no holocaust. That's what we call Turkish logic, that's why we cant understand each other.

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<quoted text>No no no no...So wrong!
The westerners thought this way:
The Armenian lived in the lands of Uriatri (urartu).So there must be a link between them.Uriatri must be Ararat.So they must be pro- Armenian.
Nothing could be further than the truth.
Ur in Turkish means city.You could see the same Ur in Sumerian.The word urban in English comes from it.
1. pertaining to or characteristic of a city; living in a city; municipal. urban\ur"ban\, a.[l. urbanus belonging to the city or town, refined, polished, fr. urbs, urbis, a city: cf. f. urbain. cf. urbane.].
Notice refined-polished? Yea this is How Turks were known in the history.The bringer of civilization.
Even today Turks say wear your Urban(city dress) and lets go.
In Sumerian uruk (the most civilized Sumerian )were Turuk.
So Uriatri meant the City of atri.
Remember the word Ateism.It is God.
So Uriatri was city of god.Totally Turkish.
In my next post I will tell the language evidence of Urartu was Turkish.

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aferim

Attila Han wrote:

Tesekkur ederim.
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ArmeNyan wrote:

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I'm sorry, you're hopeless. You've been brainwashed beyond help. You grew up on Ataturk's Invented Glorious Turkish History. Make up your mind, are you Sumerian, Urartian or you originated from Alpine region of Europe as Ataturk's Turkey's official 3-volume history book was teaching? Why you want to be so bad someone you're not? All other turkic nations originated and most stayed in Central Asia but you came from somewhere else? Ok, beleive in whatever you want. You want to be Urartian? That's fine. You want to say you're Armenian? That's fine and even true to big extent as you probably have more Armenian blood than the original Seljuk Turk blood left.Your government was insisting until not too long ago that there was no such nationality as Kurd, they were just Mountainous Turks your government said. They somehow got lost in the mountains and forgot that they were Turks. How can we convince you that genocide happened if we cant even convince you that Earth is not flat. GOD HELP YOU PEOPLE.

Shant wrote:

what fk is this fuckish(turkish) language, ederim
go f000000k yourself
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